[NOC] Volcanic Anonymafia - Game Over

[Prims]

Night 1

Invisible (8) - Moeblobs With Hats, Frank Lucas, Pasadena, Paperclip, Mormegil, Pocket Ace, Senbonzakura, Brian Kibler (LYNCH!)

Flaming Hot (4) - enigma, Space Marine, Bored, Invisible

Bored (2) - Failbaddon, Flaming Hot

Not Voting: None!

As the sun began to set, the villagers found themselves agreeing that something was up with Invisible. "You barely have time to show up? Whatever, like half the game sucks and is too busy to post in Mafia! Why should we give you special treatment?" "Moeblobs With Hats agrees! Moeblobs thinks that Invisible should be lynched immediately!" "Shut the hell up, posting gimmicks make Mafia unfun and I will stop playing forever. Also yeah this guy defended himself once he's probably scum." Having reached an agreement, they surrounded Invisible in the town square and prepared the rope.

Invisible, however, had other ideas and was fearless as ever. "

" Unfortunately for him, the villagers were not appeased by this newfound contradiction, gutting Invisible and sticking his head on a pike in the middle of the village so that it would be visible for all to see. Ironic deaths, man.

Invisible - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 1

"That lynch was bad, like the movie Attack of the Clones." commented an Australian passer-by who was on break from Mafia and just happened to post in the wrong thread.

It is now N1. You have until 6:30 PM on Monday, March 4th (Pacific Standard Time) to send in your actions. Slight extension since 3:30 PM deadlines seem to be around the time a lot of people just get the chance to post, making them inconvenient.

Edited March 9, 2013 by Priam

[Prims]

Day 2

Though the day was new, the results of the first lynch still weighed heavily on the villagers' minds. BBM, who was a terrible member and a huge gay, had already decided to message Prims his thoughts on the Night 1 flavor over IRC. "that was a terrible song, and i think i can honestly say that listening to it has made me worse as a person", he typed ignorantly. Nobody paid attention to him, though, as they were too busy staring in shock at the sight of Space Marine's decapitated body.

It was a mystery how his assailants managed to get the best of him in the face of his rigorously trained combat abilities and walls of text, but there was no doubt that the elite warrior's murderers were scum. Seemingly, the mafia team desired blood for the Blood God, or I guess they could've just been trying to namekill in an anonymafia game.

Space Marine - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 1

Moeblobs, now sporting a new helmet in a case of blatant disrespect for the dead, broke the silence. "Moeblobs Without Hats thinks it was at least kind of the scum to leave the body in public like this, otherwise Moeblobs might've just assumed he was flaking like everybody else!" Failbaddon almost cracked a dumb RP gimmick joke but didn't want to risk Pasadena posting more spoiler tags.

It is now D2. You have until 6:30 PM on Thursday, March 7th (Pacific Standard Time) to decide on a lynch. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

[C. C.]

Moeblobs With Hats is was writing a post before the day begins! Moeblobs has much to say!

Firstly, Moeblobs continues to keep an eye on Sebonzakura, but not a vote. Moeblobs is well aware of the very hasty vote Sebonzakura has made prior to the D1 deadline, and general incompetence, but Moeblobs will withhold judgement until Sebonzakura makes a post, now that Sebonzakura has had all night to read the thread!

Moeblobs With Hats has been looking at many players throughout the night!

Moeblobs is suspicious of Failbladdon! Moeblobs notes that Failbladdon held his vote on Bored through till the end of D1, and although he was not present Late D1 to update it, Moeblobs does not like the reasons for his continued park here, which don't site any decent reason why Bored is actually scummy. Moeblobs will, like how Moeblobs stands on Sebonzakura, eagerly await an updated post now that Fail has had a chance to catch up!

Moeblobs has exactly the same things to say about Flaming Hot as well!

...Actually, Moeblobs notes the entire wagon on Flaming Hot was based on a single post just out of RVS! Moeblobs is extremely dissapointed a wagon on him made it so far through D1!

Which brings the attention of Moeblobs to Bored! Moeblobs notes your vote on Flaming Hot, which was kept in position for the duration of the phase, but unlike the three people above, Bored actually did get a few posts in while the phase trudged on, and was quite tight-lipped about the main wagon. In fact, all of Bored's posts are attacking players who voted him, who in the late day were, as Bored said himself, players who rarely posted.

Bored is this Morning's Secondary Scumread of Moeblobs!

Finally that leads Moeblobs to Pasadena. Moeblobs has had a lot of interactions with Pasadena, and the end of D1 was discussing a lot of misunderstandings between Moeblobs and Pasadena, but Moeblobs still feels going into D2 that Pasadena is scummy.

Moeblobs is most concerned with Pasadena's vote. Moeblobs thinks it was never quite that strong to begin with, and Pasadena consistently did very little with it throughout the day, opting instead to post about other players. When Pasadena came back to deadline, the vote essentially became another vote on the bandwagon to get a flip. Pasadena never actually adds anything new to why Invisible is scummy, which Moeblobs notes is not true for many of the other non-deadline votes on the Invisible wagon.

Moeblobs With Hats thinks this shows the most scum intent out of all of Moeblobs's scumreads from reading D1.

