[NOC] Volcanic Anonymafia - Game Over

[Nemu Kurotsuchi]

notplaying

cool mafuia game guys

notplaying

Still better than a 40 page long game when it's still on D2. Those are just unbearable.

[Prims]

Votecount 2.2

Failbaddon (3) - Pasadena, Pocket Ace, Mormegil

Mormegil (2) - Frank Lucas, Brian Kibler

Flaming Hot (1) - Bored

Pasadena (1) - Moeblobs With Hats

Not Voting: enigma, Failbaddon, Flaming Hot, Paperclip, Senbonzakura

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. You have about 27 hours left in the day.

Still probably need a sub for Failbaddon.

Brian Kibler, Bored and Moeblobs Without Hats have been prodded.

Edited March 6, 2013 by Priam

[Prims]

Also: due to the specific mechanics of the game being balanced around the amount of living players (and the fact that Senbon is dead if he doesn't post within 3 hours), I've decided that a single inactivity modkill will default the lynch to the dead player, who will flip at the end of the day. If this happens, then all votes will be invalid at the day will end with the modkilled player's flip at deadline.

Edited March 6, 2013 by Priam

[Shiki Ryougi]

Well, this activity is depressing (and I sure as hell ain't helping). You guys aren't getting much out of me today either because I'm puking sick and I can barely concentrate.

For the record, I am still quite unhappy and now I'm unhappy with a lot of you too. But all I'm going to say about this before the game ends is that you guys are foolish if you think the only reason I got so angry is over the stupid RP thing and that people REALLY shouldn't tell me how to feel when you don't even know why I'm annoyed, or I will get very angry with you.

I think I spotted a contradiction here. He calls on Moeblobs for calling him but voting on Invisible, then he justifies himself saying that calling for other players and voting someone else is not scummy. Hypocritical read, anyone?

Nice misrep. I called out Moeblobs because I felt his case on me had more ground than the one on Invisible. Like, if I weren't Pasadena but a third player comparing Moeblobs' case on Invisible and case on Pasadena, I'd think he would have more reason to vote Pasadena. The little dramatics like, "you're making it tempting for me to vote you, but I must persevere!" definitely didn't help.

I also dislike how you say you doubted Invisible flipping town. We were all mistaken by it, you're not the only one who's guilty. Don't try to justify yourself or make excuses. Instead, help us so that we find our first scum and make it even.

I'm just telling the truth and getting everything out on the table. If you don't want to believe me, that's your problem. I am not trying to justify myself or make excuses. Also, what the hell do you think I've been doing, I've been trying to scum hunt but it's hard when the only other person who is just as active as you are is the one who only wants to focus on you and no one else! You and the other players are not blameless. Show the fuck up more.

I felt you just abandoned his case, to be honest. I don't remember you referring to Invisible at all after you unvoted him. Later in the phase you voted him again, though. I do understand your point that saying the same thing over and over again is pointless, but I also don't remember much from you until near end phase.

I don't really have much else to say. If you feel I abandoned his case, then I disagree because I don't see things the way as you do.

Ngh, not false dictomy again... See, you're the only one who thought your vote was bad 30 minutes before phase end. You don't defend yourself by attacking the player who accused you, Pasa. You defend yourself by justifying your actions, else you're using this excuse as a scapegoat.

You are completely misrepresenting me, again. I agree that "attacking the player who accused you is stupid," but honestly I was getting fed up with Moeblobs, and I've already said all I need to say.

You honestly believed he was the scummiest player around and then, 30 minutes before the end, you thought he wasn't scummy anymore? Why such a 180 degrees flip at a sudden? I'm disappointed that I'm the only one who dislikes this "hey I thought he was town but I was too late oh well" excuse because, honestly, this is an useless appeal to emotion and an attempt to look better by saying you wouldn't have voted him.

I have stated my reason for my doubts so many times I'm sick of repeating it so you can go find it yourself.

I'll need to read Mormegil's posts again in detail when I'm not sick to see what I think about it. Also, Flaming Hot, do you have any opinions yet?

[Estelle]

Enigma needs to stop poking at people randomly and lay down a vote. You mentioned me as your top scumread and then proceeded to ignore me entirely.

Paperclip needs to be subbed or modkilled he's made one post since confirmation phase, this is absolutely ridiculous.

Flaming has no excuse for still having no opinions, this game is like 200 posts you can read through it in like an hour.

