eclipse Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 One was from stupid logic, and one was because of accusations of inactivity. Unless this person's a godfather, I'm pretty sure my N1 is clear, so don't go lynching people due to not existing (yet). It may also help if you read my summaries; they're opinionated summaries so you guys have something to go off of once I die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Sho is officially the newest idiot on this Mafia game. Someone shoot him, please. Just felt like digging this up and giggling a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Also Clipsey, SAY THE FUCKING NAME OR GTFO serioisly I have better things than your summaries to read. Like that book I must review I still don't give a fuck, I'm here just for the free nachos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Why should my clear interest you, Sho? Aren't you supposed to be busy being neutral? If someone can give me a good, logical reason why naming someone as town is a good idea, I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 OK. I got nothin'. Uh, if there is a shrink, they need to out immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Im trying to follow the game just a whee bit so yeah I do like knowing who are clear townies. That and I might actually bother to hunt for odin at some point and at that point is nice to know who is clear town and who is not, Canon or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 So the independent wants it for personal research reasons. Yeah. If you have time to whine about that, you can be arsed to read my summaries. I only give alignment, and we're not sure how far Nags went from canon, so I don't see how me outing someone is helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 So the independent wants it for personal research reasons. Yeah. If you have time to whine about that, you can be arsed to read my summaries. I only give alignment, and we're not sure how far Nags went from canon, so I don't see how me outing someone is helpful. I don't see how its harmfull so I though that I might just as well ask. And at the moment, I don't care enough to go read it. I have plenty of that if I start hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (why isn't there a *popcorn* smiley?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Where is everyone? And by everyone, I mean Strawman/Kay/JB. Oh, right, reading back, I forgot to give thoughts on Core, which are pretty pointless now since he's dead, but it was something like "less scummier than he was in FE4 mafia". @13TH At times like this, it makes me wonder why you weren't lynched D1. All right, with no counterclaim for me to have to think about, let me mindlessly follow the Alliance Checker's inspection. Vote: Kaoz (1) hashtags, bro; is this a legit vote or joke one? I counted it as of now - since you apparently find Rein quite scummy. (Although Nags seems quite lenient in regards to the votes...) (2) Why are you voting Kaoz if you think that Rein is the "scummier" of the two? And that Kaoz could possibly be a miller? (3) Why do you find Rein scummy? He did vote for Kaoz - unless this is a ploy to make him seem less scummy? (4) Wait...So you find Rein scummy, and Kaoz scummy / miller? Update your thoughts on everyone, please. (5) Why didn't you consult us before persuading? @KAOZ Copier. I can target someone and under specific circumstances (don't ask me which ones exactly, I have no idea), that role is blocked and I copy it, targeting it's original user. N1 I targeted JB but it failed... target was chosen at random N2 I targeted you because I think you're the Alliance Checker or something along those lines as I pointed out before and I hoped you'd fulfill the conditions so that I could make sure... I didn't get any results from this, so I'm assuming you didn't fulfill the condition Copier; so you're saying you're Town Copier? Okay first off, you agree that your role is unique and original, yes? If not, please point me to a source that has this idea. If yes, please note that of the three dead so far, none of them have original ideas for roles (tracker, mayor, bulletproof) - of course, this isn't great proof, and Nagflar seems like a Bastard moderator, but just throwing out the idea to the public. And supposedly if this is your real role, perhaps you should take more caution in using it - it seems like a very arbitrary, and useless role; how does it benefit town? You tell me. If you targeted a vigilante (which I reaffirm, very likely does not exist in this game), they would kill them selves, yes? It also doesn't seem very town-like, since it blocks the role? So you're essentially a role-blocker, or just a redirector to the original user? Since you are saying that it didn't fulfill these "certain conditions", then you might think that it only works on mafia...? :O Or what? Again, I reiterate, how does your role benefit town / how is it reputable? Lastly, why did you think that Nightmare was the Alliance Checker? You didn't think of the same thing Snike did, did you? ( Source ) That strikes me as unlikely. Now that Nightmare has said he did not softclaim any investigative role, what do you think, now? Oh, and if you haven't character claimed yet - perhaps I missed it - please do so. Oh, and your thoughts on everyone as well. —————————————————————————————————— VOTALS [5] Kaoz: Eclipse, Snike, Sho, Rein, Iris, Sho 13th [Eclipse, Snike, Rein, Iris, 13th] [1] Rein: Kaoz (forced) [Kaoz] [0] Eclipse: Kaoz, Kaoz [None] We definitely still have a good (48+?) hours, so let's use them wisely - everyone else, just talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (why isn't there a *popcorn* smiley?