Therefore: ##Vote: Pasadena

[Shiki Ryougi]

##Vote: Failbaddon

Despite all the going ons in this thread from the previous phase, all he did was show up occasionally and say that despite everything else he felt that Bored was the most deserving of a vote. In fact, I don't believe that he ever really commented on anything not related to Bored. Considering how much non-Bored discussion happened, I'm not happy with this.

Second of all, Moeblobs, I know you are RPing but could you please stop speaking in third person? It is incredibly difficult for me to understand what you are saying, which may have been the source of misunderstandings in the first place, and it makes me incredibly tempted to just ignore everything you say, which is not beneficial to my win-con.

Also, I feel that you are guilty of some of the same things you are accusing me of. Everything I said to you before phase end on D1 still stands. I feel that your case on Invisible wasn't presented very strongly. I feel that you yourself spent more time building a case on me rather than strengthening your case on Invisible. If you think my vote on Invisible was weak and I spent more time posting about other players, then you're guilty of building a stronger case on me despite never changing your vote from Invisible after it got there.

And why should I not talk about other players even if I'm voting someone else? If I'm constantly posting only about the person I'm voting, then I'm going to develop tunnel vision, which isn't particularly helpful. I could have continued to build my case on Invisible, but I didn't see anything that stood out to me that I felt hadn't been addressed that had to be. My reasons for thinking Invisible was scum near the end of D1 were actually the same as my original thoughts had been, so I felt no need to add anything new to it. (Also, you yourself admitted that no one else did the same, so this is hardly unique to me.)

Finally, if you want to know the truth ... near the final thirty minutes or so, when Invisible was getting his last reads out, I was starting to have doubts. But I've seen this community second guess themselves from a scum lynch so many times. Flaming Hot was the only other viable wagon at the time. I committed to the Invisible lynch, hoping that it would flip scum, and it didn't.

[All Might]

##Vote: Failbaddon

Let's take this post by post, disregarding some of the ones which are pre-Bored RVS or just filler.

Post 1: He votes for Bored for not RVS voting. A fair enough vote for that stage. Okay.

Post 2: He says he doesn't really see a need to change away from Bored because all Bored did was "flip out and spawn walls". IMO, this is bad for several reasons. First off, it's false. Bored spawned walls, certainly, but there was never a point where he got angry or even overreacted. Some of his analysis was certainly flawed, but saying he flipped out is wrong. Next, even if he had flipped out, that's not really a scummy thing in and of itself. Townies overreact just as much as scum do, and saying "he overreacted" without giving any evidence of places where this has happened or why it's scummy is a nowi nono. He's busy at this point, but at no point when he comes back does he give evidence of this. Finally, walls of text aren't scummy at all, and lolmetainananongame but if you're who I think you are, you of all people should know that.

Post 3: Now, he lists reasons for voting Bored. The first one he gives is that Bored invoked the "if I were scum" argument. I agree with you that this is a bad argument with bad logic behind it- but why is it scummy? Next, he says that Bored's walls are bad because there's very little content in them. This is true to a certain extent because a lot of Bored's posts are just defence. There are a few where he does scumhunt though. The next point is that Bored is rude. Well, yeah, he was a bit condescending in some of his posts. That's not a scummy thing either though. Then Fail looks at Bored's SM vote. Bored's SM vote was weak, yeah, but IMO Fail misrepresents it. Bored voted SM for starting the wagon on him, which is a cruddy reason, but not the reason you listed, that SM might switch his vote in the future. That was an aside that Bored had at the end. His Bored case ends here by saying that Bored asks too many questions. But most of the questions Bored asks are rhetorical questions that he answers himself right afterwards. Saying that rhetorical questions might distract a reader is kind of dumb, because you're getting on him for how he posts things instead of what he posts.

The remainder of this post devotes itself to talking about Invisible vs Pasadena. He says he finds both of them bad just because they're using the IIWS argument, but I already explained above that it doesn't really make you scum. Then he chooses between which of the two he finds scummier based on their tone. Tone in the context of politeness has nothing to do with scum, and I heavily dislike the fact that this is the only thing you have to make the distinction between the two. There's also a little bit asking someone (Senbon, I think?) to post more.

Post 4: I'm not even sure what you mean here by padding posts by not using quote tags. Beyond that you don't justify keeping your vote there anymore.

tl dr/reader's digest version; All Fail did on D1 was tunnel on Bored for bad reasons, and he had very little to nonexistent material on anyone else.

[C. C.]

Second of all, Moeblobs, I know you are RPing but could you please stop speaking in third person? It is incredibly difficult for me to understand what you are saying, which may have been the source of misunderstandings in the first place, and it makes me incredibly tempted to just ignore everything you say, which is not beneficial to my win-con.

no

Moeblobs does not believe our misunderstandings have had anything to do with the syntax of Moeblobs.

Also, I feel that you are guilty of some of the same things you are accusing me of. Everything I said to you before phase end on D1 still stands. I feel that your case on Invisible wasn't presented very strongly. I feel that you yourself spent more time building a case on me rather than strengthening your case on Invisible. If you think my vote on Invisible was weak and I spent more time posting about other players, then you're guilty of building a stronger case on me despite never changing your vote from Invisible after it got there.