Rereading Bored's ISO I am not a huge fan of him, he spends a lot of time talking about town reads and defending his RVS, and his votes in general feel lazy. Additionally, half of his wagon has flipped town, which statistically reduces the chances of opportunistic scum on it.

@Moeblobs:

Moeblobs With Hats does not like both Bored and Invisible!

However, Moeblobs With Hats is bothered by how quickly the wagon on Bored has formed! Moeblobs can sense opportunistic scum on Bored's wagon!

Thankfully for Moeblobs, the weakest link perceived on Bored's wagon is conveniently also Invisible!

What is your opinion of this, now that half of Bored's wagon have flipped?

Therefore both of you are bad in this situation.Moeblobs still thinks one of you could be scum, however Moeblobs suspects that one must be town due to the interactions between the two of you. They do not look fabricated.

I don't like this post (I called out Frank thinking he said this, saw he didn't and thought I had imagined anyone saying it at all until I reread). What is to stop them from both being town?

Moeblobs is annoyed with Invisible's constant falling back on the "where is the scum intent" argument and would like to point out that scum doesn't need to benefit from every action they take, sometimes scum slip up and fall down.

I think I said this earlier but this is a dumb remark, even if scum are doing things that look protown they are doing it with the intent to look protown and not get lynched. Just because scum screw up doesn't mean it wasn't done with scummy intent.

@Frank: Do you still think one of Invisible and Pasadena are scum?

@Pocket:

Also, wrt to your case against Moe, votepark is a terrible buzzword and people should stop using it as they do. There is nothing scummy with voting for one person for a majority of the phase. It becomes scummy if people vote someone and then do nothing. But as you yourself admitted, Moe has been attempting to scumhunt, so your argument there is invalid.

I disagree with this, when you vote someone and never talk about them except to defend your vote on them it's really weird. If you have 2 townies voting someone and all 3 scum vote someone, but don't give good reasons for doing so, when it comes to near deadline and we need to consolidate a lynch and you have a guy with 5 votes and then a couple with 3, who are the people who don't like either wagon going to vote?

I'm pretty annoyed since my towniest non-me read could still easily be scum as far as I'm concerned and half the game isn't doing fuck all (paperclip enigma flaming senbon fail). I signed up for this game tentatively if Prims couldn't get enough people because I'm really busy, yet somehow I'm more active than half of you.

Also please call me Kibler. Or the American Joel Larson.

[Shiki Ryougi]

I'm pretty annoyed since my towniest non-me read could still easily be scum as far as I'm concerned and half the game isn't doing fuck all (paperclip enigma flaming senbon fail). I signed up for this game tentatively if Prims couldn't get enough people because I'm really busy, yet somehow I'm more active than half of you.

Hello other me.

[All Might]

I disagree with this, when you vote someone and never talk about them except to defend your vote on them it's really weird. If you have 2 townies voting someone and all 3 scum vote someone, but don't give good reasons for doing so, when it comes to near deadline and we need to consolidate a lynch and you have a guy with 5 votes and then a couple with 3, who are the people who don't like either wagon going to vote?

The bold is true, I guess, but not really relevant IMO to the italics. Maybe I'm not understand your point here properly?

I joined this game because I wanted to, so I have nothing to contribute to this conversation. ;_;

Anyways, I asked our host to lower the votes required for a lynch because of the amount of inactivity in this game, but he's a terrible member and a huge gay, so he said no. I guess the Sen modkill kind of accomplishes that, but I didn't really want to lynch him today. Let's hope he posts in the next hour or so.

[Estelle]

It's not something that's necessarily scummy, but it can very easily be so you need to look into it.

[C. C.]

None of Moeblobs's scumreads are posting...

@Kibler

What is your opinion of this, now that half of Bored's wagon have flipped?

Not much, really. Moeblobs still is annoyed with Flaming Hot and Failbladdon, and their lack of new posts and opinions. Moeblobs wishes to vote them but still hates the idea of lynching players that can't defend themselves.

What is to stop them from both being town?

Nothing at all, except their scummy play. Moeblobs just implied that they didn't seem like scumbuddies.

I think I said this earlier but this is a dumb remark, even if scum are doing things that look protown they are doing it with the intent to look protown and not get lynched. Just because scum screw up doesn't mean it wasn't done with scummy intent.

Moeblobs still thinks it a poor defense. Scum can hunt town without seemingly having an obvious scum intent behind it. Scum and town posting like scum are no different. They get lynched all the same!

Moeblobs still has his vote where it is and still wants to see Pasadena lynched. None of Pasadena's ragequit attitude had detered Moeblobs, and all of the points on Moeblobs's case still stand.

