[Teehee Madness 3 - Fire Emblem x Pokemon Linked Ironman!]

Alas I have another paralogue for you all, and probably another for next update before moving on with the story. Sorry for slowing things down like that, but it is a bit in the nature of how Engage was designed.

Spoiler

But I open by...forgetting to screenshot the one Arena levelup I got (on Ivy), so lets move on directly to the story of the next paralogue, and while at first my plan was to do one that is a little bit of a stretch levelwise at this point, I ended up doing one that I only just noticed is a little behind the level curve, and should be a nice easy way to train up some of my troops in preparation for the paralogue I was originally intending.

As it is time to be like the third person on this board to be visiting Genealogy of the Holy war at this time, only this time its just an facsimile of the true thing.

If you say so Mr. conquer and occupy half the continent. I don't even think he ever even tried living in Chalphy with Dierdre...

Although to be fair, he didn't have her with him for very long...

Being real coy about the incestuous details there Sigurd.

I must admit the bits in Genealogy's story talking about the light have always felt a little...off. A little too willing to frame the protagonists as pure good for a story that keeps showing a bit more nuance than that.

Sounds good Sigurd, lets jump into the gameplay then, instead of linger here in another game's story.

Or at the very least the prep works, as I have a bit of a ring change up. Corrin's former wearer has fallen, and while I have a plan for who will take up Zelkov's mantle, I decided Anna can keep the ring warm in the mean time.

And we have a rather comfortably full deployment for this chapter.

In retrospect this wasn't the best initial placement I could have managed, but it will do.

Sigurd is being a bit deceptive here, as he will definitely come to us.

Although we get to deal with cute little mechanic here to simulate the multi-part maps of Genealogy (although this is only really the last half of chapter 10).

Now I open with Anna going for from ranged chip, while setting up some chain attacks before

Panette goes for the kill, with a break to avoid damage.

Although otherwise I am avoiding enemy range

Enemy attack range at least, as the enemy fracture staff will waste all its uses pointless breaking people that wont even see combat. The AI really does not know what to do with the Fracture staff.

Next tuen we have quite a few foes to face, and I open with Anna here longbowing past the magic range...and getting a Hero boosted Dual Assist+ for the kill.

With some similar serendipity Bunet goes for some cafe chip in the south

And show off more of that surprising crit luck that earned him a spot on the team in the first place. This turn is ending up a lot easier than I was expecting...

Ivy can setup the assist for

Fogado to get the three range kill on this slightly difficult to reach one in the north, but in spite of all those hit rates in the 70s thing just keep going my way.

That lets Timerra pick up this rather easy mage kill

And Rosado to round out the turn with a kill on this healer

With a pointless critical flourish just to show off.

Its been going well enough that I can go for a chain guard assisted

Bit of enemy phase action, with Louis and an enemy mage

With the rest of my army pressing in.

So time for a fun fact I learned on this chapter, if you break someone that is chain guarding

It prevenets them from chain guarding. Thankfully I was jut doing the chain guard to reduce damage taken, not as a necessity.

Although that did spook me a little, so this is the only kill I go for on this turn

Although I did set up a bit of enemy phase action

With Louis ignoring all damage in the south

And Anna getting a rare three range counter in the north.

Damn girl, you just manage to pull off an actually relevant 1% critical kill there.

And she earned a solid little levelup from those pro gamer skills of hers.

And after that lucky hit, I test her luck again come player phase

But with far more expected results of hitting one of her 50s, with Bunet missing the kill here too...

Which is enough to convince me to deal with the more immediate threat before wasting more action on that terrain buffed dodger.

And Rosado finishes things with a very expected miss and hit combo for the kill.

After that I just setup

This enemy phase kill on an approaching mage. Although that did get a lot of the remaining troops on my side of the river to start advancing on us

Although they are rather spread out, so I  can open with some chip on this axey

Which gives the kill to Bunet for

A fairly nice levelup.

I finally start trying to use Corrin's...Stone machine? Eh, hopefully this wont be a long term thing.

But in either case, it is setup for a bit of long range enemy phase action.

Although she is shy of the enemy phase kill.

 

So I let Panette pick it up

So she can earn a Strength levelup.

I am playing thing a bit safe due to the love birds in the corner, so I just setup another round of enemy phase action

But with TeeHee support this time for the kill.

Now you are just showing off.

And with the mage dealt with early, I can kill the sniper coming in

With the Solmic siblings

Which lets Timerra pick up a very defensive levelup.

Although it did take a bit of finagling with reposition to get out of meteor range.

That just leaves this pair of mobile mages to deal with, before I need to deal with the immobile group, and the Ishtar Julius pair.

Admittedly getting the last kill with Rosado here means I need a dance to pull off the same reposition trick to escape siege tome range

But I have plenty of actions to pull that off, so it was no problem.

Next turn, I start drawing in Julius and Ishtar for their money, but they are dangerous enough to need some engages, so I don't feel all that bad about opening with the doubles.

Here they come...

RIP Illusory Double. Does that count as a win for Ishtar?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczOyoPr1Pn67E_Dj5icnX93QLksWEYyERZw0vjCebJXLHVUDRgT1zivuouLgB7KTmiKfOhVWB3nGBPF9Cff8k1iJtzteAUqfBWUg86Vd8XCHdMEJf6aezPeputuV7dNR6dnvnreAWINkv4x3fzItjsFnMA=w1280-h720-s-no?authuser=0

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

20 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Although, if we're talking clunkers, methinks Persona would have it the roughest.😛 What's the usual cast size & composition? P5 is NaviGirl, Blonde Girl, Mature Girl, Other Girl, Royal Girl; Bro Guy, Other Guy, "Dating You Might Have... Challenges" Guy? How many viable NPC Confidants? I'd advise avatarsexuality here as a precaution.

I missed this little section before, by the definitive version there is at minimum a Social Link/Confidant (this is including both NPC and party members, and they usually find ways to cheat in an extra 1-2 with alternate Aracana choices) for each of the Major Arcana for the tarot except the world (so starting at about 21), but usually two of those are story based group social links, they tend to not allow dating for people too young or too old (usually about 1-2 of each of these categories), and usually one that isn't human enough to be dateable, and having 1-2 not be datable for other reasons (like they are already married, secretly villainous, in a parental role to the player, etc.). If we ignore gendered restriction that usually put us at about 14 available being common, which sounds like a reasonable enough number to do something with.

 

11 hours ago, Armagon said:

.....but there's no reason why Portable and Reload had to keep it, as well as 4 and 5.

Yeah, it is kind of silly to keep it into Persona 4 and 5.

 

7 hours ago, Sidereal Wraith said:

It’s not going to be a day one purchase for me, if at all. I need more convincing on the story front before I shell out $60.

Fair enough, waiting for reviews (or better yet a sale/price drop) is always a good move from the consumer.

 

37 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Aw hell nah, King Kong is a Green Lantern now.

What kind of Lantern is Godzilla 😛 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

On 3/1/2024 at 6:29 AM, Lightcosmo said:

Yes, yes, yes! I can't echo this enough, Crow.

Bah, men should get as many interesting outfits as the ladies in games.

 

On 3/1/2024 at 8:48 AM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

Wrong - Some might be, but not even close to all. And Rewrites are definitely not "interpretation"

I think that rather depends on the nature of the rewrite, and how expansive you mean by that. As an example, lets talk about a bit of a rewrite in the project Naga translation of Genealogy of the Holy War. In the story segment of the prologue there is a point where the game quotes Sigurd near the end of it, where after hearing about Edain's kidnapping he exclaims "those barbarian", and while that sounds fine in the Japanese, in English it always came off as awkward and tone breaking for the map view wider section of the story. All the older translations were shackled to the more faithful version, and was even a frustrating hurdle when little high school me tried to translate it for funsies (I wouldn't quite get all that far, as it turns out even when you take enough Japanese in high school to try for college credits with the AP, the kind of vocabulary used in an elaborate fantasy feudal drama is not the kind of thing you generally learn, and so much of it was looking up obscure words that it became exhausting). The project Naga translation improved that section of the script by rewriting it to maintain the more distant tone of the rest of that overarching narrative, talking more about Sigurds feeling horrified by the event, and describing a Verdanite horde, rather than be shackled to that awkward exclamation he makes about them being barbarians in response to their actions. Something that I think a lot of people complaining about rewrites miss, these sections of differing translation aren't in isolation; you aren't just conveying information in artistic works like this, you are conveying things like tone, and character, and sometimes you need to make a bit of a departure to better capture what is going on, or emphasize what needs to be emphasized.

 

On 3/1/2024 at 8:48 AM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

The best kind of translator is one who is ....invisible...who you don't see in the product you get.

And outside of extreme examples, that is what we have. Most of the time you have to cross reference multiple sources to notice anything even slightly different...

 

On 3/1/2024 at 8:48 AM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

Stop putting all people in a box.

First off, I am not, I am pointing out that your little group doesn't exist in a bubble disconnected from the rest of the world. Also you are a bit fuzzy with putting yourself in a big box as well with how you talk about fans as a collective.