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Sorry everyone. I spent all of today packing for, traveling to, and moving back in to college so I did not have access to my computer or the internet. And of course, as things seem to go around here, a bunch of crazy crap has gone down. First off I would like to give my condolences to Core, may he rest in peace. Definitely a questionable target for a mafia kill imo. It seems like he had a high chance of being the lynch target today so even if he was a safe kill its a bit risky to kill someone you could get rid of through a lynch. Now on this whole Eclipse VS Kaoz situation. Copier. I can target someone and under specific circumstances (don't ask me which ones exactly, I have no idea), that role is blocked and I copy it, targeting it's original user. N1 I targeted JB but it failed... target was chosen at random N2 I targeted you because I think you're the Alliance Checker or something along those lines as I pointed out before and I hoped you'd fulfill the conditions so that I could make sure... I didn't get any results from this, so I'm assuming you didn't fulfill the condition What the hell? So what does it do? You just take someone's ability and use it on that person? What is the benefit of that? Lets see actually. If it works on the doctor you are just making the doctor protect himself, which could be good, instead of who the doctor wants to protect, which could be bad if you have a good doctor. If you target a vig/sk/or mafia doing the kill then you turn the kill back around on the, which is good if you hit the SK or a mafia. You could clear the cop with it as well, but keep the cop from clearing someone else or from finding a mafia. Overall sounds like a pretty iffy role. I still don't quite trust it though. The benefit doesn't always seem to really outweigh the possible harm. I'm guessing Nightmare's ability can work in conjunction to mine, but is not the same as mine (i.e. Name Checker). It would explain the sudden disinterest in Sho, once the latter claimed independent. Yes, I know why you wanted to sub, but you'll need to use better logic than that if you want to play. I guess it's just your bad luck that you're mafia and I decided to inspect you, because I figured that the only way you'd be caught is with my ability. Next time, do try to form a solid opinion on someone, and not just voice who you'd like to see lynched. Why does his reasoning of wanting to be subbed in mean anything? Lastly, why did you think that Nightmare was the Alliance Checker? You didn't think of the same thing Snike did, did you? ( Source ) That strikes me as unlikely. Now that Nightmare has said he did not softclaim any investigative role, what do you think, now? Oh, and if you haven't character claimed yet - perhaps I missed it - please do so. Oh, and your thoughts on everyone as well. I dunno Iris. Kaoz is known for his logic. If there was any hints at all that Nightmare was even maybe an alliance checker, I wouldn't be surprised if Kaoz picked up on them. However, I do agree that is fishy that he only mentioned it after Snike did. Also, for your other question: I claim Alternative. I'll hold off my vote for now, but only because I think it would benefit us the most to learn as much as possible from this day and get as much discussion as we can. At this point though I think we should follow through with Eclipse's investigation results. If shes right we lynch a mafia, if shes wrong we lynch her tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I think I mentioned that most of the reason why Kaoz wanted to sub in was outside of the scope of the game. However, do read his earlier post regarding the possibility of me being some sort of SK/inspect thing. That might help to answer your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Doctor/Hooker, out your night 1 and night 2 protections/hooks, now. I'm pretty sure we got this. Sho, if you've been hit, announce it. Err, do you really want this? Doc reveal is kind of stupid tbh. Copier. I can target someone and under specific circumstances (don't ask me which ones exactly, I have no idea), that role is blocked and I copy it, targeting it's original user. N1 I targeted JB but it failed... target was chosen at random N2 I targeted you because I think you're the Alliance Checker or something along those lines as I pointed out before and I hoped you'd fulfill the conditions so that I could make sure... I didn't get any results from this, so I'm assuming you didn't fulfill the condition I'm interested as to why it would fail on me. Safeguard? Also, I'm at school now, so I'll read more stuff later. Whee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Copier; so you're saying you're Town Copier? Okay first off, you agree that your role is unique and original, yes? If not, please point me to a source that has this idea. If yes, please note that of the three dead so far, none of them have original ideas for roles (tracker, mayor, bulletproof) - of course, this isn't great proof, and Nagflar seems like a Bastard moderator, but just throwing out the idea to the public. I don't know where he got the idea from, possibly my own game (although I used priorities to decide who gets redirected). Whether the roles that were revealed so far are standard or not doesn't mean anything for my role. Actually, BPV/Survivor that has to kill a specific person isn't that standard if you wanna go that way. And supposedly if this is your real role, perhaps you should take more caution in using it - it seems like a very arbitrary, and useless role; how does it benefit town? You tell me. If you targeted a vigilante (which I reaffirm, very likely does not exist in this game), they would kill them selves, yes? It also doesn't seem very town-like, since it blocks the role? So you're essentially a role-blocker, or just a redirector to the original user? Since you are saying that it didn't fulfill these "certain conditions", then you might think that it only works on mafia...? :O Or what? Again, I reiterate, how does your role benefit town / how is it reputable? Both block and redirect. Strawman listed some stuff. Basically I see it as an odd variant of an investigation role that can be used to clear cops, as well as make docs self protect, stuff like that. I guess it can be a bit dangerous, but I figured it'd be good if I found the conditions out for when we actually need it. Lastly, why did you think that Nightmare was the Alliance Checker? You didn't think of the same thing Snike did, did you? ( Source ) That strikes me as unlikely. Now that Nightmare has said he did not softclaim any investigative role, what do you think, now? Naturally it's the same thing. I explained why it couldn't be anything but an Alliance Checker a page or so ago. If he doesn't claim it, I