All Might Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 So that's uh... 5 votes for Flaming Hot and 5 votes for Invisible. 1 hour left. @Pasadena- I know that you don't find FH as scummy as Invisible. What I said earlier was from my perspective. As in, I do find FH worse than Invisible atm, so I would prefer keeping my vote on him unless I really have to switch. I see Kibler reading the thread atm, and he's voting for neither of the two, so I guess it depends on who he ends up voting for, as IIRC he didn't find either of the two scummy. derpnix I thought you were taking a break from mafia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Also re false dichotomy: let's be real here our cases against Sen were similar and I acknowledged that your case was slightly more supported so my point still stands in the similarity department Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Votecount 1.8 Flaming Hot (5) - enigma, Space Marine, Bored, Pocket Ace, Invisible Invisible (5) - Moeblobs With Hats, Frank Lucas, Pasadena, Paperclip, Mormegil Bored (2) - Failbaddon, Flaming Hot Mormegil (1) - Brian Kibler Not Voting: Senbonzakura With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have about 1 hour left in the day. Remember, a majority is required to lynch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemu Kurotsuchi Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I think people should look into Mormegil more, since his posts are pretty empty, and I'm not really a huge fan of Frank Lucas either. The details on that are in one of my previous posts. I don't really like Morm's response to my prodding either. If someone doesn't care or is busy, voting them doesn't help and won't make them show up. The only time voting an inactive does something is when they're lurking and only show up to defend themselves, but I don't think that's the case. How should I know if he's lurking or not if most people log in as anonymous? Besides, his post was more recent than Flaming's, so I thought he could see our votes sooner than him and answer or do something about it. Either way, I admit now that my vote on Senbonzakura was terrible and I should've focused more in the active players, such as Invisible. But other than that, is this logic bad or scummy? What is scummy in voting Bleach Guy? Now, I ask you to pick a side already and help us lynch one of Invisible or FH, because they're our only lynch choices at this point. Voting me at this phase will not contribute with anything. Also re false dichotomy: let's be real here our cases against Sen were similar and I acknowledged that your case was slightly more supported so my point still stands in the similarity department The similarity is that we voted on a inactive player. But we can't be judged in the same way, because our cases ARE different. See, Moeblobs complained about you because you pursued Pasa, then voted Senbonzakura and focused on Moeblobs from now on, missing all the other scumhunting. He didn't complain SOLELY about you voting Senbonzakura, which is the only link our cases have that tie them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C. C. Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Okay I don't have much time, but a few things. 1) Moeblobs: I think you're being incredibly opportunistic in voting me because you're letting other people get away with the same shit you're pinging me for and being a complete hypocrite when regarding Sen AND THEN BRUSHING IT OFF LIKE IT'S NOTHING. NOPE THAT'S SHIT AIN'T FLYING WITH ME. Moeblobs With Hats suggests you reread the last response directed towards you. Moeblobs is not being a hypocrite regarding Sen, Moeblobs thinks Sen is scummy, but voting Sen is inherently lazy.2) You don't have to have said something for me to attack for you intent behind post (see where you said stuff about assumptions). I'm figuring the intent behind what you're saying, and screw you if it's what I think I'll stick with it, thanks (because you're obviously going to argue against it).Moeblobs isn't quite sure what you are trying to say here3) You conveniently ignored the major question posed: Why was I worse than Pasa? Yes I know your reasons for both cases, but what makes one worse than the other? Moeblobs does not see where you asked that. Why is it an issue?It's because you aren't scumhunting, your votes are bad, and your defense is bad. Moeblobs thinks you are scum trying to deflect suspicion onto others without putting any real effort into finding scum. Are you saying that I switched from voting Bored to Invisible because of emotions? This is wrong, as I have stated earlier. If you're referring to you calling me waffling, I stated I was not waffling and gave reasons. You said, "you are totally waffling!" And you were misrepping when you said that I dropped him over his apology.Moeblobs thought (as of now, not as of yesterday) you unvoted Invisilble over emotion, and that was the cause of waffling misrep (which Moeblobs guessed is why you said Moeblobs has misrepped you). Moeblobs isn't/wasn't actually sure where the misrep is originating. Moeblobs points to the former post of Moeblobs over concerns with the empty unvote, again.My point wasn't that you were talking about me more, so why aren't you voting me. Although you were voting Invisible, I felt that you weren't pushing a case on him enough. Moeblobs would have liked to know there was a "why me over him" question rather then "why me because you've only been talking about me" a lot earlier. This is your reply to Invisible after he responded to your vote on him. You say that a proper wagon hadn't formed on him until I voted and because of it, you were going to be keeping your eyes on me, never mind that you also joined the same wagon after I voted.Moeblobs kept the many eyes of Moeblobs With Hats on you because your vote was weak, not because of the timing of your vote This is the point where you stopped arguing with Invisible and went after me. The thing is, I'm not convinced by your case on Invisible.Moeblobs went back again to Invisible briefly in this post, Which contains some solid reasons to keep the vote down (in the opinion of Moeblobs) I don't like that after exchanging a few back and forth discussions with him you say you should be looking at me instead and stop arguing. Whether this is your intent or not, I don't feel that your case on Invisible presented here was strong enough compared to your arguments against me. A case might sound strong in your head, where you understand yourself, but you have to make it convincing to other peopleThere would be a lot less headaches if that was concisely stated earlier!Are rather empty. If I'm so tempting for you to vote, then you should just vote me. If you think I'm looking scummier, but still not scummier than Invisible, then why