 

On 3/1/2024 at 8:48 AM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

Ya know, last year during the Engage "drama" - you know who else complained about the translation? small parts of the LGBTQ community - and they pointed out why (The translation in some ways had less LGBTQ than JP version - which is why all the "woke" complaints made me laugh lmao.) - are you gonna put them in the same wave as people who harass translators or alt right bigots? When they don't wanna be near each other and hate each other?

I wouldn't but I could see why people would treat them as part of the same hate mob, especially if both of them were targeting the same individuals. If they were more generally criticizing the game, and localization without targeting individuals, I don't see how that could be mistaken. Its the targeting of individuals where it starts getting weird.

 

On 3/1/2024 at 8:48 AM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

We have very clear & strict guidelines on how to deal with that.

They are not a part of your industry, and probably don't have the same guidelines you follow, and might not even have the external resources that make those guidelines function properly.

 

On 3/1/2024 at 8:48 AM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

I had to because i wasn't even aware of the drama Armagon pointed out - and i am knee deep in animanga and gaming communities and i always get this happening very fast - only to find even said unsavory side not finding the translation bad.

I am not judging you for going to those sites, or knowing about them, or assuming you are a part of them, I am pointing out that the kind of people that organize harassment have similar enough interests in translations, that them using similar talking points to harass people is rather likely. You get so indignant about localizers reacting negatively to your branch of criticism, acting so "unprofessionally" when of course they would, people are using similar talking points to harass them, and sincerity isn't obvious in text form.

 

On 3/1/2024 at 8:48 AM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

And discussing it in gaming forums don't count? Or in review spaces? That's some of the little tools we players/fans have. Making grievances loud and discussing them is a legit way to do so - or might as well delete gaming forums and review spaces because some abuse them.

Sure, that is fine, as long as you don't try singling out some named localizers as a bunch of villains. Really its the weird way you talk about, and treat the personal twitter of these people (and the IRL events, there is something a bit sketch about that too...), that are really sending up redflags.

 

On 3/2/2024 at 3:27 AM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

I got hit by "gamergate" (right wing) and "communism" in the same discussion.

You complain about me strawmanning, and drop this. The comparison isn't to you being right wing, its to your group and the people that were so desperate to talk about ethics in games journalism that they used gamergate as an excuse to really talk about it, and didn't get why they were met with hostility in the middle of a harassment storm.

 

On 3/1/2024 at 2:28 PM, Sidereal Wraith said:

Gentlemen my resolve is falling me. I’m now mildly interested in actually buying Unicorn Overlord out of sheer morbid curiosity, despite feeling that the story is a bit too utilitarian for my tastes. 

Just get the game, you know you want it. If you really aren't sure give the demo a try first.

 

On 3/2/2024 at 6:49 AM, Interdimensional Observer said:

 

I know it'll come off as very sincere given the wall o'text above. But I'm sorry for throwing all this at you.🧎‍♂️ I'll turn down the semi-closeted (not here in our digital surefa (reed huts that people in the marshes of the Tigris have been living in for the past 5000 years), but I certainly ain't living loud & proud IRL 😅), Aspie, introvert, Japanophile nerd gayety now. I promise.😅

Your little walls of text peeking their way out of the closet with the mask of anonymity are really adorable (and I mean that in the best way possible, not to be dismissive), and whenever you feel the need for them, let them lose on the forum.

 

On 3/2/2024 at 10:23 AM, GuardianSing said:

Remembered to add something here. Most census data on the subject shows that the demographics are far more equal with gender, with males only getting a very slight majority and that getting smaller and smaller each year. It only often feels like a male dominated hobby because those are the people who most often dominate the online spaces regarding it which can create an unequal perception on who is actually playing these games most of the time.

Yeah, its funny how much people try to deny, or forget about that noticeable demographic shift. Part of it is just that people treat vidoegames as a far more niche hobby than it actually is nowadays...

 

On 3/2/2024 at 11:32 AM, Interdimensional Observer said:

On the matter of demographics and data, I saw this last month.:

https://glaad.org/glaad-gaming/2024/

I haven't actually read it, just the Eurogamer article summary on it.:

https://www.eurogamer.net/nearly-1-in-5-gamers-are-lgbt-says-new-glaad-study

1452 self-reported PC/console gamers in the US sounds both like a small sample size and obviously limited in global scope. But limited data is better than none?

Now that is a very interesting demographic detail...

 

On 3/2/2024 at 11:43 AM, Armagon said:

>Half the QRTs actually defending this

There could be a Persona game in which if you press the wrong button, it bricks your console and there will somehow be Persona fans defending it.

Of all the Persona games, Persona 3 has by far the most narratively justifiable reason for MC death to lead to a game over, its just really spoilery...If you really are curious see spoiler box below

Spoiler

Ten years before the game the MC's body was used to seal in an incomplete form of the shadow representing the 13 arcana Death. The release of this shadow of Death would let it take on its role as the herald of the end of humanity, so letting the MC fall too early would be triggering an end of the world situation.

 

 

16 hours ago, Armagon said:

Personally, if it was me, i'd simply live. Death ain't got no hold on me, i'd simply Regenerate.

I'm simply built different.

Alright Armagon the Time Lord, sadly us mere humans don't have that luxury 😛 

 

13 hours ago, Armagon said:

Wait.......so that wasn't his stomach he was attacking me with.........oh no...........Ohhhhhhhhh noooooooooooooooo

Never seen any of the classical Japanese images of Tanuki's and them using their massive ball sacks for ridiculous things? Honestly, try to look some of them up, they are very silly.

 

6 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

What I’m saying, is that now I think I can better understand what restrictions add. Some would say “realism”, I’ll just call it “weight”.

I guess the talk on this forum about mechanical bisexuality has become more relevant as you played. Its nice to see you come to appreciate my view on it a bit more.

I did stumble upon a slightly related youtube video relatively recently (while checking out Hbomberguy's recommendations at the end of his plagiarism video...), and almost shared it before, but its far more focused on bisexuality and poly. It is in the same ballpark at least, so I will leave it in the spoiler box if you are curious

Spoiler

 

 

6 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

 

…How is a game that is noooooowhere near masterpiece status, getting me to do so much thinking?😣 Because I’m one helluva an oddball.😑

If you waited for masterpieces to think about, and discuss games, games analysis would be a far more boring space. Even garbage can lead to interesting insights, so dig deep and find those diamonds of meaning in the rough.

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

16 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

I never said retranslations happening being the norm - but i still stand by bad localizations being the norm, and happening much more often than they should. Quite a few examples i mentioned weren't about retranslations, either - and i don't know why you understood them as such.

Because you claimed that behavior was the norm, and then doubled down when I pointed out that you were cherry picking some very extreme behavior as the norm. Although as I said in the post, you did soften from this extreme claim.

 

16 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

I am not justifying harassment - i am justifying the localizations complaints and grievances - these are not harassment. Stop strawmaning legit complaints are harassment.

I am treating it like harassment, because you keep making it sound like harassment is going on, the Japanese tweet in the thread about localizer makes it sounds harassment is very normal at the moment, and the response you are describing from the localizers makes it sound like they are responding to harassment too. Add to that you having to look onto unsavory site to get more details about localization drama, which I suspect are the kind of site that regularly organize harassment campaigns, and it makes me suspect harassment is a notable part of this whole campaign of complaints. For a while here I have been taking you a bit at your word that a fair number of the people you are championing aren't meaning for this to cascade into harassment, but it sounds like they are failing. It seems a lot like they are surfing in with legitimate complaints on a wave of harassment, and getting indignant when they are rightfully treated like a part of the wave they rode in on.

 

12 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

• And "not everyone has to be into you", stings for the queer community. Since for the five decades that video games have been around, queer love has been rare, practically nonexistent outside of non mega-niche gaming for most of the time. And while its presence is increasing, it's still not as prevalent as it should be. It's one thing to say the anime girls shouldn't all be falling over a het male protagonist, since such stories been soooo commonplace and very "mainstreamed" in anime gaming. But the queers (and really, the straight women outside of otomes too) haven't had harems in games where they shouldn't belong.

In the context of games that let you have a choice in who the player dates romantically (outside of dating sims where it was the primary feature of the game) mechanically bi characters were rather common by at least the early-mid 2000s, both because it was easier to code it that way, and it was a very common instance of a bug becoming a feature in a surprising number of very high profile games (The Sims, and Fable immediately come to mind of examples of that)

 

11 hours ago, Lightchao42 said:

I like how GF skipped to Kalos because it suggests they wanted to make it because have an interesting idea, rather than just giving it another game out of obligation like what happened with BDSP. I don't know if LZA will have anything to do with the ancient war or not, but I'm interested in seeing if 'A' refers to a new Legendary.

The Legends game has been one of the freshest takes on the series the Pokemon Company have bother with, so in a way I am not that surprised that they are willing to be so bold with this next entry. The A is probably a reference to AZ, but they have certainly been willing to introduce new legendaries to the Legends game, so perhaps we do have a new letter legendary incoming (perhaps one to replace Arceus, the Alpha Pokemon's role...)

