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Anyhow, read through most stuff now. Corrobin's interaction with Athena felt... weird. Kinda like he thought stating an opinion with a vote there would get him townread and he got annoyed when it didn't. Not sure why he even thought it would tbh, but that feels a lot more like self precevation then trying to solve the game (which is scummy). The few comments he made about Shinori also feel pretty bad. He said he voted Shinori because he read fake trolling as real trolling, but like... everyone is trolling at early D1? I get he's not used to that, but how does only Shinori stand out as scum there? And then he townreads Shinori (in part) because Nori makes a comment about how KTS has only been using wagon analyses to push him, but KTS never really used it as a reason to push him? (please correct me if I'm wrong here btw). Don't really like Shinori's slot, mostly because even in the games I played with him where he was flaking (and town), the few posts he did make were still pretty good, as opposed to now. With all that said, I'd still prefer to lynch Jiggly. Both because I scumread him more then the above two and because his lynch will help solve the game a lot for me (mostly with regards to Alette). Finally, Athena stole both my reads and my bedtime, so here's clearly scum trying to make me look unoriginal to push an easy misslynch without even needing to push it himself!

Are you scumreading me here or are you just saying it felt right to end the whole middle voters thing with me?

I agree with this to some degree, which is what's weakening my scumread on her somewhat. I feel stuff like her scumread on Tuvy2 suddenly dissapearing and her saying there's probably scum in the middle voters without any thought on who that is still looks bad though (the former moreso than the later).

Why again? Marth agreed with Athena on thinking the Tuvy post was a scumslip I think, so why wouldn't he jump to lynching there? Also, you mentioned cases on Alette being bad, but are you scumreading anyone for those? Why did you unvote without voting anywhere else then? If you felt the momentum wasn't there, why didn't you consolidate somewhere? I think you really misunderstood my point in that post tbh. I don't mind it if you reiterate other people's statements. What troubles me is that all you literally did outside your Alette case was iterate what was basicly a universally agreed on point. Basicly, if Alette wasn't there, wouldn't you be just as lost as she is? I don't dissagree with you on Alette being scummy btw, but I do think you're scummy for similar reasons. I think people generally refer to a tunnel as someone only talking about one scumread and ignoring anything else that's happening in the game or only looking at it to see who makes sense as buddies for their one scumread (without judging said buddies on individual scumminess). This makes very little sense to me, because why would Athena ever reintroduce the Tuvy scumslip when people weren't trying to lynch him eod in this scenario? You kind of have to lynch someone D1 to get anywhere, so I don't really think it's that weird? Like this part, actually. I doubt the bolded part tbh. She never mentioned noticing it afterwards and Athena had commented on it already anyway, so I really don't see how Alette is trying to take credit for that. It could be a bus after she noticed her buddy had slipped, sure. I think that's a good enough reason for why scum!her wouldn't vote Tuvy2 when it appears to be a coinflip between the two judging from her posts (other reason would be both Tuvy's are scum, in which case RIP the scumteam tbh). Wouldn't dropping the vote actually make him less frozen in place? You also failed to mention why Tuvy2 wasn't on your lynch list anymore. Any thoughts on which of those middle voters would be scum then? I'm at this weird point right now where I think some of Jiggly's points against Alette are good and I want to lynch her for it, but then a lot of other points feel like he's just trowing all the dirt he can think of against her hoping for a lynch on her (as opposed to actually trying to get a read on her). I think there's at least one scum in here, but I somewhat doubt Jiggly would stick to hardbussing his buddy after a scumflip D1, so probably not both. I also think Alette would fight back harder if it's a bus actually. I think Jiggly is more likely to flip scum right now, so: #Vote: fairyjigglypuff

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That's the big question my friend (opening post confirmed 4 player scum team, just in case) I still need to reread Shinori and Refa here tbh. Sheeping Athena on Jiggly. Not a big fan of Alette's content, but she's probably not scum with Jiggly, lol. Omega asking for a sub explains the lack of motivation from him, so urgh. Kill is just giving me a headache at this point. Basicly, I'll get back to you on this, I need to rearange my thoughts a bit (and just read up).

We can try talking about other people a bit for now, since there's 3 more scum on the loose anyway. Normally you'd look into interactions here or something, but....

Ah. I know Alette has trouble starting, so I don't see her appearing on the sidelines early game as much of a scumtell as I would for some other people. Corrobin's vote pinged me because it seemed super weird and I wanted that sorted out asap. Because of these two things, I decided to vote Corrobin. I was fine with letting Alette swim free a bit more to see how her reads would develop over time, while I wanted immeadiate pressure and response from Corrobin.

Also @Refa I swear I looked for your question, but you didn't ping me for it and I can't really find anything in your last few posts. Please help?

Wait, how many votes are on Tuvy right now? We should need like 12 to hammer, so we're probably safe, but might be good to keep an eye on that.

Okay, read up on Jiggly, and damn I really thought he posted more on other people. There was something about a chainsaw somewhere and an analyses on me in regards to the Kill thing, but both are pretty damn minor (analyses on me is just agreeing with others, and chainsaw thing is somewhat weird and not really followed up on). Would vote here but Tuvy thing is horrible though, lol. ##Unvote ##Vote: Tuvy

....Stop proving my reads wrong man, seriously.... Ahem, I have to read his later posts for a bit to verify if he really didn't talk about other people, but I like the case. I liked his case at the start, even though I think some points weren't really tells. I'll get back to you on this in a bit. What question again?

