Pirates of the Caribbean Mafia [Everyone loses but j00, Baldrick and Manix]

[Bard]

MOD: As a bastard mod I only answer questions related to your own role if they are sent privately. Public requests for role clarifications will not be honoured.

[BBM]

I don't see a point to not announcing your targets. You might just end up targeting the same person as a Cop and giving them a false negative, which could prompt them to claim for no reason. I guess that it tells mafia who the person is whom you think is least likely to be inspected (ie your strongest townread) but it's honestly not very difficult for mafia to figure that out for themselves.

@Rapier- No, those four RVS posts you made aren't a huge deal, and they're nothing I'm going to vote you for at the end of the game, but I legitimately thought they were kind of bad spam and thought it was worth putting more pressure on you. Your response was okay enough for now I guess, so:

##Unvote, ##Vote: Poly.

His Manix/Isaac suspicion is waffly and gives no reason to find him scummy but a reason for why he's townie. His Rapier jump also feels really opportunistic, as most of the posts that Rapier made that were, as he alleges, dragging out RVS, were made prior to his last post before the Rapier vote. So he could have made that same point then, pretty much, but didn't until three other people pointed it out. Also stuff that j00 said about the Baldrick and Manix/Isaac votes.

@Baldrick- why is your vote still on Isaac? The reason you gave initially for why his vote was worse than mine and Miria's were a product of not reading carefully, as you admitted. So then what makes his vote worse than our's now?

[Eurykins]

Bleh, my compy needs to stop crashing.

Rapier: So much posting early on (in comparison to others), and little output to be had. Not saying it's a good thing, but imo, it rings FE6 gameplay from him currently. That and he seemed justifiably defensive given how far his wagon got pushed (L-2), so that in itself (his reaction) doesn't come off as being bad/scummy to me.

Baldrick's last post felt weird to me, given that he seems to step back from Isaac (claiming he had skimmed over things and may have missed some of Isaac's content [unless I'm mistaken/misread that?]), but yet keeps his vote on him. He also keeps dropping comments- like his last one towards j00, but again, doesn't really explain it. Mind elaborating, Baldrick?

Poly seems to be as chaotic/reactive as I've seen/known him to be, though I can't say I'm feeling great about his Rapier tunneling.

@j00: Not sure how someone can be bad at RVS votes (and thus use that logic to not vote), but okay. That, and the fact that Rapier had a wagon on himself that caused the RVS to end doesn't remedy the fact that he (Rapier) posted a lot but did practically nothing as a result, 'cause I'm pretty sure he didn't intend to get a wagon started/rolling like that.

Not getting much else from Isaac/BBM/Miria currently in terms of vibes.

##Unvote

##Vote: Baldrick

[This is purely a prod vote until Baldrick gets another post or two around, and as I'm not interested in the Rapier wagon. Poly is currently beside Baldrick in priority, though moreso for wariness/bad vibes.]

[Shinori]

Not in a good mood at all and most likely won't be posting for a bit as someone in my house stole my phone and I intend to find out who did it.

[Bard]

It's Not Like I -Want- You Guys To Play, Or Anything! Votal

SB (1): Refa

Refa (0): Polydeuces

BBM (0): Miria Harvent

Rapier (3): Polydeuces, BBM, Miria Harvent, Isaac Dian

Shinori (1): Eurykins

Miria (0): Rapier

Baldrick (1): Isaac Dian, Eurykins

Isaac Dian (0): Rapier

j00 (1): Rapier

Polydeuces (2): j00, BBM

Not Voting: scorri, Shinori, Baldrick

Lynches happen at 6 votes!

Scorri has been prodded.

Deadline countdown:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20140108T2050&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+the+First+Day&csz=1

Edited January 7, 2014 by Bard

[Percivalé]

Hey guys I just woke up (it's 3pm) with a major headache & been skimming the thread and will post after I get back from my eye appointment but Isaac/manix's response to baldrick's vote was really town lol

[Rapier]

I am voting for Polydeuces, by the way.

[Percivalé]

Poly is jumpy as fuck & I really don't want to read rapier's walls on my phone hhh back in a sec

[Rapier]

Ugh I really need to stop with the quote walls thingy.

I'm thinking if I should make separate posts or if I should just link the quoted post and be done with it.