 

5 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

If a mistake happens from client side and i have to do stuff again (which happens to me, daily, and right now as i am writing lol) my company gets extra money, i don't, and i have to do work again. If a mistake happens from our side, i also have to do work again, and no extra compensation  - and it's the client/consumer's right to complain then - it's not harassment.

Did you hire this localizer to localize the game? If not how would that put you in the same role are your client in this situation? If someone who purchased one of your client's product tried to circumvent your client to dictate how you should do your job for your client, would that be reasonable?

 

5 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

And this doesn't just apply to Translations mind you - players or fans wanting the product to be good and complaining about bugs/bad games/etc. is not harassment - and the fact that the game industry or media industry is shit is not the fans' fault. Yeah yeah fan demands and capitalism and such - but maybe put the blame on the lack of labour protection laws and not the fans

I am not saying you shouldn't complain,or that your complaints have no merit at all, but when you start targeting specific named people to be the recipient (and villain) of all those complaints, and start sending them together with a bunch of people online, without passing through any medium to filter down the more extreme response coming in (like sending it through the company they worked for, or to a specific space they set aside for complaints, etc.), it is very difficult to keep that from cascading into harassment. Not impossible, but I am not seeing that kind of care being taken here.

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

21 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

communication with good and beloved localizers happen more often than you think (infact, just witnessed one happen yesterday)

Admitting good localizers exist in your world of localizations so bad that going behind creators backs, and fan backlash causing games to be retranslated being the "norm" sounds like a softening of the extreme echo chamber induced bias about other side bad my side good you kept spewing about localizers and fan communities.

 

50 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

but i guess a biased view from outside makes the world easy for you. The other side bad, my side good. 

Every time you talk about it, you send up redder, and redder flags about this situation not being on the up and up. From early on when you tries to frame this whole thing about needing to justify the behavior as OK because these were somehow work twitters, and admitted through your own action that it was normal for people not to even try to distinguish between personal and work twitters, to the more recent need to justify the behavior as OK because they "started it", to painting such extreme scenarios for how dire the official localization scene is that such drastic measures were needed. If you knew the community's behavior was actually OK, you wouldn't need to keep inventing justifications for why the behavior is OK in this special case.

If I have a bias in this, its that I have seen through experience that most official localizations are just fine, some could be better, some could be worse, but it definitely isn't dire enough to harass people about it.

 

6 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

And of course gotta end it with a straw man.

You might actually bother to read the comment, as it is relevant to

20 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

and criticism ain't just harassment and death threats.

what you are obviously missing here. I included the comment for a reason, not to compare what you are describing to Gamer Gate (if I were doing that it would have been a much longer post, as there are quite a few points of comparison, although I don't think the similarities amount to more than things similar to most online harassment campaigns).

 

[Which FEs have the best and worst character design, in your opinion?]

21 hours ago, Shanty Pete's 1st Mate said:

 

On top of that, in the endings, the women don't get as many political opportunities. Ares goes on to rule Augustria, while Shannan takes over Isaach. Altenna would make perfect sense as a ruler of a unified Thracia - daughter of the north, raised in the south - but of course, that title goes to Leif. And otherwise, it's usually "<insert character's> son" taking over a country or house. I.e. Jamke's son ruling Verdane, or Claud's son running Edda. There are a few exceptions, but usually, the women just follow their husbands. Having the "paramount leader" of Grannvale, at Belhalla, being a woman, would be a neat counterbalancing force.

Jugdral has a male preference style of succession, but does allow women to inherit, so with enough deaths you can get women on all the thrones (except Seliph's). In case you are curious, Larcei rules Isaach if both Shannan and her brother dies, Nanna rules Augustria if both Ares and Delmund die, Altenna rules Thracia if Leif dies, Jamke/Lewyn's daughters rules Verdane/Silessia if the sons die. Also I will note that a woman inheriting a throne (even a mere dukedom) always supersedes them going with their husband in the endings.

 

15 hours ago, ARMADS!!! said:

 

 Woke: Make Shannan x Oifrey an option (but seriously, these two should have a paired ending - whether romantic, platonic, ambiguous, or whatever- in a remake, they were friends for some 20 years and went throught a lot together, also in virtue of letting both have more than one ending (that isn't creepy), c'mon, even if the ending is just "they kept being friends and exchanged letters sometimes!")

I love this idea, and I can't fault the logic behind it.

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

38 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

And while harassment is an issue yes, questioning and having problems with the translations are not "harassment". You are just collectively deciding everyone complaining is "harassing".

Who are you trying to fool with this cherry picking of the handful of "good" eggs (in "" as many like to look like they are from the outside even when they aren't) in the basket as a reason to condemn the actions of localizers, while pretending these localizers aren't responding to the far more numerous bad eggs already thrown at them. You should know the internet well enough to see what is going on. I am reminded of a comment about Gamer Gate, even those not sending death threats and rape threats benefit from the terror caused by those that are.

 

12 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Side note but with official localization companies such as Crunchyroll making an active move towards AI translations, I guarantee we're gonna start seeing more fantranslations again.

Oh boy, that is going to be rough for those watching Crunchyroll.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

On 2/27/2024 at 10:44 AM, Saint Rubenio said:

I can't believe you used a vehicle. I'm going to assume you heard of this at the city, but people walk for days through northern Spain until they get to Santiago on foot. They call that the Path of Santiago. It's actually a rather big cultural deal in Spain.

Heck, even I know that one. One of my cousins spent a while in Spain, and I think he ended up walking the Path of Santiago at some point. He had a funny story about the Pope giving out indulgences for those taking the Path of Santiago and trying to get them to forgive the sin of being an atheist from it for the laughs.

 

On 2/27/2024 at 1:12 PM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

No, it's the norm, and honestly, and after how many examples i post - which i did quite plenty in the different talks of loc issues we had - it's beyond "cherry picking".

It really isn't. To use the example I know best of the ones you posted, FE games, there hasn't been a moment where they had to fix a translation after release after massive outcry, or talk about the localizers going behind anyone's back to change things. Sure it isn't perfect, and never will be due to the interpretive nature of localization, but things are nowhere as dire as you paint them.

 

On 2/27/2024 at 1:12 PM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

am i putting where i work at and talking about my personal work experience?

There's quite a few different levels between "Imma complain about work in general here" and "I will talk about all details of work here and hate on anyone who asks questions".

If i post here where i work at and my real name and complain about work specific stuff and hate on all the clients openly like these people do you are free to call me out (and most likely i would be rightfully fired by then)

Or maybe call me out when i respond to your work related questions by swearing at you 🙂

For someone who hates the monotony of work, you are really bending yourself over backwards to justify why localizer should have no complaints about a bunch of strangers on the internet trying to prevent them from having any time off from their work, or the monetary compensation that would normally come with doing all this extra work.

 

On 2/27/2024 at 1:12 PM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

And i do find your view also massively skewed towards official localizations - and in fact almost everyone's here. I still follow fan translation groups in alot of niche media - there's alot of drama, but also alot of community input and love. yet without them the series wouldn't be even known here nor would there be an official localization. And if there's one, fan groups need to fix it anyway as it ends up being subpar.

And without the era of fan translations, most of us wouldn't be even here.

There are more problems with the wild west of fan translation than official localizations, but you don't see me talking about harassing fanslators online to try and solve those issues. Also you are really dismissing the role official translations had in why most of us are here; I doubt you can find many people here who didn't either play an officially translated FE game or Smash Bros game to introduce them to the series before they dove into fanslations. You need both.

 

On 2/27/2024 at 1:54 PM, Saint Rubenio said:

 

Well, of those three fanslations, two were so excruciatingly deplorable that I dropped both mangas in large part because of them. The doofuses were translating from English, so badly that I could just read the Google Translate every other sentence. Unironically, I could've done a better job.

Its less common than that in English, but I have definitely seen quite a few manga chasing the first to translate views with English so bad that I wondered if anyone other than google knew English in the translation team. Honestly, I was surprised by Shrimpy trying to paint manga fanslation as in a better position than videogames, when it has some very serious (if slightly different) issues with it as well (I guess anime was included in the portmantau used, and I haven't payed enough attention to them recently enough to really judge).

 

On 2/27/2024 at 2:10 PM, Newtype06 said:

 

Context: I started a game as the Count of Anglesey in 769 and quickly formed Brythoniaid (Wales) and established a foothold in Lloegyr (*ngland). A generation later, the Empire of Prydain is formed and my goal of purging all traces of Anglo-Saxon culture from the islands begins in earnest.

On a related note, the Charlemagne start date SUCKS ASS! If you're not playing as Charlie with Story Events on, Asturias or as the Byzzies trying to restore Rome, Central Europe degenerates into heresies, paganism and bordergore shitshow. And it gets even worse if the Umayyads form Hispania and invade Aquitaine (this happens 99% of the time).

Oddly enough, I think I have seen the opposite problem more with the 769 start, where all of western Europe consolidates into a super HRE, unless the player is close enough to kill it in its infancy.

 

On 2/27/2024 at 2:34 PM, Newtype06 said:

I LOST MY SRW J SAVE, NO!!!!!!!!