Sup guys, sorry for flaking yesterday, lack of sleep and busy... I've only skimmed the later half of this thread now, but I'll read up properly now. For now though: I'm still not a big fan of KTS' posts, but with how everything seems to be agreeing with his read on me, it apparently wasn't as weird as I thought it was. Also, can't really dissagree with his vote on Omega, because the guy's been playing way more passively then I'm used to from him. @Killthestory Question though, what do you think of Refa, since he subbed into a slot you were scumreading before? I don't really care about "padding" tbh, because I feel that's something people often just do unconsiously, but Athena's reads feel very safe, whereas I'd expect town him to have gotten his hand dirty at this point in time if that makes sense. I really think the Tuvy's and Currobin should start talking or get a sub at this point, which is really annoying. Welp, reading time then. I should be around from pretty much now to EoD, so tag me if you want to talk about stuff/think I should prioritize certain things so we can talk about that now.

Okay this is just dumb. I'm aware this isn't your real reason for scumreading Boron and you're joking/making fun of me here, but there's zero reason for town you to provoke me instead of just explaining yourself already and acutally starting to push me or Boron! This is just trying to keep an unproductive shouting match going, instead of trying actually push a lynch. Other option is that he really believes he doesn't need to explain anything and expects us to sheep him just like that but.... do I actually need to go into why that is wolfy? Right, let's vote someone else without giving any reasons. There's not even a "I didn't like this post" anymore! Do you suddenly think Omega is more scummy then me and Boron? Did your scumread on us go down, or did the scumread on Omega just go up? Why where you even scumreading us in the first place? Please be a little more sparing while blinding us with your great wisdom, and explain it to these poor lost lambs! (Please tell me I don't need to explain my sarcasm) It's also noted that he basicly backs off of me the moment I start backing off of him, without any consideration for why I'm backing off (it wouldn't be unreasonable at this point to think I'm backing off for getting backlash, but apperently the moment I back off, there's suddenly bigger fish to fry). I really struggle seeing this from a town perspective, am I honestly the only person scumreading this? Vote stays here, obviously. To be fair, I was very right in Training mafia.

@Flee Fleet! Remember that speaking your mind makes it easier for us to get a read on you as well. The game isn't about not making any mistakes (I mean, looking at the numbers, we only need to lynch right 50% of the time, lol), it's about judging whether people are actually trying through their actions and mistakes. Basicly, you don't need to come up with a killer case on scum you're 100% sure of right now, just saying whose reasonings (or what statements) you tend to agree with, which people (or actions) you find to appear odd and so on is already a lot better then not having any opinion at all.

I guess I can see your reasoning make sense as well for him, might have been a bit too sceptical after last game... getting lynched over a universal scumread does things with you man. It still sucks we have to guess for the reasons of his play though. @Killthestory Can you maybe explain your scumread on Boron now? Regardless of my allignment, it shouldn't be a bad thing to explain your read to town, right?

You're saying that after last game you really don't see KTS hard BS'ing his way through stuff? If his post was bait, how does the response make sense to you? How does someone asking him for reasons equate to a scumread? Please explain, because I'm really not following you here... Null on Rad. I liked Marth's opening and his overal play is what I expect from town him. Townlean here. I don't really know weiner much, but although he doesn't take center stage too much, he seems to be forming opinions at a good rate. Another town lean. Your opinions on them then?

I was being sarcastic about him saying he had already found 3 wolves.

Like, so far KTS's posts were: him: Hey guys Boron is scum! I also have other wolves figured out! me: Why and who? him: Hey guys, Bart is scum!

Saying he missread was the easiest answer he could give to my questioning, so I was planning to keep my vote there to keep the pressure up a little. I'm way too lazy to mention everything I just don't care about, sorry man. On you, your content reads pretty safe, which is scummy, because it's what you always do as scum. Several comments like this one are giving me pause though, because I don't think you'd try to attract more attention to yourself as scum. Basicly, I was hoping to get a clearer view after a few more interactions (partly so I don't waste my perfect read record). I'm pretty sure he did that in both his scum games though... His lack of explanation isn't anything unusual (as in NAI) and just annoying. Him getting overly deffensive (which is how I read his vote on me) is scummy, yes. It reminds me of idnsfmm, where he won by just bashing everyone slightly suspecting him (and not doing anything else). In town games, I feel like his logic is a lot more visible, it's just unexplained (as in, I can at least somewhat get why he's coming to certain conclusions).

....Okay what? So your response to me asking you to clarify your reads is voting me? Are you for real here? Can you explain how my post is scummy in any way? This is a sad way to push random lynches, even for Kill. ##Vote: KTS

@SB. Does Corrobin actually have 3 votes, or is it just a mistake because of Via's unvote?

I'm always serious. Unless I'm not. But I was serious here. I'm not saying I expected you to have the scum team figured out at this point, but almost all of your comments are about how something is weird, without mentioning whether you find that thing actually scummy, towny, or whatnot (note that this does not mean you have to suddenly hard scumread/townread them for it). That's what I mean with sitting on the sidelines. Reads help there though, ty.

Ha, town might seem in a pinch after being invaded by wolves and this subbing mess, but it's all right now! Why you ask? BECAUSE I AM HERE! Alette seems to be sitting on the sidelines a bit too much imo, intend on commenting from the sidelines instead of getting his hands dirty. @Alette is there anyone you're suspisious of right now? I feel Omega has only really been making joke posts, without anything gamerelevant (Okay, I guess picking on Claire became gamerelevant but still) so: @Omega., any thoughts on the game so far? Who are you currently suspecting? I agree with Marth on not liking Corobins vote. I liked the initiative it showed, but the way he backed out after being asked about it was bad. @Corrobin I'm pretty sure most people were fine with Shinori, what did you mean with "Wisdom of crowds"? ##Vote: Corrobin I'm uhm... just going to leave the Claire thing alone until that figures itself out I guess... @Killthestory Nice, seems like you really are worthy of being a hero! ...Why's Boron scum though? And who are these buddies then?