Moeblobs With Hats disagrees! Moeblobs made textblobs about Invisible when Invisible posted! Moeblobs constantly followed up on Invisible while Invisible was present! Pasadena did not make ANY responses or jabs to Invisible after Pasadena's vote!

And why should I not talk about other players even if I'm voting someone else? If I'm constantly posting only about the person I'm voting, then I'm going to develop tunnel vision, which isn't particularly helpful. I could have continued to build my case on Invisible, but I didn't see anything that stood out to me that I felt hadn't been addressed that had to be. My reasons for thinking Invisible was scum near the end of D1 were actually the same as my original thoughts had been, so I felt no need to add anything new to it. (Also, you yourself admitted that no one else did the same, so this is hardly unique to me.)

Moeblobs offers the reasoning you do both responding to the player you are voting on WHILE ALSO making textblobs about other players in the game. Moeblobs is annoyed you are taking this matter in a black or white view. Moeblobs sees other non-deadline hats on the hatrack that bring new reasons to throw a hat at Invisible, but you hold your vote on Invisible without anything new.

Finally, if you want to know the truth ... near the final thirty minutes or so, when Invisible was getting his last reads out, I was starting to have doubts. But I've seen this community second guess themselves from a scum lynch so many times. Flaming Hot was the only other viable wagon at the time. I committed to the Invisible lynch, hoping that it would flip scum, and it didn't.

Moeblobs sees textblobs from you moe then three hours before deadline! Plenty of time to make a nice big case on a new lynch choice or at least affirm your reasoning on why Invisible is scum! Moeblobs thinks that your apathy towards where your hat is thrown is unacceptable!

[Shiki Ryougi]

Moeblobs does not believe our misunderstandings have had anything to do with the syntax of Moeblobs.

I completely disagree. When I have to take twice as long trying to comprehend your posts over everyone else's, something is wrong.

Moeblobs With Hats disagrees! Moeblobs made textblobs about Invisible when Invisible posted! Moeblobs constantly followed up on Invisible while Invisible was present! Pasadena did not make ANY responses or jabs to Invisible after Pasadena's vote!

Nothing you said about Invisible particularly stood out to me at least. Not until Invisible attacked you and you attacked him back. "Textblobs" ornot, I feel that your case lacked presence until the very end. Also, if I didn't make any responses to Invisible, it's because I had nothing particularly new to add. What should I have done, repeat, "I still think Invisible is scummy for [reasons I have already repeated]" over and over again until phase end?

Moeblobs offers the reasoning you do both responding to the player you are voting on WHILE ALSO making textblobs about other players in the game. Moeblobs is annoyed you are taking this matter in a black or white view. Moeblobs sees other non-deadline hats on the hatrack that bring new reasons to throw a hat at Invisible, but you hold your vote on Invisible without anything new.

I am annoyed that you are so caught up on me in the respect that everything must be "my way or you're scum". You are also taking this in a black and white manner. Just because you don't think that this is how I should have done things, doesn't mean that I'm scum for doing it. What can I say? I don't play like you.

Moeblobs sees textblobs from you moe then three hours before deadline! Plenty of time to make a nice big case on a new lynch choice or at least affirm your reasoning on why Invisible is scum! Moeblobs thinks that your apathy towards where your hat is thrown is unacceptable!

I didn't have suspicions until perhaps the last half hour or so. It wasn't until then that I started wondering "what if he isn't scum". Maybe I could have built a case in thirty minutes and posted it before hammer, but by the time I was suspecting otherwise I don't think we could have switched wagons even if we wanted to. Especially when no one else I wanted lynch was a viable lynch candidate.

[C. C.]

I completely disagree. When I have to take twice as long trying to comprehend your posts over everyone else's, something is wrong.

How can it be so difficult to translate the word "Moeblobs" to "I"? Moelobs thinks you should suck it up and deal with it.

Nothing you said about Invisible particularly stood out to me at least. Not until Invisible attacked you and you attacked him back. "Textblobs" ornot, I feel that your case lacked presence until the very end. Also, if I didn't make any responses to Invisible, it's because I had nothing particularly new to add. What should I have done, repeat, "I still think Invisible is scummy for [reasons I have already repeated]" over and over again until phase end?

^{[citation needed]} If Moeblob's case was so weak, why was Invisible lynched?

I am annoyed that you are so caught up on me in the respect that everything must be "my way or you're scum". You are also taking this in a black and white manner. Just because you don't think that this is how I should have done things, doesn't mean that I'm scum for doing it. What can I say? I don't play like you.

Moeblobs does not think that justifies parking a vote for most of D1 and then suddenly panicking at phase end when you realize your vote is bad

I didn't have suspicions until perhaps the last half hour or so. It wasn't until then that I started wondering "what if he isn't scum". Maybe I could have built a case in thirty minutes and posted it before hammer, but by the time I was suspecting otherwise I don't think we could have switched wagons even if we wanted to. Especially when no one else I wanted lynch was a viable lynch candidate.

