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Votecount: NekoRex (1): Kay Shatter/JB (1): Shinori Shinori (2): Elieson, Boron Baldrick (1): WREN MancerNecro (1): JBCWK Strawman (1): Helios Boron (1): Baldrick WREN (1): j00 Not Voting (3): Camtech, Mancer, Strawman With 12 players present, it takes 5 votes to lynch at deadline and 7 to hammer. You have slightly less than 9 hours left in the phase, which ends at 11 PM EST today.

Tunneling is just hounding one person and ignoring what everybody else in the game is doing or saying. Also what does YMMV mean? @Shin- I think what both of you are doing is suspicious, but what CR is doing is more likely to be something that a new player might do regardless of their alignment, and what you're doing is more likely to be something that scum might do instead of town. Also, if I like my case against you more than I like my case against her, why shouldn't I go after you over her? Obviam still hasn't offered any actual reads at all.

I think Shin is more likely to be scum than CR right now, because I think Shin ignoring 90% of the thread's activity and choosing to nitpick at little things is worse than CR sheeping. Sheeping is something a lot of newbs do, whether they're town or scum, because they're not really sure what to say or do or how to scumhunt. But the nitpicking at little things is something scum do a lot more often than town because they don't want to associate themselves much with the big wagons or actually contribute.

Why do you think I'm trying too hard with my cases and not being legit, Helios? I can understand why you think that the case against Shin might be taking advantage of the fact that he's a new player, but I'm not going to give him or CR a pass for behaviour I think is scummy.

Someone asked me this so I'll just relay the answer here- Baldrick is allowed to have his votes and unvotes be in different colours.

Cam has subbed in for NekoRex.

I'm not sure Marth is valid as a checker since I don't think he's hosted any games yet.

Mancer won't be around for a while btw... he says he should be back by phase end. Same with Boron. And also, because of ~stuff~, 2/3 of my subs were forced to drop out, so I really need subs right now.

Basically, you'd get the ability to infect one person each day/night, but die in a day, and those you infected would gain the same role as you. Then you'd win if everyone alive became infected, even if it was after you died.

##Vote: Shin First post is an empty vote against Elie long after a vote like that was acceptable, and completely ignores all the discussion up to that point. After that, he has one or two posts targeting SB, but the reason behind is vote is kind of lame- what exactly is scummy about provoking discussion based around people's perception of him? And then his latest post doesn't have much in it either, and still ignores mostly everything that's happened so far, only making two very small points against me and JB.

I still need a sub for NekoRex. Since I guess people were too lazy to read the first line of Yellow's Bulbapedia page, the new question that the sub needs to answer is: What is the identity of Red's first pokemon (in the form in which it was obtained)?

I didn't vote anybody on the Marth wagon because you hadn't actually done anything to revise my opinion of you at that point, so I didn't see a reason in changing my vote when my opinion was the same. That last post is more what I expect from you, so ##Unvote for now while I reread the thread.

@Prims- that post you quoted of yours is hardly indication that you found me scummy before your vote on me. That level of accusation is no more than your point against Marth where you said his vote against me was as weak as mine against Bizz or your point against Helios handwaving the interactions between you and Bizz. @Elieson- If you find someone suspicious, why SHOULDN'T you vote for them just because they have a wagon? And a wagon that barely has any meaning to it, to boot. Also I never said that Prims and Bizz were town in-fighting. In fact, since I've voted for both of them, how can you gather from that that I think they're both town? That Marth wagon looks really scummy and sheepy, and I'm looking particularly at Mancer and CR. I think CR especially looks bad because she said that Mancer convinced her even though Mancer basically just parroted the same reasoning that the first four people on the wagon did. Also, I see Obviam reading the thread. Say something plz.

Except it was an OMGUS because it was how he defended himself against my case against him. Instead of refuting my point, he just said "well you're doing the same thing" which isn't really a proper defence at all. Plus I don't think I did the same thing as him at all, so not only is it a bad defence, I think it's also a wrong one.

Prodding was probably a weaker word than I was going for. But I don't really think you're scummy anymore.

Prodding was probably a weaker word than I was going for. But I don't really think you're scummy anymore.

How exactly is asking people about their opinions about a player with one RVS post going to get you anything good at all? Also Prims you're sidestepping my case against you with an OMGUS. I might have been asking questions and prodding, but at least one could tell that my vote was on somebody whom I thought was suspicious, whereas you poked at what people were saying without actually saying what that told you about them. It's like writing an essay where you list all the evidence but dont actually use it to conclude anything.

Not strong but they're essential as sacrifices to get better pieces, so 5/10. Plus you can get a second queen.

I don't think you're that suspicious Bizz. Your first few posts were a bit strange so I prodded you but I think you're okay for the moment.

I explained my vote against you... you don't seem to have any serious reads and all your posts seem to be prodding other people and trying to get them to say something without actually saying much yourself. On the other hand I can't see anything scummy that Scorri has done yet.

First person who can message me with Yellow's full name gets to sub in for NekoRex whee

##Unvote, ##Vote Prims I think this is a better vote right now than Bizz. You're doing nothing useful with your vote at all, despite prodding people a lot and asking a lot of questions. You can't tell me that you think that vote on Scorri is going to help more than voting one of the people who's actually done something. Plus even though you have several posts you don't actually seem to have any reads, or at least not those you're willing to share.

I don't disagree that my vote against Bizz was half-assed, but it was still more of a reason to vote for somebody than what anybody else had given up to that point, and it certainly achieved more than keeping my vote on Scorri would have. Also, Marth, care on expanding on what you think about Prims vs Levity from his side? "rofl Prims vs Levity" is kinda vague.

Was that Miller claim serious? I'm not entirely sure because of how you said it.

I don't really think votes like those that Scorri and Prims had provide enough pressure for Helios to react, and his own vote is obviously not going to cause him much worry. I don't like it when people shy away from placing votes because there are already too many on that person.