Oof...

 

On 2/27/2024 at 3:58 PM, GuardianSing said:

The saddest part about this death is that I never got to see her promoted animations.

It does suck how NPCs have battle animations off, but I am slightly glad to see Quan outlive her there, so you got to see Travant threaten the Gae Bolg out of Quan's hands.

 

On 2/27/2024 at 3:58 PM, GuardianSing said:

 

I- How did you get here?

Lol, I guess they figured you were done with promoting by this point.

 

On 2/27/2024 at 3:58 PM, GuardianSing said:

 

Personally if feel that if you're gonna make a game where the player gets to decide who marries who, you should just make everyone bisexual at that point, why limit yourself, they're gonna write fanfiction about it anyways.

Personally, I would prefer to see NPC sexuality used to characterize them a bit more. Make some of them actually gay, not just bi for the protagonist. Even more extreme, I think it would be interesting if some characters weren't interested in the player in spite of them showing interest in other people of the same gender.

 

On 2/27/2024 at 4:25 PM, Lightchao42 said:

The next game will be either Johto or Unova related-- By Arceus, it's Zygarde with a steel chair!

I thought Pokemon Legends Celebi to be more likely (Celebi is the time travel pokemon...), but with Kalos's ancient war, I knew it would be ripe for an early Legends entry, and thought it more likely than anything Unova related.

 

19 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

So just throwing some ideas...

Just a pair of flame emperors trying to make the world a better place by cracking a few good eggs 😛 

 

19 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

Give Ethlyn a side quest to get her daughter back so she can be in Thracia 1776 or whatever it's called.

Hey now, the "In America" translation has been outdated for a while now 😛 

Although on a less silly note, there was some talk early in development about a third arc to the game, about the second generation exploring what became of the first generation after the time skip, and this sounds like it could have fit into that older scrapped plan nicely.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

7 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

But putting the blame solely on the fans when they get backlash and attacked for asking simple question is ignoring what's happening. I didn't say death threats are ok, don't put words in my mouth.

You don't start talking about who started things when all people are throwing around is reasonable questions...

 

7 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

No

They started by attacking anyone who dare question their work (which is a normal thing in any work environment).

These question aren't being asked in a work environment. If I were to guess, this point is why these questions are met with such hostility, as most people don't like their personal time-off repeatedly invaded with "work questions" that they aren't being paid to respond to.

How would you respond to strangers trying to turn your weekend into unpaid overtime responding to innumerable lay people's complaints about your work?
 

7 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

It even happens outside twitter and in more spaces  actually relevant for such questions. Even real life events a simple question got met by name calling and humilation by localizers instead of responding.

You make it sound like one of these people stalked one of the localizers, to then bring their twitter harassment to them in person.

Am I reading that right, did someone not get a response on twitter, track down a place the localizer was appearing in person, all to then force them to answer the question in person? Was this name calling the localizer accurately describe that behavior as rather creepy, and stalker-like?

 

7 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

And if they involve their personal twitter in work stuff, it ain't personal twitter anymore.

When you complain about work here, does that make this a work account for you too?

Does other people posting questions about your work against your wishes forcefully transforms a personal account into a work one?

 

7 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

FE is filled with bad loc

Gunvolt was a mess before a relicalization

All of NIS' library

Sci;Adv stuff

And that's just 3 seconds of thinking without me even searching or really thinking about it. And don't let me start on animanga

I am guessing the bit of context where you are laying down some very extreme and specific cherry picked behavior as the norm there (specifically localization that went behind the original creator's back to intentionally change things, or received so much backlash the original creator intervene to "fix" them) was lost between posts.

 

7 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 in fangroups there're efforts to fix bad translations quite often - not to mention i have to pay for the first, but not the second

And you're understimating how fangroups are the ones who made everything we talk about here even available and popular - without them jp stuff wouldn't have become as popular (especially the more niche stuff) nor would we even be talking about it here right now.

I have lived through enough fan translation efforts that die on the vine or in drama to know there is a lot more chaff than there is gold in fan translation. Hell the translation with Eltosian in it died well before it was finished; it took almost 20 yrs to get a Genealogy of the Holy War translation all the way to the ending, and it still pretends it is in beta despite no updates in years; and it would depress me to think about how many Thracia Translation projects I got excited about over the years before they silently died without releasing anything, and even when one finally did get results it explded into drama. The ones that make something even slightly reasonable (I pointed out in the last post some clear places where a lot of things came into existence that weren't reasonable) are not the norm. I find your view massively skewed by the survivorship bias of fan translation groups.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

On 2/25/2024 at 12:24 PM, GuardianSing said:

What a coincidence.

To think people questioned GuardinanSing's divine right to rule with such evidence of the divine smiling on them.

 

On 2/25/2024 at 3:37 PM, Armagon said:

Seeing a goofy-ass mfer on Twitter start Unicorn Overlord localization discourse. This is what he's mad about

FF Tactics did the exact same thing and people love that game but annoying mfers on Twitter lose their shit if things aren't 1:1.

With a snap of my fingers, every annoying mfer who complains about localization not being direct 1:1 will cease to exist and the sun will rise on a grateful universe.

Ah the pettiness of localization complaints, in full display here. They aren't even trying to disguise the pettiness this time.

 

On 2/25/2024 at 5:39 PM, GRANDGOBO said:

Hi, I’m new to this site it looks like this is a popular chatroom? I don’t know. Is this about Unicorn Overlord right now? I saw something about it being Vanillaware related 

Welcome to the forum, and there has definitely been a fair bit of Unicorn Overlord talk going on recently. Although there is plenty of random videogame talk from Crusader Kings, Fire Emblem games, to plenty of play logs of SRW games etc, so feel free to talk about whatever game (or other thing, like books, or what ever) has drawn your fancy recently.

 

21 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

I-It all happened so fast.

Damn, and then you win a defensive crusade out of no where? That is kind of impressive, as those things can cascade into a real disaster.

 

21 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

 

The OG Khan had already died before I checked the leader screen but apparently he was called Temujin 'the Feeble' which is incredibly funny.

That is kind of funny, but I guess that feebleness was not a detriment to their overwhelming conquests.

 

13 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

The producer approved, the opposite of what I heard about Metal Gear Solid 1. The original PS1 translation wasn't direct, which Kojima didn't like, so the GameCube remake MGS: The Twin Snakes was made with a more literal translation.

OMG, is that obsessive control why this occurs throughout the series...

These hilariously pointless repeated question are so normal in Japanese and so very silly in English...

Although that does clash oddly with how aggressively hands-off Hideo Kojima went with that remake. There were interviews with him and the director of the remake about Kojima telling the director to intentionally depart from the original's feel and tone. Kojima said he trusted the man, and wanted to experiment with how changes in directorial vision would impact the remake, and he even had to quash the far more faithful remake that was originally planned.

 

11 hours ago, Acacia Sgt said:

Interestingly, he still said the localization was "closer to the Japanese text" than the direct translation. That's a curious distinction to make.

The languages are different enough that direct translations tend to imply thing they shouldn't between them. From the way the passive voice is treated, the gendering of spoken language (I am talking about things like Ore here, or other way casual Japanese tends to reveal the speakers gender), the way subjects are so often implied in Japanese, the intimacy of the 2nd person in Japanese...I feel I could keep going, but a direct translation often veers away from, or misses important aspects of meaning, that often have to be interpreted.

To spin things on their heads, how would you translate the difference in English between calling something a Murder, and calling it a Homicide?

 

11 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

as pointed out - cherry picking.

Its just as much cherry picking

11 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

See Ys 8, or the BL manga i talked about a while ago. And that's just the tip of the iceberg

as these two very specific examples are...

 

8 hours ago, Armagon said:

 

I may have just witnessed a public execution.

This really does sum up what I feel a vast majority of localization complaints boil down to.

 

8 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

And fan-tl's don't just do that - they actually engage with the community and receive feedback - unlike some localizers that only seem intent on pissing off fans. You massively undervalue'ing the work fantranslator do and did. Most of the jp games you play and animanga you read/watch wouldn't be here without the fan translation era - and the decensoring of the bullshit we faced back then.

You really like putting fan-tl on a pedestal, when I have seen plenty garbo fan translations pushed out just to be the first, that don't give a shit about anything else, fans or otherwise. Hell you don't even have to leave Fire Emblem to see how imperfect fan translators can be, just look at the history of Thracia 776 with its old "in America" one, to the drama Project Exile had.

 

2 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

But the localizers have the power here and they startes the whole mess

What are your trying to say with this?

 Are you trying to say its OK to send death threats and harass people online because they "started it" by translating something in a way that someone else doesn't like? Is failing to create a localization that every human on earth believes is the best one possible, really "starting things" ?

Are they "stating the whole mess" by allowing people to harass them by having to have a twitter account for networking purposes?

Is responding to people spamming repeated questions on your person twitter, who do not bothering to check if you have a professional twitter account, or some official channels for asking those questions, "starting things" now?

[Teehee Madness 3 - Fire Emblem x Pokemon Linked Ironman!]

