BBM

I believe phase ends in just about 13.5 hours.

Fuck it, nobody really wants to lynch Shin. ##Unvote, ##Vote: j00 I'll come up with more backing this up in the morning, but I can't actually remember anything that j00 has done other than ask for ISO links or something, and I think vote SB just for being on the Marth wagon, but not really saying why he thought SB was worse than the other people on the wagon. I might be wrong about this because my memory is shaky and I'm too tired to reread.

idk why I made that question.

I wouldn't actually mind lynching j00 but I feel like it'd be sort of a powerwagon at this point and not really give much to work with as a flip?

Votecount: Baldrick (1): WREN MancerNecro (2): JBCWK, Camtech NekoRex (2): Mancer, Baldrick Shinori (2): Boron, Kay Strawman (1): Helios WREN (1): j00 Kay (1): Shinori Not Voting (2): Elieson, Strawman With 12 players present, it takes 5 votes for a deadline lynch and 7 for a hammer. The phase ends at 11 PM EST on Dec. 29th, which is in about 19.5 hours.

No, I mean that one scumteam was called Scum, while the other was called Mafia. So I was asking j00 if he was specifically Scum, due to his avatar.

Can you restate why exactly you're voting me then? All I have is because I'm pandering to people, which I don't really get.

Everyone should state their top 3 lynch targets. Mine are Shin > Obviam > CR. Also I still haven't seen a good explanation for why Bizz thinks that me pushing an easy mislynch on Shin is scummy, but has no qualms with lynching CR. She says that she thought CR is scummier than Shin for reasons separate from them being newbs, but when I said the same thing, but the other way around, it was scummy. And a few people voting me right now seem to just be saying "BBM is making good points, but he's catering to other people too much" which annoys me because they're setting themselves up to distance themselves from me after my flip.

In other news, Iris has been subbed in for WREN.

Made a mistake there oops Also I didn't say I was lynching Shin because he was pulling the newbie card... I voted him for nitpicking over small things and ignoring 90% of what's being said.

@Prims- My 149 was about MY reasonings for why I thought CR was scummy, not your's. I said in that post that I thought MY reason for finding Shin scummy was worse than MY reasoning for finding CR scummy. Also, I really don't like how Bizz doesn't like me going after Shin because it's an easy mislynch due to him being new, but is okay with lynching CR who is also new.

I don't really think Marth is scummy to be honest. His early posts were lacking, but the later ones have had some good points in them and I don't see much wrong with him. Plus a bunch of people have just been voteparking him from early in the day even though he's played differently since then. I'd prefer lynching Shin > Obviam > CR out of the people I've seen other people find scummy. I don't really want to lynch Marth or SB. I was thinking of claiming early because I don't want to have to claim with an hour left in the phase if Marth claims something that nobody wants to lynch.

So j00, were you a member of Scum?

WREN has been prodded (again) and Boron's ISO link has been edited to reflect her namechange.

See it as fishing, but I was trying to clarify what CR was trying to say. Anyways, I can claim now if you want. it's far away from phase end but if I have to claim near phase end, I don't think it'll result in an optimal usage of my role.

Bleh. I'll give a 24 hour extension because it's Christmas and I've put a lot of effort into this game and I don't want to see it end like this, but if there's a repeat of this situation again, I'll end the game in a universal loss. So I guess you guys have 28 hours. Make use of it.

Wait what? Your role PM tells you that a certain character is in the game?

Yeah, town had no protective roles and the Hooker was incapable of blocking kills. In Life's words, if you wanted someone dead, there was no way to stop that. It was done purposely because Life wanted to teach people the lesson of how to make temporary alliances and team up with one of the anti-town factions to get rid of another, and not use roles like Doc to get around the fact that if town didn't lynch SK D1, they needed to make the SK and the two scumteams crossfire.

Another thing I didn't like is that Obviam said earlier that meta is always valid and then dismissed Bizz's meta read on Prims by saying "but Prims is too smart for that!", which is the argument against every meta reasoning- that a good player can turn that around against you.

>_> Yeah that was a mistake on my part.

>_> That looks rather contradictory, but what I meant when I said the bit about voting people using borrowed reasoning not being inherently scummy, I meant it specifically in context of CR, because she's new. I think that a new player sheeping isn't as bad as a more experienced player sheeping. My thoughts about CR is that while what she's done is suspicious, they're the sort of things that newbs do whether they're town or scum, so overall I think she's less likely to be scum from that. So a null read I suppose.

Also, my stance on CR is just my reasoning for voting Shin over her. My stance on CR has nothing whatsoever to do with why I find Shin scummy.

Voting for people using borrowed reasoning isn't inherently scummy.

For me, it's not about winning the "hard" or "easy" way. It's winning in the way where nobody is angry at the end, even if they lost.

I didn't like that large post by Obviam at all, because he basically just gave a summary of the thread's activity to this point and then whether or not he agreed with what the other person said. In fact, the only original thing I got from that entire thing was that he thinks that me and Marth are town and the people targeting us are suspicious. And then despite saying that he finds me town, he says that Helios's point is interesting and if true could make me scum, so it feels to me like an attempt to push the mislynch on me while still being on my side after I flip town. The entire post is just piggybacking off other people's reads.