Remember, "~emotion is townie~" is only a mockery of the truth. Scum can get angry at Mafia games too (even though getting angry about internet games is stupid).

[Prims]

15 minutes until Senbon hits modkill timer.

[Nemu Kurotsuchi]

Just a note to other players: Ask for subs if you think you won't be able to play anymore, so we don't have another useles modkill.

Moeblobs still thinks it a poor defense. Scum can hunt town without seemingly having an obvious scum intent behind it. Scum and town posting like scum are no different. They get lynched all the same!

Moeblobs still has his vote where it is and still wants to see Pasadena lynched. None of Pasadena's ragequit attitude had detered Moeblobs, and all of the points on Moeblobs's case still stand.

Remember, "~emotion is townie~" is only a mockery of the truth. Scum can get angry at Mafia games too (even though getting angry about internet games is stupid).

Just out of curiousity, what is 'town posting like scum' to you? Also, you misunderstand the context on which Pasa used emotion with a generalization, I think.

[Prims]

Senbonkazura has been modkilled and will be lynched at deadline.

You have 22 hours left in the day, which may be ended early if half the living players ##Vote: End Day.

[Prims]

Also, assuming Failbaddon stays out of the game, he will be similarly force-lynched at the end of D3 if I don't get a sub for him within that time.

[All Might]

Well, I wish I could say that we're going to make great use of the extra time, but we probably won't. I'd still rather let the phase end naturally though, to give Prims more time to find a sub for Failbaddon and to let Flaming Hot, as well as any other afks who feel like returning to the game *coughcoughpaperclipcoughcough* more time to catch up and be able to contribute.

In the meantime, I'd really like Bored to chime in about someone other than just Flaming Hot for the one post. The post was bad, yeah, but it wasn't the only scummy thing in the thread. The only other things you've done so far today, IIRC, are make some weak prods against Fail and Moeblobs. IMO, what you are doing right now is what is scummy about "voteparking". You made a vote and then basically stopped trying to scumhunt.

[Rain Nijika]

Or it could be that I have a life that's kinda hit me in the face over the last few days. I have not been really around and in a position to post really at all the last day or so. I will try and get up a post later, but I can't promise anything.

[Kamina]

Also, @Enigma- Morm never actually voted for Invisible until near the end of the phase. When he's speaking about pressure voting inactives, he's speaking about mainly Senbon, I think.

No, I meant this.

I'm interested on Failbaddon's reasoning, because he focused on Bored for the entirety of D1. I believe he should also share reads with us and out what he thinks about the situation overall, else he's just applying tunnel vision towards his only scumread. I'm sure you can have more than one scumread on a Mafia, even if you're busy.

##Vote: Failbaddon

You're the third vote on Fail, and appear to be mostly looking for reactions, so it would be pretty easy for you to deny having wanted him lynched if he flips town.

How is it bad? I addressed Fail before, and I am addressing him now. The wagon seems to be running well, so I'll stay there until I see a more suspicious/scummy player or the wagon dies, since I want to get his answers.

Unless I'm failing to understand your post completely.

Has this been explained sufficiently? Also, what do you mean by "the wagon seems to be running well"? And if you think he's the most suspicious player, are you going to take your vote of him if the wagon dies just because of that?

##Vote: Mormegil

[All Might]

Mormegil, our lynch for today was decided for us by the Senbon modkill. His alignment will be flipped at the end of the phase, but we can't lynch anyone else today. Glad you've finally decided to throw down a vote, but it's unfortunately come at a time when a vote won't accomplish much.

[Estelle]

NO WAGON ANALYSIS

NO ACTIVITY

FINAL DESTINATION

[C. C.]

Just out of curiousity, what is 'town posting like scum' to you?

Also, you misunderstand the context on which Pasa used emotion with a generalization, I think.

"town posting like scum" is exactly what it says on the tin, townies displaying scum intent in their posts.

What do you mean about the emotion bit? Pasa threw a fit over the game (or Moeblobs, presumably), but that doesn't make him any more or less town.

Moeblobs has only been paying some attention to the Mormegil case but Moeblobs can't entirely discern what Mormegil is doing wrong. I read "voted Fail three times" though and Moeblobs guesses it can't be too hard to figure out.

[Estelle]

He spends 90% of his posts talking about people then votes someone else for inactivity, and his scumhunting is generally lazy.

[C. C.]

Moeblobs will be able to see the problem easier in the next read-through of Mormegil with that in mind, thanks.