On 2/9/2024 at 12:44 PM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

One of the highest in the series (seen somewhere the highest after Tellius, but not sure)

That wouldn't surprise me. I know they gave every single boss in Path of Radiance a battle convo with Ike simply for the heck of it.

 

On 2/9/2024 at 12:44 PM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

I just noticed Hero Panette

That's certainly a choice - and probably benefits from her high sky STR and fixes her SKL/SPD?

Its mostly just that I wanted to have at least one of my backup units be a hero for their level 5 skill. Anna is leaning heavily on the bow access Warrior gives, and I like the Quad-strike Sandstorm combo with Timerra, so Panette felt like the one that would be best to make a hero.

 

On 2/9/2024 at 12:44 PM, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

I will wait until you do the next chapter before continuing

Sorry it took me so long, I meant to get this out well over a week (almost two at this point) ago...

 

Also sorry everyone, its time for me to break my no personal death streak...

Spoiler

I open with

This excellent arena levelup from Alfred,

And a far more subdued one from Ivy.

I am still saving that last expert book, so I spend an Adept one and 4 Novice to unlock

Another Dual Assist+ on the team. With that out of the way its time for some actual story

Sombron know which ring is good enough to earn top billing

Despite this ring being stolen first.

Despite all Zephia's scheming to make bizarro Veyle the real one, it has simply strengthened true Veyle's resolve.

All this "true nature" having to be forces upon Veyle is giving me some real forced conversion "therapy" vibes.

...That crown is giving me some real Rita Repulsa vibes to go with the general Power Ranger feel of Engage.

Yeah, I really can't shake the conversion therapy vibe, so having a father talk about correcting something in there kid is feeling especially slimy.

I never got the impression she saved it for the right time.

I guess this must a touchy subject for the Fell Dragon, given her reticence in asking.

What a brutal answer.

What a strange way to talk about a question you asked. I think I get the sentiment, but fact feels like the wrong word here, perhaps objectivity would be better, but I guess it is a bit of a mouthful.

It did feel odd that she didn't lead with that.

So many flies sacrificed for the old man's ambition.

Really, are they trying to stoke the evil of the older player avatar now.

I can see why you would forget TeeHee, it isn't even a real name. On a less jokey note, I do think the time travel scene with Zephia does a good job of explaining why she doesn't quite remember TeeHee in spite of their previous accomplishments.

They do an excellent job of making Sombron seem like an emotionally distant monster.

And you have to respect his knowledge of the tropes

Because he know that a hero isn't dead til you have their cold and dead body in your grubby little hands.

It feels odd that they still have their finest after the burning of the only port we see, but I guess there must be other important off screen ports they can draw upon.

You jinxed it Alfred, as soon as you said that, this map was spawned.

It does seem extremely odd that the Solmic and second Firene invasion really wasn't tied into that "sovereign blood" plot point. Its like this line is some remnant of when that was a more prominent plot point for this arc of the game.

It would be rather shocking to have roughly half the world's monarchs dead since this game began...

This comes across so oddly, like this is something that is unusual enough to be praiseworthy.

TeeHee is such an optimist. What did they think occurred in all those Brodian-Elusian wars when an army reached an enemy city?

I appreciate that they take a moment to plan out the coming campaign, at least to the point that we aren't just blindly stomping our way to the capital,

And are instead taking the time to scout ahead, and figure things out before stumbling into them. Or at least that is the plan

As anyone that plays these games know, knowledge is power.

We are also worried about Veyle, but in spite of Ivy's warning, Zephia actually kind of sucks at the whole erasing personalities thing. She already tried that on Veyle in that last arc, and it just made the personality she was trying erase even stronger, and even with Sombron's cheater crown, it still ends up failing.

...Hmm, it is interesting to see this sentiment here. Usually one would see "I was mind controlled into killing your mom" as the kind of circumstance that would change things

I guess it is enough for TeeHee to keep sympathizing with her.

And now its starting to cross over into a far more boring direction

Although I do love the callous caution of Timerra to reel us all back in. It says something about the Queendom of Freedom, that their royals are so prepared for betrayal...

Sigh. It wouldn't be an FE player Avatar without them being overly trusting.

Oh right, there is map to do after all this story content

And it is just a random boat map...

Alright, we had an odd deployment last time, so there is a fair bit of ring management, with TeeHee putting Byleth back on

Timerra reclaims my boy Leif.

I rearm the Fogado sniper rifle

I turn back on the fog machine.

And while deployment is a lot more reasonable on this map, I am leaving behind Bunet, so Merrin was the obvious chioce for Lucina.

And for similar reasons, I have Alfred take Sigurd this time.

This time its my two tanky boys of Loiuse and Bunet staying on the bench. Too much magic on this boat to make me feel comfortable with them here.

I did change up my starting position a bit for my opening.

Ehh...they are a lot more for next chapter instead of this one.

We also get to see the last minute old man character of Lindon.

And look at all the recruitment flags he is flying. If only there were more Elusians here like him, but alas its just inexplicably repeated boss guy instead.

Time to open this map off with a bang, by immediately sniping the west magic artillery,

And thanks to a dance (don't worry Seadall can canter back to safety).

I can shut that magical artilery down by having Zelkov fog the whole damnable thing up.

In the east I can burn the bodies a few of these fellows

With Ivy getting in some free chip with Thunder, while cantering out of any danger

The only other thing to point out before enemy phase is that I am baiting an enemy bow in with Fogado, but I have made an incredibly obvious mistake

Its that Zelkov is facing way too many chain attacks

And the mages are still technically able to hit him.

If he had only manged to dodge both the 20%...or if I had went out of my way to grab the dual guard skill already, he would of been fine, but alas

...I feel really bad for killing off that beautiful Milotic immediately after it evolved.

In better news, Fogado was just fine in his little sniper duel, but just barely misses the enemy phase kill

I do also want to point out that while I very stupidly lost Zelkov, he did have a bit better than a 64% chance of survival (had both mages missed their 20% he would have been fine...), and he did his job successfully. I will never have to deal with the western magic ballistae, as all the mages on that side are dead now.

But we have something a bit pressing to deal with in the north.

Fortunately both of my bows were already up there to deal with them.

Although Fogado did draw in a little extra guff with his sniper duel, so Rosado goes for a free break

I let Timerra clean up after her brother, while her wonderful knight

Finishes off the broken swordsman.

Ivy can then finishe off the last enemy I need to deal with from the east this turn.

As for the west, TeeHee can break this Killer Axe brat

Before killing him with a dance.

And with some last minute healing

And like that we finish the turn without need for any enemy phase action.

Although we are now on a bit of a timer, to utterly crush the west before this bandit escapes with the really precious goods.

So I start by roasting a man in his armor.

Alfred goes for some fun override chip

Oh there is also another enemy from the west that has crossed onto out boat, to further emphasize what side I need to utterly crush right now. These Kill Axe guys are rather tanky,

But she lucked into the crit kill there, but we are in a bit of a tight spot here.

Timerra can at least deal with the nuisance from the other si-

Should have known. I guess I can finish it with

Trusty Rosado for the kill.

Back in the more southern group, I have Anna get in some longer range chip on the enemy sniper

So Panette can finish him off, and setup for

My big Goddess Dance.

Which earned TeeHee this absolutely fabulous levelup.

That lets Ivy roast another armor (she even managed to dodge the retaliatory shot from the spear)

Anna can then Radiant bow the hand axe to death, which just leaves

One last axe for Panette to kill for free with a break. With that dealt with, its time for some extravagent maneuvers with my spare actions

Like summoning a few doubles to bait enemies

And spearing a random mage multiple boats away with some Sigurd actoin

Although he did need some dancing support to escape retaliation.

And so we ends things with another slow enemy phase, as the only action

Is the death of some doubles...but that lead to its own unique little problem as Lindon is on the move, so I have to be a little gentle when dealing with the east

But I can still be as viscous as I want with the remnants of the west.

Framme even gets in on the butt kicking

And crits to emphasize how little she chaffs against the role of healer when she has so much murder to contain.

Although its time to try and deal with the nuisance my illusory double drew in. This isn't a great start, but thanks to a Dual Assist + I nab the kill anyway. Thank goodness, because that guy is very deep into Lindon's range

But to avoid his range this turn, I am going to need a longbow shot as well.

Although Merrin can grab the kill on the closer one.

I then think of Sigurd potentially having a three move canter...and forget that Alfred isn't actually at the bond level to have that yet, so this was a lot more dangerous chip than I intended, but I can still fix this.

As long as Fogado gets all his hits in here...

Beautiful work for that levelup. He can then canter away from Lindon

And I can reposition Alfred back to safety just fine. Although that turn was uncomfortably close to a disaster.

The only enemy phase action I even pretend to prepare for is Panette in range of the thief, but it doesn't even try for the free hit.

As Lindon charges in, I realize Ivy was just a little too far out for the recruit, so I reposition her

That way I don't have to use my dance recruiting the old man.

It is interesting how they introduce this odd question of inheritance right here in a recruitment.

Especially after they confirm that brother was alive when he claimed the throne.

Poor old man never made enough to retire.

