Makaze

http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=47555 Late.

'Take the log out of thine own eye' seems appropriate.

It was my post, wasn't it?

Where?

That sounds more unsettling than if you had not said anything to begin with.

The nice guy/friendzone thread is a trip...

Avatar poll?

Nice Guys are defined by their inability to recognize the problem with their own behavior. One of the big things that separates them from pickup artists is that when pickup artists fail, they recognize that they failed to manipulate the other person. They know what they are doing. The only people they lie to about are their targets. Nice Guys are in denial. They think they are being genuinely nice. They feel entitled, but think of themselves as infinitely patient and forgiving. In other words, they do not believe they can do wrong, so when they fail, it must be someone else's fault. The stereotype is based on how they appear to others. They do not have to think kindness equals sex consciously to behave in a way that shows they feel it should be that way.

Yes. Why do you ask?

I am confused. If you do not mind sex for procreation, why doesn't sex for its own sake make even more sense? Wanting sex for its own sake is as intuitive as wanting dessert for its own sake instead of eating more of the main course, for the same reason. Not wanting sex is fine and possible, but wanting it makes sense from multiple angles. Among those, pleasure seeking is the more obvious one.

Need to pick one for the answer, I'm afraid.

**Update!: The following codes have been updated with bug fixes.** IP.Chat Logs 1.3.1 → 1.3.2 Changes: Delete (single) button works again.

My speech patterns. Need to be more approachable.

Most people are anti-MLP. Helps that a large portion of the forum are feminists (or egalitarian if you prefer) which does not jive with the brony ethos.

The avatar is highly distorted but it would be good otherwise. The sig doesn't stand out either way but it's of a good quality. Do you own a fedora?

You more or less said what I had to say. To answer Soul's question as best I can (in a comprehesive way): Nice Guys™ are manipulative narcissists who blame others when their 'insert kindess for sex' strategies fail. Compare them with pickup artists. They are playing their targets with a relationship in mind. Contrast them with pickup artists. They both very bad at what they are doing and immediately go for the long con. They invented the friendzone to make themselves feel better about their actions and eventual failures. I think there is truth to the claim that actually nice guys end up alone, even if it only gets talked about by misogynists. Females are chemically predisposed to and taught to expect their partner to make the first move. Females who make the first move are few and far between and the ones who do often get shamed for this behavior. Doing so is a risk. When someone does not make a move, they accept that this person has no interest and move to the next natural conclusion for the relationship: they designate them as a friend. Truly nice guys are the same way. Their sumissive personalities cause them to expect their partners to move first, so when that does not happen, they automatically designate them to another part of their life and move on. Submissive males have trouble finding mates because they predominately like women and not many women are domineering enough to make up for the role reversal. The Nice Guy strategy fails because of differences in expectations. We expect different things from different people. Once an impression is formed, it can be hard to break out of. This is one of the reasons first impressions are important. Bosses offer different things from coworkers. Coworkers offer different things from friends. Friends offer different things from love interests. Love interests offer different things from family. We have different expectations and thresholds for each kind of relationship and as such we naturally compartmentalise them into different parts of our lives. Once someone has designated you a friend, that designation solidifies your role in their mind. From then on they will view you in the model of their life as that kind of asset and create a kind of budget for you in their life. Friends are a medium case with about equal benefits and risks. They are useful assets because they have a sense of security and stability that romances do not and come at a much lower cost. Some examples: Arguments are easier to smooth over when less is on the line. Requests can be turned down without much fuss. Distance and time apart does not create worry. Jealousy is less likely to happen. The benefits are many and the costs are a few, making friends easy to change to, but hard to change from. Coworkers can easily become friends, but a friend is not likely to become a coworker again. It is no easier to go from friends to love interests. The stronger the friendship, the harder it will be to change it to anything other than what it is. You could call this a friend zone, because it is one, but it does not have the negative connotation that Nice Guys people put on it when they use their term. It is a natural phenomenon that happens for a good reason: self-preservation. Nice Guys have no understanding of these compartmentalisations and completely misread the expectations others have. In romance, they think that because they expect to be a friend and then change it into a relationship, their target must expect that, too. When their targets inevitably do not, their concept of them as a friend grows stronger the longer the Nice Guy waits to reveal their intent. By the time the Nice Guy expresses their feelings, they have made their bed as a friend and strengthened it every time they did something friendly. They have ruined their own chances. Think of getting kicked out of your house and having someone ask you to have a sleepover, but not invite you to sleep in the same bed when they make the invitation. You make plans and talk about it, they volunteer to buy the necessary materials, and you thank them profusely and make a note to pay them back (as a friend). Then you get there and they only have one bed planned. You ask where yours is and they say they figured you would sleep together. You say no, maybe even thinking they are joking. They get upset and call you out for not being interested despite their good nature. They may even have the gall to say that they are entitled for asking you over and taking care of everything. A genuinely nice guy would let you sleep over and not expect anything or even hope for it. Both they and you would have already ruled each other out as romantic interests when you did not make advances from the start. My two pence.

JPEG distorted images annoy me. And anything to do with spectator sports. Anyone in particular? If so, who?

My sister. Game character, Parrhesia. Game character.

Your avatar accurately depicts this situation.

Never been officially accused of anything. Someone threatened to once, though.

We can't stop now. Seems like you beat me to it.

http://magical-girl-marty.tumblr.com/post/84556785786/prozdvoices-goofy-sings-the-puella-magi-madoka Presented without comment.

Got Hawk with a score of 31...

Yes and no. I feel peaceful because I am moving forward. What about you?

Yes. What avatars/sigs annoy you?