The repetition of Moeblobs: Perhaps if Pasadena had actually followed up on Invisible throughout D1, Pasadena would have realized sooner then "thirty minutes before Invisible gets lynched" that his vote was bad?

[Shiki Ryougi]

How can it be so difficult to translate the word "Moeblobs" to "I"? Moelobs thinks you should suck it up and deal with it.

I will drop this issue until postgame, but be aware that I am prepared to tear you a new one. And this is not merely because of your RP.

^{[citation needed]} If Moeblob's case was so weak, why was Invisible lynched?

Your case alone wasn't the only thing that got him lynched.

Moeblobs does not think that justifies parking a vote for most of D1 and then suddenly panicking at phase end when you realize your vote is bad

You parked your vote on the same wagon just as long as I did. I don't know whether you had second thoughts or not, but this sounds funny when you also vote parked on Invisible for most of D1.

The repetition of Moeblobs: Perhaps if Pasadena had actually followed up on Invisible throughout D1, Pasadena would have realized sooner then "thirty minutes before Invisible gets lynched" that his vote was bad?

Do you ever read. It wasn't UNTIL the last half an hour or so that I started to have doubts. I started to have doubts THEN, as opposed to BEFORE, because before that approximately thirty minutes before phase end happened I still felt that he was the scummiest.

[C. C.]

Your case alone wasn't the only thing that got him lynched.

What else got him lynched? The four deadline votes? Frank (an inactive)? Moremegil (who made only a few posts about Invisible)? YOU (who voted Invisible D2 and never mentioned why he's a good vote choice again)? Moeblobs laughs that any other player could have had a stronger case then Moeblobs With Hats.

Moeblobs does not see any evidence how the case on Invisible, by Moeblobs, was weak or lazy.

You parked your vote on the same wagon just as long as I did. I don't know whether you had second thoughts or not, but this sounds funny when you also vote parked on Invisible for most of D1.

Moeblobs does not think you understand what "park" means. Moeblobs constantly posted about Invisible and why he was scummy, when Invisible was actually posting. Moeblobs With Hats hunted down scum, stared it down with the many adorable eyes of Moeblobs, and then it died.

Pasadena voted for Invisible, never mentioned it again, then panicked in Deadline when Pasadena had no scumreads.

Who has the stronger vote?

Do you ever read. It wasn't UNTIL the last half an hour or so that I started to have doubts. I started to have doubts THEN, as opposed to BEFORE, because before that approximately thirty minutes before phase end happened I still felt that he was the scummiest.

So what happened to that read before the Point Of No Return? You never did anything about the vote until it was far too late to change it. Pasadena is lazy.

##Moestare (With Hats): Pasadena

[Shiki Ryougi]

What else got him lynched? The four deadline votes? Frank (an inactive)? Moremegil (who made only a few posts about Invisible)? YOU (who voted Invisible D2 and never mentioned why he's a good vote choice again)? Moeblobs laughs that any other player could have had a stronger case then Moeblobs With Hats.

Moeblobs does not see any evidence how the case on Invisible, by Moeblobs, was weak or lazy.

Stop being so arrogant. As "strong" as your case may have been, one vote alone will not drive a lynch. Eight votes on D1 to hammer a lynch. Four deadline votes. Frank, Mormegil, and me. That's seven votes right there. Unless it was your case and your case alone that made everyone else vote for Invisible, you did NOT get him lynched alone.

As for whether your case was strong or not, I already stated that I felt your case lacked presence until the end. I won't answer for anyone else. You yourself are probably biased because it's your vote and your case.

Moeblobs does not think you understand what "park" means. Moeblobs constantly posted about Invisible and why he was scummy, when Invisible was actually posting. Moeblobs With Hats hunted down scum, stared it down with the many adorable eyes of Moeblobs, and then it died.

Pasadena voted for Invisible, never mentioned it again, then panicked in Deadline when Pasadena had no scumreads.

Who has the stronger vote?

You're misrepping me if you think I never mentioned Invisible after I voted him. Did I not argue with him after he fought back against his vote on me? Did I not restate my reasons for still thinking that he is scummy after I calmed down and came back? How is this "never mentioning Invisible" again?

Also, when did I say that I had no scum reads? I CLEARLY said that I had alternative lynch options who were most definitely NOT going to get lynched because neither had a vote on them. Again, you are misrepping me.

So what happened to that read before the Point Of No Return? You never did anything about the vote until it was far too late to change it. Pasadena is lazy.

You are twisting my words again. How many times do I have to repeat it -- the way he behaved at the very end is what made me have second thoughts. I "never did anything about the vote" until it was "too late to change it" because I believed that Invisible was highly likely to flip scum. Also, what if I did change my vote the moment I began to have thoughts? Should I have risked a universal loss?

##Moestare (With Hats): Pasadena

You can't vote me twice, and therefore this is pointless.

Moeblobs, I was leaning town on you after Invisible's flip. But you are misrepping me. You are outright lying about me. You can't agree with what I have done so you are saying I must be scum. You're being deaf to everyone else other than yourself. Your arrogance isn't helping. Town doesn't need to act like this.