No kidding, as we are about to see the zombified corpse of a nation real soon...

Now we finally get the old man on our side...hmmm...should I make Saint Rubenio's day and have him act as a replacement...

This is something that probably should come up more when you recruit a red unit...

What an old fasioned view on nations.

Back to the map, TeeHee dramatic pull a speed wing out of this thief's throat like we are in Assassin's Creed.

While Merrin silences the other magic turret.

For a levelup that is defensive, and thus out of character for the murder dog.

Finally I reload Fogado's sniper rifle...

With the only enemy I prepare for being

Panette drawing in a sniper from the bottom of the western ship.

Although some brand new reinforcments make things a bit dicey for out force in the west

Especially after Anna utterly whiffs the one shot.

At least TeeHee can still Wyrmslayer one of them

Panette can finish of the sniper she drew

For about the most murderous levelup you can get.

Additionally some wyverns I have been ignoring in the south finally start to move, so I have Alfred break one

There are also some tanky boys coming in from the south of the easter boat as well, and while I am hoping for the crit kill here

That isn't ideal either...but I think it is enough.

So I start by finishing off the first one I chipped

Contain your murder a bit girl, you are scaring all the regular solider with your only crit kill combo.

Such a physical levelup for her.

That takes care of another one

I was kind of hoping for the Dual Assist kill there, but alas no dice

Fortunately I still have plenty of action to finish him off with.

I can even go a bit overkill by dancing Fogado

To snipe that wyvern on the other side of the map that Anna missed. Truth be told this was probably unnecessary, as I was able to canter into a defensive position that would keep everyone over there alive, but

Now I don't even have to think about enemy phase.

We are getting close to the end of this thing, as Fogado makes one Wyvern evaporate.

Merrin then softens up one of the last enemies in the south

So Alfred can claim a kill

For an ...Good? levelup. I guess I will call it good.

Like that there is just a tiny group to the south west, the boss's posse in the north east

And one last chest to grab before I end things off.

With both groups pressing in, Anna is just a bit shy of the armored kill with her Radiant Bow

But she still managed to get...a levelup I guess.

It was enough for TeeHee to be able to Armorslayer it to death

Fogado can lure in the Boss's posse with some doubles

While TeeHee gets ready for a little bit of enemy phase action of their own.

To waste such a dramatic line on a double. In some ways I guess that is fitting, as your un touched upon return is as illusory as the double

Meanwhile, TeeHee cripples their foe without taking a hit.

Which lets Anna claim the kill this time.

On the boss side of things, I let Fogado burn through the first health bar all on his own.

I will definitely take that...although with how much work he is getting out of that extra Radiant bow the well gifted me, some more magic would be nice too.

I might as well milk the bosses troops of all their exp as well, as Rosado gets the kill here with a Dual Assist (+) proc

For a solid little levelup on the kill.

Alfred then softens up the mage so

Timerra can get the clean kill on it.

Seadall then levels while dancing Timerra, before she

Before she quadruple hits the Lumera out of this boss

And with 4 hits, I knew the Sandstrom proc for the kill was almost inevitable

RIP random repeating boss.

Oh whoops, did you accidentally get one of Ivy levelups from that kill 😛 

Cruel as it is to say, Zelkov deserves MVP for his brave sacrifice this time.

Ivy even has this sad remark to say at his passing...

But we can't morn quite just yet, as the last bit of story is just in sight

And a sad sight it has become with Sombron nibbling at its bones.

We are still planning on investigating before marching in...but sadly the dead will have few tales for us

So now we get this silly little Emblem meeting

It did always seem really odd that these are two seperate things. I know it is so the villain can gain one boon, and the heroes the other, but the whole framing of it feels so odd.

Alas the avatar's mom isn't quite special enough for a miracle, only the avatar themselves is.

I appreciate this moment of long term thinking. These Emblems hava already lived for thousands of years, and have plenty of reason to believe they will live for thousands of years, so the long term consequences of the "miracle" should be a real concern for them, as they will have to live through those consequences.

I also appreciate how there is a split between those that had personal contact with Lumera over 1000 years, and those that didn't.

It does make you wonder about what they even know about this miracle they have never performed.

And with that the chapter is done. I might do another paralogue, as the misma and warp trap chapter is a ratherr dangerous one to deal with...

 

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

5 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

What a fun world that would be to live in.

 

3 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

Reclaiming Britannia from these three tumors may be difficult.

Now that is a real nuisance. Your best bet is waiting til the HRE is distracted by some larger war (or somehow arranging for the whole damn place to explode into rebellions and succession crisises, but that is difficult to really pull off from the outside) and hoping you can gobble the thing up while they are all distracted. Also being able to consolidate on your forces on your island, and catch your foes while they are landing might give you edge for whatever larger force the HRE sends to crush you.

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

15 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

 

I didn't even see that as a typo I just genuinely misread that. Curse my dyslexia, I started that whole debate for nothing!

The debate may have had a little heat behind it, but I think it went to some interesting places. Aslo it mhgit not be dxelyisa, tehre is taht wlel konwn sudty aobut how ploepe can raed wrods as lnog as the fsirt and lsat lteter are the smae, and it has all the rgiht leettrs in it.

 

15 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

I completely forgot that they were related. Prey tell what are the details.

I probably should have asked about the Bridget and Andre battle conversation too, as theirs is a more interesting one, but here is the one between Lex and his dad.

Quote

Langobalt: L-Lex... Vile traitor!

You would turn your Axe on your own Father?

Shame on you!

Lex: That's right... Shame on me.

Just like you always said...

This is fate, Father. Forgive me...

 

16 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

Also historical & religious reasons worldwide. Stigma against cousin marriage is "relatively" modern.

That is a bit of a Eurocentric view on things, as a significant part of Asia has been opposed to cousin marriages for centuries.

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

4 minutes ago, Armagon said:

I don't know if the game had reprocussions over that like PS5 did

Kinda, there are certain things that can cause your Social Links to "reverse" (where you need to apologize to fix them, and might even loss progress), or possibly even break them entirely, and one of those is when you get to a point of officially dating a girl (but before creating an unbreakable bond by maxing it out), and then go on a date with another girl. It is one of many little quirks that makes maxing all social links on a New Game run very difficult to plan out (another one being that actively ignoring an in progress Social Link for too long can also cause a "reverse").

 

24 minutes ago, Armagon said:

a change Reload made that everyone likes is that you can get Social Links from the girls while just remaining as friends.

That honestly sounds like a noticeable improvement.

 

20 minutes ago, Armagon said:

It's funny because I think the only time a 3rd version was the true definitive was Platinum. Crystal added the first female MC, Emerald had the Battle Frontier but other than that, it was merely another version (also Emerald made Wallace the Champion, which many saw as a downgrade).

It was Platinum that actually made some real noticable differences in how the story plays out and whatnot, a cleaner aesthetic too. And then they never did it again.

There is a solid argument for Yellow to be the definitive edition of RBY, but I can't really argue with the fact that Platinum was by far the most improved 3rd version.

 

[To Become an Elitist [Playlogs FE1-5] [currently playing: Thracia 776]]

Finally to Genealogy...alright I will finally jump into to this little playlogue/discussion.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

I think if he procs Spd once, an unequipped Alec doesn't get doubled by Ayra!

Ah the classic Alec distraction for Ayra.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

so even the Warp staff might not save poor Arden.

With how nerfed the warp staff is in this game, Arden is getting no help there. Admittedly it is kind of fum that he gets A rank Sword and Lances together with B rank Axe and Bow on promotion.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

 

And it's always a nice touch when enemy stats are tuned so that your own new characters can precisely get a kill.

I do like that about this prologue, how clearly tailored to your units enemy stats are.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

 

Gandolf then proceeds to crit Midir, who of course pulls a Cecilia and miraculously survives that.

To be fair Gandolf shouldn't be able to proc a crit anyway given his stats, and weapons.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

Yeah, sorry Azel, you're going to stay a bachelor.

That is a bit of a shame, as the only mention of Jugdral's Fire Emblem requires a child of Azel to make it to the end of the game.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

 

Lex does have very focussed growths, so in conjunction with his doubled XP gain from Paragon, I can imagine that he can become fairly tanky despite his bad Avoid. And I know that he's an excellent father, because more XP is better than less XP.

Plus that +30% Def growth to all his children is another nice boon on top of that. There is also the option to have him breed a meme-y Wrath+Vantage combo, but his stats aren't the best for the magic children that results.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

 

Also, I just looked up the stats on tomes and... why exactly is Fire strictly worse than Thunder and especially Wind?

Yeah, tome balance in this game is very silly.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

 

Like Noish, Quan needs a skill proc to do more than hit the enemy once. His chances are a bit lower than Noish's (Adept has a [AS+20]% proc rate, so that's 18% right now), but Quan comes with the rather significant advantage of having Sigurd-like stats - even more Str and Def, and slightly lower numbers elsewhere.

He also gets the opportunity for some lover crits from the start. Also, a bit of a side note, but Ethlyn also has a sibling crit with Sigurd, one of the only ones available in generation 1.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

I vaguely remember that there's some sources of avoid that the AI doesn't register - presumably, Sigurd providing Sigurd with his leadership is one of them?