not just say, "if Invisible lynch doesn't go through Pasadena is also fine with me"? This looks overdramatic, but your point is that at that point you still don't want to lynch me over Invisible. Why not just state that I'm still a secondary scum read instead of being all "tempted to vote, but I must preserve"? Why state it at all? You already established I was a secondary scum read you wanted lynched.Moeblobs really contemplated switching to you at that point! Moeblobs thought it was implied that you would be a fallback vote if the Invisible wagon went sour.Again, it's not so much that you were talking about me more. It's because your case on me looked more convincing than your case on Invisible. It felt like you backed off him a lot faster to me at least, whether you meant to do that or not, and that your case on me was more arguable than the one on Invisible.Moeblobs never "backed off" Invisible, Invisible just stopped posting and never addressed my latest post that I had made on him at that point. @Moe: I don't see how I am avoiding the Invisible wagon, when you can find several posts of mine saying I think that the wagon on him is unfair and based on some questionable logic. Let me spell it out: I think he will flip town. He could be playing better but I don't think that there is scum intent in his actions or words. can find several posts of mine saying I think that the wagon on him is unfair and based on some questionable logic. All of those points I quoted (which are in fact EVERYTHING YOU HAVE POSTED ABOUT INVISIBLE) belied the actual reasons Invisible had a wagon on him. Clearly your responses failed to take those into consideration, since you thought for most of the day that people were voting him over an RVS post, according to your posts. Like I said, I think this is an unfair point on someone when a majority of the day's discussion is people wanting to lynch him, what else is he supposed to talk about if not defending himself and looking for scum on his wagon?this post in particular just ignores the fact he isn't scumhunting. He wasn't "trying to find scum on his wagon", he was just questioning my logic the whole way, while putting a vote on Seb, which is the easiest and laziest vote he could have put down, and then going back to defending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 quoting is now a bitch Moeblobs (point 3); yes I understand your reasons, BUT WHY does that make me worse than Pasa? You're dodging the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Might Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Blah, since nobody voting Invisible wants to switch to voting FH: ##Unvote, ##Vote: Invisible I really think this wagon has a lower chance of flipping scum than FH, but I guess it's better than a universal loss or a forced nolynch or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Hey guys. I assume phase end is an hour from now? I'll try my best to read enough to get a read up and spend Night 1 reading and catching up so that I'm ready for Day 2. For now, ##Vote: Invisible because I find his actions early game a little scummy due to the quick moving of votes as well as not responding well to the votes on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Mormegil: Hi we voted Sen because we didn't like his lack of content/unvote, correct? How the fuck is that different? (yes I know you had more but I've already noted that) The voting an inactive is not the only link get over yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Sen: holy heck that is lazy as fuck please Source Your Shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Votecount 1.9 Invisible (7) - Moeblobs With Hats, Frank Lucas, Pasadena, Paperclip, Mormegil, Pocket Ace, Senbonzakura (L-1!) Flaming Hot (4) - enigma, Space Marine, Bored, Invisible Bored (2) - Failbaddon, Flaming Hot Mormegil (1) - Brian Kibler Not Voting: None! With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have about 23 minutes left in the day. Invisible is at L-1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Okay as I'm being lynched: Townreads are pocket/Pasa/bored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Look into Moeblobs/sen/frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Sen: holy heck that is lazy as fuck please Source Your Shit I've been very busy IRL and the activity spike was a little too much for me to catch up. Real life pretty muxh takes precedence over mafia for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Point stands please get on that D2 and people need to push you on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C. C. Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 quoting is now a bitch Moeblobs (point 3); yes I understand your reasons, BUT WHY does that make me worse than Pasa? You're dodging the question. What else do you want Moeblobs to say? Moeblobs likes the reasons I have for voting you better, and Moeblobs sees more scum intent behind your actions then Pas. The reasons to vote you are just BETTER. Invisible is just more scummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 That will be fine with me if people want to get on me for inactivity. I've accomplished part of my RL commitments so I'll have slightly more time for D2 and to respond to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 You know, votes like Senbon's are why I'm pretty sure Invisible is going to flip town. I'm pretty tempted to refuse to hammer just to see what our esteemed host does, but I expect it will also make him rather upset. I'll hammer in 10 minutes or so in case Invis has any last words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Moeblobs: thankyou for finally getting that answer out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Evergarden Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Shit, I saw that we were getting low on time, so I just scrolled past most of the last page and a half. Looks like somebody still needs to switch wagons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 @Brian, it's the most I can do right now to help town avoidUniversal Loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refakitty³ Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Now as for last words: my wagon was 100% shit and reeked of opportunism and I'm 100% sure at least one scum was using my shitplay as an excuse who I think is moeblobs You may hammer I'm done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I know ##Unvote ##Vote: Invisible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I haven't read the thread past the first 5 pages, so I can't really do much persuading other than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 HAMMER SHUT UP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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