[Rain Nijika]

Moeblobs does not think you understand what "park" means. Moeblobs constantly posted about Invisible and why he was scummy, when Invisible was actually posting. Moeblobs With Hats hunted down scum, stared it down with the many adorable eyes of Moeblobs, and then it died.

Ah, your deduction here that your vote on Invisible was better than Pasadena's would be a strong point if it wasn't for the fact that your so called "scum" here was in fact not at all scum. The fact that Pasadena started to doubt the Invisible wagon was in fact some valid observation on his part that the wagon was completely opportunistic and seemed fishy. There was a reason I did not vote for Invisible and it is largely due to the wagon on him towards the end.

I am not sure why you are so proud of your lynch when all of your conclusions were wrong. If you are going to use your strong case on someone as a reason as to why you are not scum, perhaps it would be better if they were in fact scum. I see nothing in what you have said that has shown any indication that you have realized you were wrong. Even now, you use your case on Invisible as if it is something you should be proud of. In fact it is not. Do not be proud of your wrong deductions. All they have done is caused us to be behind.

In addition, I would greatly appreciate it as well if you would drop your third person. It is quite distracting and serves simply to confuse the tone of your posts.

Now, moving on to my vote,

##Vote: Flaming Hot

@Mod: Is Flaming still afk with reason?

I am keeping this here until I have heard from Flaming or I have confirmation from that mod that Flaming is afk with valid reasoning. Or I suppose I could switch it if my observations turn up clues that point towards someone else.

[Prims]

As far as I'm aware, Flaming Hot was afk until shortly after deadline yesterday.

[Rain Nijika]

Very well then. Until I see a useful content post from Flaming, I will be keeping my vote there while building up my case files on other people. Other people I'd enjoy hearing more content from includes Fail.

[Aizen]

Working off the Space Marine NK, I have reason to believe that he was on to something. Taking a look at his reads, he found Mormegil, Flaming Hot, and Failbaddon scummy. I stated what I didn't like about FH earlier, but he hasn't really responded since forever ago so I'll hold off on him for now, and I don't know much about the Fail case except for what I read about from these last couple posts before me. Gonna talk about Mormegil in a sec.

Also trying to look into Moeblobs and his interactions a bit more. His interactions with Pasadena could just be intown fighting, but the fact that his interactions with Brian are leaning the same way, I'm starting to wonder if he's actually scum or just a little irritated town. Need to read into this better.

Also not liking Mormegil anyway because of his pretty bad Invisible vote (really, you don't think that Invisible defended himself?), he jumped around his votes a lot as well (including a weird prod vote on Senbonzakura AFTER he had already attacked other players, so it came out of nowhere basically). He attacked Bored for a while but never voted him...why? His scumhunting is mostly just little comments, and when he starts to make a little bit of a point on someone he doesn't push it and kinda backs away. Looks oddly hesitant. Hence, for now, I'll place my vote here.

##Vote Mormegil

Back to the streets I go, selling that Blue Magic.

[C. C.]

Stop being so arrogant. As "strong" as your case may have been, one vote alone will not drive a lynch. Eight votes on D1 to hammer a lynch. Four deadline votes. Frank, Mormegil, and me. That's seven votes right there. Unless it was your case and your case alone that made everyone else vote for Invisible, you did NOT get him lynched alone.

Pasadena can't say Moeblobs's case was weaker then any other vote on the wagon! And Invisible was the main lynch, which means it was the strongest wagon! Moeblobs is the strongest!

As for whether your case was strong or not, I already stated that I felt your case lacked presence until the end. I won't answer for anyone else. You yourself are probably biased because it's your vote and your case.

Of course it didn't build a ton of steam until the end, Moeblobs only has a limited amount of information go by as D1 goes on, Moeblobs would generally expect the case of Moeblobs was stronger Late D1. Your point is invalid, unless you can prove the case of Moeblobs was weak overall!

You're misrepping me if you think I never mentioned Invisible after I voted him. Did I not argue with him after he fought back against his vote on me? Did I not restate my reasons for still thinking that he is scummy after I calmed down and came back? How is this "never mentioning Invisible" again?

That's where you're wrong! You don't mention Invisible once except indirectly! At no point do you address Invisible directly with a reason to lynch him past your most recent vote on him, past "he'll give out better reads the competing wagon" which is no reason at all! Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong!

Also, when did I say that I had no scum reads? I CLEARLY said that I had alternative lynch options who were most definitely NOT going to get lynched because neither had a vote on them. Again, you are misrepping me.

Yet you never switched? Why? There was still time to make a case when you posted said reads (three hours left). Why didn't you switch from Invisible to actual scumreads you made?

You are twisting my words again. How many times do I have to repeat it -- the way he behaved at the very end is what made me have second thoughts. I "never did anything about the vote" until it was "too late to change it" because I believed that Invisible was highly likely to flip scum. Also, what if I did change my vote the moment I began to have thoughts? Should I have risked a universal loss?

You can post in hindsight all you want but that still doesn't change the fact your vote had no solid reasoning past the original vote! Taking your vote off Invisible with three hours left forces town to reconsider where they want to place their votes! Leaving the vote where it was only ensured the lynch of Invisible at the end!

You can't vote me twice, and therefore this is pointless.