Yeah, I think leadership is one of them, so that would make sense.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, ping said:

 

__

...especially because DiMaggio goes ahead and reminds me that 1RN is a thing.

That is a scary position for Sigurd to be in.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 7:46 AM, Jotari said:

 

Wait Oifey is fourteen. That would make him seventeen by the end of the First Generation! More than old enough to hold a lance and die for his country. Hell by Chapter 3 he's already older than Roy!

That is why Sigurd trust him with his child's life in chapter 5...

 

On 2/20/2024 at 8:45 AM, BrightBow said:

Could be more elegant for sure. But you can most certainly see that they wanted to do something about the starting squads in FE3 not getting a proper introduction.
Although this starting knight squad still feels somewhat neglected. Like, Alec has a convo with Sylvia in chapter 2 and I think that's about it. Arden at least has his events, though

They do also all have potential for two different lover's talks each as well, which is something.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 2:23 PM, Jotari said:

Why is Ninian alive if Eliwood is wielding Duruandal!? Freaking hack artists don't even play the game *grumble* *grumble* *continuity* *grumble* *grumble*

Because Bramimond revives her just before the Fire Dragon fight, so clearly this image is from the last half chapter with a Dragon camera man 😛

 

On 2/20/2024 at 7:36 PM, Interdimensional Observer said:

 

Personally, I'll just fanfict that

I like that little fanfict-splanation.

 

On 2/21/2024 at 10:32 AM, ping said:

 

And Arvis gets one kill steal in. I could've swapped Quan and Sigurd's positions, in which case he might've prioritised talking (well, actually, Sigurd would've killed his opponents, so there would've been nobody in range for Arvis to attack anyway), but I wanted Sigurd to heal up at the church, too.

Ah its fun to see some Valflame used in the prologue. Arvis gets to show SIgurd how it is done.

 

On 2/21/2024 at 10:32 AM, ping said:

Before we get to that, Arvis is in range to chat to Sigurd on his turn:

Fun fact, Arvis has different dialogue if Azel managed to die already under Sigurd's command.

 

On 2/21/2024 at 10:32 AM, ping said:

(but he attacks Sigurd - seems like the AI prioritises not taking a counter over damage output in this game);

Really its that the base AI is kind of random. Some enemies have the more logical (and thus consistent) "clever AI" (Kaga specifically notes that this occurs with Eldigan's Cross Knights in an interview), but after a completed run you unlock an option in the menu to set all enemy AI to "clever AI". Clever AI is a lot smarter, but is also a lot more consistent, and thus more manipulatable with things like miracle (as miracle's avoid is something the AI doesn't consider).

 

On 2/21/2024 at 10:32 AM, ping said:

 

But, with the power of battlesaves, here's the remaining Talks - none of them give any game-mechanical benefits, and I had to move Sigurd backwards for Azel to reach him, which would've worsened my oh-so-precious turncount, so they're technically not canon for this run. Well, Azel's clearly was meant to be done before Arvis got a hold on Sigurd, anyway.

You really are taking full advantage of them this run.

 

On 2/21/2024 at 10:32 AM, ping said:

 

I wonder if Lex and Azel are a popular ship. Not saying that they were intended to be roommates by the writers, but Lex's teasing when they arrive and the line "I swear, I can't say no to that twink twerp", plus the "manly man and sensitive guy" vibes they give, seem like things one could see as "hints".

 

I could definitely see that.

 

On 2/21/2024 at 10:32 AM, ping said:

The orders that he gets are interesting, though, in that Grannvale's leadership seems awfully cavalier about just seizing territory from their neighbor. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but Random Old Man does say "our territory" and not "the occupied territory".

All Sigurd has to do is read the room to realize that Grannvale is not really the good guys of this conflict.

 

On 2/21/2024 at 11:47 AM, ping said:

You could argue that trading in the middle of the fight is a bit silly in itself. People are busy, they probably don't have the time to check their saddlebags to see if they have a vulnarary around that they can toss over to their wounded comrade.

Generally speaking, I like the mental image of the knights preparing for the upcoming campaign at the castle, instead of passing around the Armourslayer like a blunt so that everybody can take a swing at their respective opponent with it.

On 2/21/2024 at 2:44 PM, Jotari said:

Every individual person has the money and weapons that they own. That's cool! They have their own little lives and things that are precious to them. It's not something I'd like to see just pasted on any other game, but for Genealogy it works because the game is designed around it. But, two suggestions for making it more palatable

I think you both summed up a fair number of the reasons I am a fan of Genealogy's weapon and money system.

 

On 2/21/2024 at 11:41 PM, ping said:

 

Reminds me a bit of "smart AI" in Pokemon RBY, if a lot less extreme. "Smart AI" knows the effectiveness table, but doesn't know that it doesn't matter for status moves, which can allow a Beedrill to safely set up to max Attack and Speed against the first Pokemon of the first Elite 4 trainer, since it will only ever use Rest against it.

Smart AI in Pokemon is such a funny mix of good and terrible ideas. How it handles not very effective moves is the funniest in context, it will deincentivize moves the game thinks are not very effective (this is a bit bugged, as each type are checked individually in order, which leads to a priority system that fails to understand how multiple types effect the with the opposite order as the glitch that displays the not-very/supper effective text), unless they have an alternative, and the code for identifying an alternative is actually smart enough to both check for an attacking move of a different type, and that moves with a special damage calculation (like Seismic Toss, Bide, or Psywave) are effectively a different type move. It does have the issue of recognizing other not very effective attacking moves as valid alternatives (so if it only has not very effective attacking moves, and a normally effective status moves it will just use that normally effective status move), so even this smarter part of the code is flawed, but it actually can recognize attacking moves here.  The code for what to do with this information falls flat on its face, as it de-prioritzes not very effective status, will de-prioritize all not very effective attacking moves if there are attacking moves of multiple types (which is an issue if all their attacking moves are not very effective), and it also deincentives not very effective special damage calculation moves (which are treated as moves of a different type for identifying alternative options), leading to things like Sabrina's Alakazam only ever using Recover against a psychic type.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

I was away for a while, so sorry if I am commenting on somewhat old things at this point.

 

On 2/16/2024 at 6:01 PM, GuardianSing said:

It was never casual.

Causal was not a typo for casual. A causal relationship is one where one of those things is the cause of the other. What I was trying to say is that I don't think the existence or details of religions really matters to how misogynistic a society is. The mythology is always just a smoke screen, an excuse for inappropriate behavior made to bait those who give people the benefit of the doubt, and the more intellectually minded to fall into a wasteful pit of analysis.

 

On 2/16/2024 at 6:33 PM, Newtype06 said:

I want to apologize (again) to my fellow Teehee Madness comrades, I strained my arm muscles and couldn't play anything this last week. Tomorrow I will probably finish my part.

Don't worry about it. Truth be told I am behind on my next update as well, meant to get it out last week, but I got to distracted by preparing for, going to, and now recovering from the gaming convention I was at last weekend. Hopefully I will get it up some time tomorrow, or the day after.

 

On 2/17/2024 at 10:21 AM, Armagon said:

 

In Persona 3, to even begin the Social Link with the shyest girl of the group, your Courage stat has to be Badass. That's the max btw. Starting a Social Link with like half the party requires you to max out your social stats apparently. On one hand, that means it's not gonna randomly pop up midway through like in Persona 5. On the other hand, i hear these things still take eons to rank up.

The Social Links with party member are treated rather differently in Persona 3 than in the later Persona games. You can only form an individual Social Link with the ones you can date, and the main reason to do so is to date them, as your party members have their own arcs independent of the player character. Also each of those date possibilities require one of your social stats to be maxed out (max Courage for Fuuka, max Charm for Yukari, max Academics for Mitsuru, Aegis is a bit of an exception to that, as her social link was added in later editions of the game, but is locked to basically the end of the game).

 

On 2/17/2024 at 3:18 PM, Saint Rubenio said:

I offhandedly mentioned to my friends that yesterday was my birthday and they got me a cake behind me back. A cake they asked me about and I picked out, but it was for a 52 year old aunt one of them had that was turning 53. As a peerless tactician of many battles and even some victories, I completely failed to realize the connection between this and my prior comment.

It felt nice.

Happy belated birthday. Sorry I wasn't active at the time.

 

On 2/17/2024 at 3:28 PM, ping said:

Where is Benice when you need him?!

Yeah, I miss that kid. I see him browsing the site every now and then, but I guess he doesn't have the time, or means at college to be as active as he was.

 

On 2/17/2024 at 4:18 PM, BrightBow said:

 

Still, most hardcore shopkeeper since the guy from Link's Awakening. Although that one is hard to beat, considering that he just murders you on the spot.

He also renames the player to Thief, and prevents you from getting the best ending, which is a shame as the max rupee cost bow is obnoxious to get.