[Grace]

But talking about hiddens during RVS isn't any less productive than RV'ing during RVS.

uh, no. talking about hiddens doesn't put any pressure on a player, whereas votes do. ergo, RV's are more productive then talking about hiddens.

and Isaac is rubbing me the wrong way a little bit

requesting that you try and explain this more; i can't do anything about it if it's left in a type of blanket statement which doesn't actually tell us anything

You blame me for not finding a solution to end RVS right on page 4 (when the game started, no less), then you proceed to give yourself an excuse for not contributing and say that I should've contributed more (on page 4, no less, when there was no content) because I had five posts and apparently it is synonimous with "a lot of posts".

Your vote on me is both lazy and opportunistic and I don't like it any bit.

You should have contributed more because you were the player with the most (or damn close to it) posts in the game to that point. I had 1/2 posts, depending on what timeframe you decide to use. See the difference? Instead of joking around, you could have tried to do something a little more productive then just holding onto a joke (I dropped my joke in my second post of the game, proceeding to then try and proceed the game state). See previous point about stagnating the game.

The vote against me is incredibly kneejerky; it looks like a bad reaction to votes/pressure. Couple that with the shift to Poly in the very next post, and you see that it's far more likely to be said bad reaction.

Your response was okay enough for now I guess, so:

(this is re: rapier)

Can I get some reasoning why? Unless you ~really~ don't want to out it, i'd like something to work with.

Still pretty happy with my Rapier vote.

[scorri]

##Vote:Poly

He's been jumping around quite a bit and his most recent stuff on Rapier is based on a completely misinterpretation of what Rapier was saying. I currently have no issue with Rapier's RVS stuff and I think that most people are dragging it out of proportion. Did he do the best possible thing? No, probably not. But you can't assume that everyone will play perfectly.

Other thoughts and reads will need to come later, I've had a weird couple of days, sorry.

[Rapier]

You should have contributed more because you were the player with the most (or damn close to it) posts in the game to that point. I had 1/2 posts, depending on what timeframe you decide to use. See the difference? Instead of joking around, you could have tried to do something a little more productive then just holding onto a joke (I dropped my joke in my second post of the game, proceeding to then try and proceed the game state). See previous point about stagnating the game.

The vote against me is incredibly kneejerky; it looks like a bad reaction to votes/pressure. Couple that with the shift to Poly in the very next post, and you see that it's far more likely to be said bad reaction.

Page 4. Game had just started. What did you expect me to do, honestly? Everyone else was joking as well, and the seriousness only starter after BBM's last post on page 4.

I don't see it as a bad reaction since you're taking things too seriously from RVS. My content has changed and I made a legit comeback against Poly. Are you still going to opportunistically cling to RVS stuff?

[Percivalé]

yeah manix is super town wrt his reactions lol (or at least not mafia)

I'm still reading but as far as I know I want to vote Poly and there is something about Baldrick that I'd have to look into, mostly because his Manix vote felt like an easy case to make even though he DID explain himself and then he just kinda stuck with it even after admitting he hadn't read all the way through (??) I'm probably remembering super wrong though & I stopped reading thoroughly after Rapier's walls came up

if I vote Poly he'll be at L-1 though

[Percivalé]

will he? did I count wrong

[Percivalé]

mostly because his Manix vote felt like an easy case to make even though he DID explain himself

even though manix explained himself*

that was super unclear, sorry

triple post yolo

[Grace]

Page 4. Game had just started. What did you expect me to do, honestly? Everyone else was joking as well, and the seriousness only starter after BBM's last post on page 4.

So you wanted to perpetuate the lack of content, rather than do something about it? Just because other people are joking does not mean you need to continue on with it.

I don't see it as a bad reaction since you're taking things too seriously from RVS.

Well, I would expect you wouldn't think it's a bad reaction, you are biased toward yourself. However, I disagree that it wasn't a bad reaction because you voted me for "being lazy and opportunistic", which is completely wrong because my logic was well laid out and was my own opinion. I wasn't aware that my vote put you at L-2 until Bard posted votals, but at that point I still didn't care to change it because it was my best lead at the time.

My content has changed and I made a legit comeback against Poly.

maybe, maybe. However,

Are you still going to opportunistically cling to RVS stuff?

way to ignore my last post. my reasoning for my vote is no longer due to RVS content, it's because of your bad reaction to pressure. this post is not helping my opinion of you at all.

[Percivalé]

Rapier's Manix vote and then quick switch to Poly also bugs me. It seems like he changed his mind about pushing Manix right after making the vote and seems jumpy. also I was right about Baldrick. His posts following Manix's defense of his vote read to me as lazy and he had no opinions aside from the RVS bullshit.