Moeblobs asserts a double vote means Pasadena is doubly scum!

Moeblobs, I was leaning town on you after Invisible's flip. But you are misrepping me. You are outright lying about me. You can't agree with what I have done so you are saying I must be scum. You're being deaf to everyone else other than yourself. Your arrogance isn't helping. Town doesn't need to act like this.

Moeblobs understands Pasadena might change their read on a player voting for them, but that doesn't make your D1 play any better or Moeblobs any worse.

Ah, your deduction here that your vote on Invisible was better than Pasadena's would be a strong point if it wasn't for the fact that your so called "scum" here was in fact not at all scum. The fact that Pasadena started to doubt the Invisible wagon was in fact some valid observation on his part that the wagon was completely opportunistic and seemed fishy. There was a reason I did not vote for Invisible and it is largely due to the wagon on him towards the end.

I am not sure why you are so proud of your lynch when all of your conclusions were wrong. If you are going to use your strong case on someone as a reason as to why you are not scum, perhaps it would be better if they were in fact scum. I see nothing in what you have said that has shown any indication that you have realized you were wrong. Even now, you use your case on Invisible as if it is something you should be proud of. In fact it is not. Do not be proud of your wrong deductions. All they have done is caused us to be behind.

This is where Moeblobs makes a clever statement:

Moeblobs does not differentiate between scum and townies who post like scum. They both get lynched all the same!

Moeblobs can only use the flip to find scum who voted for opportunity, or avoided the wagon to hide from the gazing eyes of Moeblobs. And like Invisible, both will get lynched all the same!

[Kamina]

Meh, I'm just gonna copy the notes I wrote down during the night phase. Sorry for not posting before that, I overestimated the phase length.

Brian Kibler keeps saying things that are basically "if there's anything significant let me know because I'm not reading carefully", along with a lot of little comments that look helpful but don't mean much. Top scumread ATM.

Gut scumread on Moeblobs, but requires more analysis to make sure it's not just annoyance at his third-person posting and silliness.

How am I not scumhunting, Ace?

"I don't have a real defense, so give me something I can argue with"

Just a heads up that I'm going to be busy for the next 6 hours, after which I can really play. I don't feel like I need to change my vote yet from what I've read, given that Bored sort of flipped out and spawned walls and walls of words. Though I'm not done reading the topic, soooo....

Ridiculous oversimplification.

Fail is the only Bored vote that looks bad, because the other two were at the same time, so both players would have just been reacting to what they thought was a bad post, not jumping on a wagon. Surprise surprise, acting scummy gets reactions.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Pasadena can't say Moeblobs's case was weaker then any other vote on the wagon! And Invisible was the main lynch, which means it was the strongest wagon! Moeblobs is the strongest!

What is the point of this line of reasoning? The question isn't whether your vote was strong or not. You are saying that you got Invisible lynched. You singlehandedly. You are throwing this around like it's supposed to give you town credit or clear you. I am saying that unless most of the people who voted Invisible did so only because your case was so spectacularly wonderful, you did NOT get Invisible lynched by singlehandedly. It doesn't matter to me whether your vote is the strongest or not (which I don't think it was).

Of course it didn't build a ton of steam until the end, Moeblobs only has a limited amount of information go by as D1 goes on, Moeblobs would generally expect the case of Moeblobs was stronger Late D1. Your point is invalid, unless you can prove the case of Moeblobs was weak overall!

Again, WHY DOES IT MATTER WHO HAD THE STRONGEST CASE ON HIM.

That's where you're wrong! You don't mention Invisible once except indirectly! At no point do you address Invisible directly with a reason to lynch him past your most recent vote on him, past "he'll give out better reads the competing wagon" which is no reason at all!

So what of it? If you've been paying attention, I didn't feel that there was anything "new" past the case I had already given out so I didn't feel the need to restate it. As for "giving out better reads than the competing wagon", it's a lousy reason no doubt about it. But at the time I was writing that post I was still thinking at that point that Invisible would flip scum and I had a NULL read on Flaming Hot. "Better reads" was not my only reason, and don't go around saying that it is "no reason at all"! People lynch in D1 even when they're not sold on a scumspect because of the associative reads it can give. I am hardly the only person who feels this way.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong!

Shut up child.

Yet you never switched? Why? There was still time to make a case when you posted said reads (three hours left). Why didn't you switch from Invisible to actual scumreads you made?

How many times do I have to say this -- THREE HOURS BEFORE PHASE ENDED I STILL THOUGHT INVISIBLE WOULD FLIP SCUM. Can you not tell the difference between three hours and thirty minutes?! As for three hours before the end of D1, Invisible WAS my main scum read!

You can post in hindsight all you want but that still doesn't change the fact your vote had no solid reasoning past the original vote! Taking your vote off Invisible with three hours left forces town to reconsider where they want to place their votes! Leaving the vote where it was only ensured the lynch of Invisible at the end!

See above, for fucking sake.

Moeblobs asserts a double vote means Pasadena is doubly scum!

Sorry, but "doubly scum" doesn't mean you take out two scums by lynching one person. Stop with the empty show.

Moeblobs understands Pasadena might change their read on a player voting for them, but that doesn't make your D1 play any better or Moeblobs any worse.