would be interested in how he figured out we should lynch Sho. Oh, and if you haven't character claimed yet - perhaps I missed it - please do so. Oh, and your thoughts on everyone as well. Alternative, I claimed it a few posts ago. Will do when I'm back from uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I didn't softclaim an investigative role because if I had an investigative role, I would be 100% sure that we had to lynch Sho. If you noticed, I did say that my suggestion has huge risks because I'm not entirely sure if the results of my role mean that Sho is scum. Furthermore, I bluffed a bit to see if Sho would out his real role (if he isn't scum), and it seemed to work. I hope that clears things. As for today, I think I'm with Strawman here. I'd like to get as much discussion as possible out of this, and then decide if I want to go with eclipse's supposed results or not. I'm probably just being paranoid, but it would be very dangerous if Kaoz turns out to be town, because I'm imagining an 8/4/2 setup where Kaoz's lynch and a night kill would put us at a severe disadvantage, unless Sho cooperates with town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 The usual (town):(not town) ratio is 2:1. With 14 players, 9/3/2 is a tough setup for the town, because it allows for two mislynches and a kill before mafia and independents joint with the town. 8/4/2 seems downright unfair, as a single mislynch and kill means the mafia and independents could joint, under normal conditions. Rapier's win condition indicated that he needed the main character dead. I'd imagine the main character to be allied with the town, which makes 8/4/2 an even bigger disadvantage for the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Yeah, I'm imagining a worst case scenario so I can be as cautious as possible. Though honestly, in the end it's kind of useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 The problem with crunching those numbers is that 10/2/2 makes life really really shitty for the mafia. Given our numbers now, I would estimate 7/3/1 or 8/2/1, both of which means town's pretty ok. Also I'm curious to see why Snike wants Doctor and Hooker to out already, with results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I didn't softclaim an investigative role because if I had an investigative role, I would be 100% sure that we had to lynch Sho. If you noticed, I did say that my suggestion has huge risks because I'm not entirely sure if the results of my role mean that Sho is scum. Furthermore, I bluffed a bit to see if Sho would out his real role (if he isn't scum), and it seemed to work. Was I wrong with my reads on eclipse then...? I was actually pretty confident that I read her right and that she'd try to get me today because I openly doubted her during the night... In that case, I can only imagine there's a Framer or that I was driven (or I guess Rule 7 in general)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Was I wrong with my reads on eclipse then...? I was actually pretty confident that I read her right and that she'd try to get me today because I openly doubted her during the night... In that case, I can only imagine there's a Framer or that I was driven (or I guess Rule 7 in general)... Err, what? If it's because of Rule 7, I would say it's because you're a miller (ASSUMING you're town). And if that's the case, why didn't you claim earlier? Also, think about it - Mafia Alignment Checker in a 1-mafia game is essentially a useless role, and with the numbers there are, mafia coming up with a fake guilty is unrealistic, considering how it would result in eclipse's lynch on Day 4 and overall be a net loss to the mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 You aren't considering the possibility of Framer or not sane Cop, and are assuming numbers that we cannot proove. As for the faking part, maybe they got vary when I doubted her and thought I'd have some solid way to support it, resulting in them trying to get the first strike. I believe I also promised thoughts: 1. D4V3 (Rein) - no changes from last time 2. JB - no changes 3. eclipse - I still hope you'll reconsider me as lynch target... even though there were no counterclaims, I'll keep my opinion that something feels off about you... 5. Snike - had apparently the same thought process as me regarding Nightmare... on the other hand, he didn't object eclipse's claim iirc and wanted Doc/Roleblocker to out, so... not sure 7. Nightmare - I'll admit, the bluff surprised me a bit... otherwise still solid 8. Kay - still doesn't exist 11. Iris - seems to be getting more active again which is positive 12. Strawman - no changes from last time 13. 13th - I don't like that he wanted to hammer me early and making me vote Rein seems also rather random.. given that Core is gone, he appears to be at the top of my suspicion list as well 14. Sho - fairly confident in his claim being true, although I guess there's reason for doubt depending on how you view it With that being said, I still cannot agree with my lynch (how unexpected, right?)... this may sound arrogant, but I think it's fair to say that I'm one of the better and more active players in this game (I know I wasn't as active the past weekend, but APEX), so lynching me would cause quite a bit of damage on that end, and it'd be a shame if that happened because eclipse's results were manipulated or faked. As such, I hope we can work out a way for me to proove my innocence, maybe another inspection in combination with a watcher or something along those lines... I'm not suggesting that we out everyone's role of course, but possibly work out a number of scenarios of which one is likely to be effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 fuck i keep forgetting there was no Night 0 hrmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 It's mostly because I'm pretty sure there are 'clears' from mafia kills in their reports. But, uh, I guess we can just wait until next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 My flavor doesn't seem to indicate that I'm any sort of weird cop variant, and I'm assuming Nags isn't a bastard (like Psych was). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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