Poly throwing out "bad vibes" on people isn't scummy in itself but I'm reading through his posts and I'm unsure what his opinions are on people aside from his Rapier case.

[Percivalé]

ugh now that I think about it I'd vote Baldrick but 48-hour days

[Percivalé]

also manix and poly are both tunneling rapier and I'd like to hear their opinions on other people

[Grace]

sure. most of what i have are nullreads, but

i'm not completely sure on poly; i can kinda see the case against him but at the same time his content (that isn't the non-specific stuff, which I did ask for expansion if possible) and reactions seem more genuine.

bladrick has like, no content. the only opinions he has are on me (which as other people mentioned, weird, because he admits to speedreading and then not really adjusting his opinion) and rapier. not terribly happy with him, but not my priority rn

also can someone vig refa for being a non-contributor and "I didn't even realize he was playing" syndrome (i only realized this because I am looking at the OP as I write this post)

[MRDRHAWK]

Let's see:

Rapier - I've talked about him enough already.

Baldrick - After his initial push of content, he just kinda... vanished. Especially considering he was preaching about how he felt scum needed to lay low right before that, it bugs me greatly. Would like to see more from him, and I wouldn't mind him being lynched if the Rapier wagon dies.

Manix/Isaac - Whatever bad vibes I was getting from him earlier are gone, for the most part, mostly due to me feeling more sour towards Baldrick and him mostly opposing Baldrick's posts. Though, the whole "someone vig Refa" thing is kinda suspect in any manner, even if I am feeling kinda ehhhhh also Refa pretty much vanishing after RVS.

j00 - Don't like how he more-or-less parroted what others said about me, and the claim still feels iffy to me. Like, why claim framer knowing it's usually anti-town? I get that it's bastard, which could explain it if he flips town, but that didn't feel right to me. At all.

I'm leaning town on BBM & Miria right now, and I'm unsure of where Manix/Isaac & j00 sit. Nobody else has really done anything of note, so I can't say anything about the others (aside from wtf Refa where did you vanish to post more pls).

My current lynch priority goes Rapier >>>> Baldrick >> j00 > Isaac > everyone else. I'm only comfortable with the first two getting lynched atm, though, since j00's barely posted and I'm more null towards Isaac than anything.

[Eurykins]

I hate how I can't seem to use my computer reliably until it crashes about 5 times in a row.... >_>

I'm not sure how I'm liking the Rapier case atm. Personally, I see the tunneling on him as being maybe a little harsher than it should be, but his reactions certainly isn't helping any. ;/

Why are so many people dead/inactive currently? (I know I don't have a whole lot of posts myself, but jeebuz- the lack of posting/progress overall for a 48-hour day phase thread with few people is kinda....sad, I guess? Just a hell of a lot slower than I'd expect. o_o)

[BBM]

@Manix- Rapier's vote was a bit reactionary, but I don't think that it's necessarily scummy for town to look on their own wagon when they get wagoned in RVS- see yourself in Volcanic D1. I thought what he said was well thought out even if I didn't necessarily agree with them other than the one on Poly. Also the effort put in defending himself looks good because Rapier puts in more effort as town most of the time. Kind of leaning just a little townish to me atm.

Poly is still scummy. He garnered three votes and one scumread between his most recent post and the one before that, and did little to respond to any of them except the most minor (the scumread from Bizz), by giving opinions on more people. The votes on him were all to varying degrees about his bad Rapier vote and he chose not to expand on it at all or respond to that.

Also the Manix blurb is in the same line as his last one because he gives his concluding read at the beginning and then follows up with evidence for the contradictory position. Half of his j00 suspicion also seems to be simply because he doesn't agree with her view of claiming negative utility roles ASAP. Poly, what's the scum intent in claiming Framer? Claiming it sucks because if she's telling the truth about her role, she's giving over her target choice to the town. She could technically be scum who's not Framer at all who's using the bastard label of the game to WIFOM, but j00 isn't the type of player who makes impulsive crazy role plays, so I think it's unlikely.

[Percivalé]

##Unvote

I might not be here for deadline and there are people I want to lynch above Rapier. Let me read again

[BBM]

Eury, what is your opinion on j00? You kind of just comment on her play without giving a conclusion. Also, what was the reason for announcing your Baldrick vote as purely a prodvote? The reasons you gave felt fine to me and I might have voted there myself had I not thought Poly was worse. That bit at the end felt kind of self-conscious to me, which I don't really like. Also you seem to legitimately find Poly suspicious because you say you have "bad vibes" about him. Why does a pure prod/question take vote priority over bad vibes?