In my opinion, your D1 play wasn't spectacular and mine was hardly as terrible as you're making it out to be. Then again, bias. Stop trying to judge your own play and compare it to your opposition. Of course you're going to be biased. Let the other players make up their minds.

[C. C.]

What is the point of this line of reasoning? The question isn't whether your vote was strong or not. You are saying that you got Invisible lynched. You singlehandedly. You are throwing this around like it's supposed to give you town credit or clear you. I am saying that unless most of the people who voted Invisible did so only because your case was so spectacularly wonderful, you did NOT get Invisible lynched by singlehandedly. It doesn't matter to me whether your vote is the strongest or not (which I don't think it was).

Again, WHY DOES IT MATTER WHO HAD THE STRONGEST CASE ON HIM.

Moeblobs is attacking your "defense" that Moeblobs is a hypocrite and had a weak vote! Moeblobs must prove neither are the case!

So what of it? If you've been paying attention, I didn't feel that there was anything "new" past the case I had already given out so I didn't feel the need to restate it. As for "giving out better reads than the competing wagon", it's a lousy reason no doubt about it. But at the time I was writing that post I was still thinking at that point that Invisible would flip scum and I had a NULL read on Flaming Hot. "Better reads" was not my only reason, and don't go around saying that it is "no reason at all"! People lynch in D1 even when they're not sold on a scumspect because of the associative reads it can give. I am hardly the only person who feels this way.

Moeblobs asserts this quote examplifies why your D1 play was lazy, not scumhunting, and deserving of a lynch! Moeblobs did not see you talking about Invisible, therefore your vote ended up being a lazy votepark until the end of D1. Moeblobs thinks you could have made an alternative to Flaming Hot or Invisible if you had put your mind and vote to it, but you chose to ignore both, ignore Invisible, and wait till deadline to "panic" your vote was actually on town. Scum tactics! Scum tactics everywhere!

How many times do I have to say this -- THREE HOURS BEFORE PHASE ENDED I STILL THOUGHT INVISIBLE WOULD FLIP SCUM. Can you not tell the difference between three hours and thirty minutes?! As for three hours before the end of D1, Invisible WAS my main scum read!

MOEBLOBS ASKS "WHY?"!

Sorry, but "doubly scum" doesn't mean you take out two scums by lynching one person. Stop with the empty show.

Moeblobs is highly aware this is a game, and is treating it as such! Nyeh!

In my opinion, your D1 play wasn't spectacular and mine was hardly as terrible as you're making it out to be.

Again, Moeblobs asks "WHY?"! Empty words from an empty player! Moeblobs thinks you can make broad statements all you want, but it won't make your case any better!

[Shiki Ryougi]

Moeblobs is attacking your "defense" that Moeblobs is a hypocrite and had a weak vote! Moeblobs must prove neither are the case!

... What defense. I could understand such a reaction if I were trying to get you lynched ... but I'm not trying to (yet, at least). Look, you can say all you want, but it's going to take nothing short of a miracle to get me to change my mind about your vote. I still think it lacked presence. Either way, is this line of argument even getting us anywhere? If you want, convince the other players that your vote on Invisible was strong or whatever.

Moeblobs asserts this quote examplifies why your D1 play was lazy, not scumhunting, and deserving of a lynch! Moeblobs did not see you talking about Invisible, therefore your vote ended up being a lazy votepark until the end of D1. Moeblobs thinks you could have made an alternative to Flaming Hot or Invisible if you had put your mind and vote to it, but you chose to ignore both, ignore Invisible, and wait till deadline to "panic" your vote was actually on town. Scum tactics! Scum tactics everywhere!

Oh, that's rich, I wasn't scum hunting at all on D1? I wish I lived in your delusional fantasy where everything is as I see it. Seriously, how the fuck can you say that my D1 play was lazy and devoid of scum hunting unless you're outright lying to my face? And I do wish you would stop throwing around words you don't even know. If you really think I could have made an alternative to Flaming Hot or Invisible, then good for you. But once again, you can't read my mind, my motives, or my thought processes. It wasn't until near the end of phase that I started doubting, and not a minute before. If you don't want to believe it, that's your problem.

You were also on the wagon. You have your own reasons and motives for being on the wagon, but I can't read your thoughts and neither can any of the other players. So if you're going to make assumptions about me, then I'll gladly return the favor.

MOEBLOBS ASKS "WHY?"!

BECAUSE HE HAD DONE NOTHING TO CHANGE MY MIND! Again, why is this so hard for your mind to grasp? Invisible's actions before he was lynched reminded me of JB's play in Pokemon Adventures mafia before his lynch, where he gave his last reads and thoughts as we approached deadline and he flipped town. Before that point, Invisible hadn't said or done anything to change my mind.

Moeblobs is highly aware this is a game, and is treating it as such! Nyeh!

What are you, twelve.

Again, Moeblobs asks "WHY?"! Empty words from an empty player! Moeblobs thinks you can make broad statements all you want, but it won't make your case any better!