[Nemu Kurotsuchi]

Mormegil, our lynch for today was decided for us by the Senbon modkill. His alignment will be flipped at the end of the phase, but we can't lynch anyone else today. Glad you've finally decided to throw down a vote, but it's unfortunately come at a time when a vote won't accomplish much.

I voted him as soon as D2 started, not now.

You're the third vote on Fail, and appear to be mostly looking for reactions, so it would be pretty easy for you to deny having wanted him lynched if he flips town.

We were 22 hours away from dead line, there was enough time for him to come here and speak. Voting him was more befeficial than not. I am afraid my vote stayed on him because there hasn't been much activity as of late, and I could work only with a few posts.

Has this been explained sufficiently? Also, what do you mean by "the wagon seems to be running well"? And if you think he's the most suspicious player, are you going to take your vote of him if the wagon dies just because of that?

##Vote: Mormegil

It's simple: If Fail is my scummiest read but no one is voting him by the end of the phase, why am I going to blindly focus on him? If the wagon were to die, I'd know we wouldn't get anywhere and I should work to contribute in another way before trying to bring the wagon back on another phase. Taking in consideration that this game REQUIRES 7 players so we don't end with universal loss (or something lesser, was this even specified?), I think this is the best choice I could make.

Also, I am comfortable with a Fail lynch. I don't see many contributions from his part, aside from focusing on Bored since the start of RVS until the end of D1. He hardly mentioned other players, so I believe he's been tunneling all the way.

[Nemu Kurotsuchi]

He spends 90% of his posts talking about people then votes someone else for inactivity, and his scumhunting is generally lazy.

So, in your words, I am scum because I voted Senbon and not Bored/Invisible at first, and you consider my scumhunting lazy because of what I deduce to be "voting Senbon", am I right? I could've voted Bored just as easily, but I won't write the same excuse I used so many times again. The Invisible wagon was, at that time, big enough for me to vote him just to ask the same thing Moeblobs was asking him, so I redirected myself to someone else who wasn't on the spotlight, because we still had a lot of time to gather other reads.

From my books, being lazy does not a scum make, by the way, and I am legitimately busy and focused on a lot of things at once, hence why I can't memorize every single point and post and address cases properly. I think I'll make a habit of writing notes from now on...

[Prims]

6 hours, 30 minutes left.

[Rain Nijika]

Ok, so here are the two people I find the most scummy, not counting flaming cause I'm hoping to have more than one post to base a read off of for him soon.

Fail: Pretty obvious why I have an issue with him, has been stated by multiple people don't feel the need to get more into that right now.

Frank: So, here's what we've got from Frank. Jumps in with an RVS. Then jumps on the Invisible wagon for attitude (how is attitude scummy? it's like emotion, a null tell), his interactions with Pasadena, not scumhunting (so when you said it looked like he was trying to get Pasadena lynched instead of himself... that's not scum hunting?), and then once again Invisible's attitude towards others which is still not scummy.

So he basically dislikes Invisible for not scum hunting but also for arguing with Pasedena and trying to get the lynch onto Pasadena. Which is scum hunting in a way. ... Sure.

Oh and he also claims a secondary scum read on Flaming who was another person who got semi-wagoned there. Ok.

He then continues on to say that Invisible needs to scum hunt and stop focusing on the people who voted him. But where is Brian's scum hunting? He's just tunneling away on other people, not even mentioning them except for a one liner maybe unless they address him.

Then we start off on D2, he goes back and looks at SM interactions. Not a bad idea, though he forgets to take into account that SM was pretty obvi-townie at that point and was a fairly safe kill. So he then comes, looks at the people SM was suspicious of and then proceeds to ignore half of them by handwaving their cases away as either something he doesn't know anything about (Fail) or that he'd already explained (one line about Flaming was apparently enough explaining). Part of the point of looking at who SM was on to should have then been looking into his cases on people and trying to figure out what you thought about them. Seems pretty halfhearted to me.

Randomly mentions Moeblobs as someone he needs to look into more and then votes Morm because of his Invisible vote and then not voting other people. Which is the exact case Brian had been pushing on Morm the previous day. Interesting.

Comments that the Moeblobs/Pas argument is impossible to understand and then claims he's going back to scumhunting. By which he means just responding to Morm. So basically doing what he accused Invisible of doing the previous day.

His final post is answering Pocket and then answering Morm and still has no new scumhunting information. Seems odd to me.

This is where my vote will be at the start of the next day phase.