Why don't you tell me why your play is so much better than mine? Why don't you let the other players decide instead of trying to compare your own play to mine? Also, ooh a personal attack on me. Because this so town. Not.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Also, I was going to wait until post game to say this, but my patience is at its end and I am not going to last the entire game without saying this.

Moeblobs, I am saying this not as Pasadena but as the person behind Pasadena -- the real me. I've had it. I've had it with you needing to personally attack me to make your case. Mafia may be a game, but I feel that you're being a right dick right now and it's making it hard for me to enjoy the game. I don't care if you flip scum or town in the end. If we ever were friends, then from now on we are friends no longer.

[Prims]

- Have good integrity. This includes not being a dick.

Reminder for both Pasadena and Moeblobs because it's possible to debate while following this rule and I will modkill if this escalates.

Edited March 5, 2013 by Priam

[C. C.]

... What defense. I could understand such a reaction if I were trying to get you lynched ... but I'm not trying to (yet, at least). Look, you can say all you want, but it's going to take nothing short of a miracle to get me to change my mind about your vote. I still think it lacked presence. Either way, is this line of argument even getting us anywhere? If you want, convince the other players that your vote on Invisible was strong or whatever.

Also, I feel that you are guilty of some of the same things you are accusing me of. Everything I said to you before phase end on D1 still stands. I feel that your case on Invisible wasn't presented very strongly. I feel that you yourself spent more time building a case on me rather than strengthening your case on Invisible. If you think my vote on Invisible was weak and I spent more time posting about other players, then you're guilty of building a stronger case on me despite never changing your vote from Invisible after it got there.

This "defense" is why Moeblobs must prove that the D1 play of Moeblobs is not hypocritical, and not lazy like your vote.

Oh, that's rich, I wasn't scum hunting at all on D1? I wish I lived in your delusional fantasy where everything is as I see it. Seriously, how the fuck can you say that my D1 play was lazy and devoid of scum hunting unless you're outright lying to my face? And I do wish you would stop throwing around words you don't even know. If you really think I could have made an alternative to Flaming Hot or Invisible, then good for you. But once again, you can't read my mind, my motives, or my thought processes. It wasn't until near the end of phase that I started doubting, and not a minute before. If you don't want to believe it, that's your problem.

There was no clear progress towards pushing a lynch, or finding a better one! Pasadena sat on his vote all day and did nothing with it!

You were also on the wagon. You have your own reasons and motives for being on the wagon, but I can't read your thoughts and neither can any of the other players. So if you're going to make assumptions about me, then I'll gladly return the favor.

Wrong again! Moeblobs clearly stated throughout the day, in the responses of Moeblobs to Invisible, why Moeblobs thought Invisible was scum! Players should have been able to read the intentions and reasoning of Moeblobs With Hats perfectly!

BECAUSE HE HAD DONE NOTHING TO CHANGE MY MIND! Again, why is this so hard for your mind to grasp? Invisible's actions before he was lynched reminded me of JB's play in Pokemon Adventures mafia before his lynch, where he gave his last reads and thoughts as we approached deadline and he flipped town. Before that point, Invisible hadn't said or done anything to change my mind.

That would have been great to know!

...when it actually mattered!

Why didn't you say any of that during D1 after your vote? Why didn't you respond to Invisible's posts like other players had? Why didn't you quote him, or give reasoning, or state why he could have been scum? From the point of view of Moeblobs, all your reasoning for voting was based on Invisible's first 24 hours of activity! This is unacceptable for a player who had been active throughout the entire phase!

Moeblobs continues to assert you are lazy, wily scum, who did not make any effort to scumhunt properly because you couldn't actually find scum intent in a player you knew would flip town!

What are you, twelve.

Moeblobs can't have fun and sound fun playing the game? Moeblobs wishes you would lighten up a little so that you can enjoy the game too!

Why don't you tell me why your play is so much better than mine? Why don't you let the other players decide instead of trying to compare your own play to mine? Also, ooh a personal attack on me. Because this so town.

Personal attack? Moeblobs sees no such thing! Moeblobs is naming reasons why you are scum!

I seriously don't know how I'm offending you, other then the fact you can't deal with a posting quirk that nobody else (including the mod) has stated a problem with. Seriously, lighten up.

[All Might]

I didn't actually think there were any personal attacks in either of your posts until Pasa said the part about not being friends anymore. Seriously dude? You'd let a game on the internet ragequit a friendship? Moeblobs, while I don't mind your posting style and I don't think it makes your posts any harder to read, if even one person does, IMO you should stop doing it.

Anyways, I think both Pasa and Moeblobs are town and I'll expound on this in the evening when I have more time.

[C. C.]

Anyways, I think both Pasa and Moeblobs are town and I'll expound on this in the evening when I have more time.

I think he really needs to get over the quirk, reading third person is about the easiest-to-read PR I can think of, I'm even using proper sentence structure, and while I can't say my spelling is perfect, it's as good as I can do. Unless he struggled through English class he should have no problem dealing with it. This is an Internet Game, on the Internet. He should expect to have to deal with posts that aren't in perfect syntax or grammar. This isn't the only Mafia game on the Internet in which someone has used PR either.

I'm going to keep it up because I think it's delightful and one sourpuss telling me to stop shouldn't have end my fun.