 

On 2/19/2024 at 9:18 AM, GuardianSing said:

Revenge

Starting on what was jokingly called tutorial island back in CK2 is classic. Have fun, the more dynastic focus, as opposed to nationalistic focus of CK makes for an interesting take on the Paradox grand strategy games.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 3:10 PM, Lightchao42 said:

I finished Sonic Adventure 2 Battle for the first time. The lategame was harder than I was expecting, but it was a fun time.

Congrats, its one of the good 3d Sonic games. Are you going to try and unlock the secret level by getting all the medals? I never did as a kid, but could probably pull it of now... hmm...I might have to put that on my game backlog now...

 

On 2/20/2024 at 4:01 PM, Acacia Sgt said:

 

---

As a side note, it's surprising that it took that long for FE to do it, despite all the various revival or pseudo-revival methods that existed.

The closest they came is its possible for one of the Dead Lords of FE5 to be a corpsified Evyle, a mother like figure to Leif...

 

On 2/21/2024 at 6:49 AM, Armagon said:

It does say something about mainline Megaten and Persona when the best strat is to just wait for the updated port to come out.

Yeah, its like the old 3rd version of Pokemon games. I do have a lot of nostalgia for those, as they aren't really replaced by DLC. It was a chance to change things for the better in retrospect, while keeping the heart the same, with both versions still being complete games.

 

On 2/21/2024 at 11:14 AM, GuardianSing said:

If I had a nickel for every time a lady in her mid to late 30s got me as a wrong number and started coming onto me when I acted kind in response I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

That either indicates those poor women have tragically lonely lives, or that Guardian Sing has a super sexy voice.

 

10 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said:

There's like, Shrimpers, Bow and me who like it, Armagon is allergic to fun, it wasn't quite Observer's cup of tea and the rest haven't played it. I think that about sums it up.

I started a blind ironman LP of the game, but got a bit distracted...

 

1 hour ago, GuardianSing said:

 

I'm only just now realizing I forgot to repair the broken sword which I probably need to beat this boss. brb.

Having it does help a lot (even against Reptor, as it gives +20 Mdef), but you can certainly get away with using one of the other holy weapons

 

1 hour ago, GuardianSing said:

 

Nevermind, Bridget got it. You can come back Sigurd.

Like so. Also just out of curiosity, did you get to see the battle convo between Lex and his father?

 

1 hour ago, GuardianSing said:

 

The selfishness of a father who'd rather die in battle than take care of his kid.

Not to mention the cruelty of sending Oifey away... I might be letting Oifey's ending sway me a little there.

 

1 hour ago, GuardianSing said:

 

No! I haven't been able to see your promoted animations yet!

Don't worry, Ethlyn is too strong and independent to let her husband send her away without fighting.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

On 2/15/2024 at 6:01 AM, Armagon said:

Using the old fan-translated names in the year of our Lord current year.

Shrug, I have played something like 3-4 rather different translations of that game over the years (5 if you count the original Japanese, as I have had a bit of fun with my hard copy of it), there is no official translation of FE4, and the places FE4 character names have come up in modern times are not consistent. Plus these versions are one of the easiest to look up.

 

On 2/15/2024 at 6:11 AM, Interdimensional Observer said:

Actually, is that ever said? Lewyn's uncles don't have Forseti blood, and they're said to be the late king's brothers. So then Rahna has the holy blood? Or is this just "IS was too lazy to program the usurper dukes gameplay-useless holy blood" or "holy blood inheritance is more random than the gameplay implementation would have you believe it to be"?

Holy blood inheritance is meant to be a bit more random than the gameplay indicates, how the holy blood of Dierdre's children end up is definitely one hint at that, the story of Hezul's youngest of something silly like 7 children being the one to inherit strong hoy blood is another hint at that...

 

On 2/15/2024 at 8:07 AM, Acacia Sgt said:

Also, Dryas is ドリアス while Darius is ダリウス. Not exactly one kana off.

Ehhh...there is more than one way to skin a cat (for example are you using the extremely foreign ヴ to represent V sounds or just characters with B sounds...) and its important to remember that Japanese characters represent sounds not simply letters, such that I think the first is a lot closer to Darius than the second is (the u sounds are more of an oo sound like fool)

 

On 2/15/2024 at 9:07 AM, Saint Rubenio said:

 

...Actually, doing a quick search, the original Scathach from Irish mithology was a woman and mentor to the hero Ulster. So I guess they just figured since he's a guy and OG Scathach was a woman, they had to give him a male name and just chose to give him the completely different name of a related mithological figure? And then Heroes went "nope lol" and undid it. How fickle this whole thing is...

That is especially silly, as there are a lot of FE4 Mythological names applied to people of different genders from their mythological counterparts.

 

On 2/15/2024 at 10:02 AM, GuardianSing said:

Fire Emblem in general is reluctant to use queen or any other female gendered term for the very few female rulers it has. Celica and Elincia are the only ones I can think of at the top of my head with Celica fitting the description as more queen consort than anything.

I don't think FE has really gotten enough into the weeds enough to talk about a title as one given to a consort. Really that distinction that has kind of lost so much relevance in our times of irrelevant monarchs that it isn't something people generally think about.

 

On 2/15/2024 at 10:02 AM, GuardianSing said:

After all in real life the justification for patriarchal society was that God himself was a man and so only men could be godly. It's why you have father priests and popes but never mother priestesses and just sister nuns who are married to God.

That's honestly a big reason misogyny bugs me in these games because it's always in a world where it doesn't really make sense to exist as a prejudice, at least not in the same way.

I don't think religion has ever had a causal relationship with misogyny, at most it is an easy lie to point to for the lazy.

 

22 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

(okay, so before medieval, but same-sex desires certainly existed even then, they simply weren't written down),

Its more that the consequences of such desires in medieval time were so dire that any writing about it are treated like lies, slander, or criminal evidence (even in modern day).

 

22 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

 

Fire Emblem wants to have it both ways by having it so Gods are flawed characters with limited power but have the people look to them as though they are the sole authority and moral power. The way that Rhea talks about Sothis is not the same way that an ancient Greek priest would talk about Aphrodite if you get me.

You are definitely painting the religions in FE in far too wide a brush. Due to you playing one of Kaga's games right now, I will be a bit vague here, but Kaga tends to play it fairly straight with the polytheistic gods being powerful being in the world, or that once were part of the world, without much moralizing beyond the most malicious being seen as evil, and kindest as good, although most are rather aloof.

If you read through the more religious of FE6's supports, Elibe's Church of St. Elmine is a simple monotheistic faith, very like our modern day one with St. Elmine as the prophet of this perfect ideal god that isn't treated as a part of the world. The people of the Sacae also follow a far more animistic religion very vaguely reminiscent of Shintoism.

I have never cared enough about FE8 to figure out if it even had a religion.

Tellius is an interesting case, as the truth of the matter is more similar to the flawed character with only minor limitations on their powers, but because the goddesses have not been a part of the world for so long, a faith more similar to that of the moralist nature of monotheism falsely arisen. It is a bit of a theme on FE10 that the gods are flawed in spite of human's beliefs that have come to pass in their absence.

This is probably a fair critique of how Awakening handles things, but that is another game I do not feel strongly about.

Fates definitely doesn't have that sense of morality attached to its gods, we don't hear all that much about the dragon gods of old, or how they are usually worshiped (because Fates world building is hilariously bad) but it comes across far more similarly to the way you describe polytheistic faiths.

I will point out for Three Houses that it comes across to me as a bit of intentional propaganda from Rhea for her own purposes. How much that changes things is debatable, but I do feel it is a bit of interesting context to add.

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

I am a bit surprised by myself that I didn't mention the Dual Protagonists sharing a throne in Gaiden. People love to talk about Alm overshadowing Celica, but Celica's role as a more religious Christ like figure has always muddled those comparisons.

...Odd as it is to say Kaga tends to make his avatars of the gods women. The heir of the Divine Dragon god Naga is the little dragon girl Tiki, Celica is believed to be the reincarnation of the Goddess Mila in her Gaiden ending, you have the godly dragons of TRS, not to mention the Popess of Berwick, and the Circlet Sisters of Vestaria Saga.

 

8 minutes ago, BrightBow said:

 

Meanwhile there was no mention of Minerva ascending the throne. Just that she is devoting herself to reconstruction.

The remake is more willing to say Queen about Minerva, but is ambiguous enough that Ping may be right about that technicality, and is certainly right about it in the original, but even in the official translation of the original they indicate she is a ruling princess.

 

1 hour ago, Saint Rubenio said:

 

I'll admit I didn't know it was possible for queens to happen in FE4, but the fact that it's only possible by killing off all the men only adds to the point. Kaga does not seem to believe queens should happen unless it's the absolute last resort.

This is kind of about FE4's ending, so spoiler box away.

Spoiler

Genealogy's ending is remarkably variable, highly dependent on both pairings and who lived to the end, with endings as variable as Seliph being emperor of the continent just like Marth (if basically everyone dies), to Seliph as the sole king of a continent ruled by queens (that would require Shannon and Skasaha die for Queen Lakche to rule Isaac, Leif to die for Queen Altena to rules United Thracia, Ares and Delmud dies for Queen Nanna to rule Augustria, for the Son of Lewyn to die but not his daughter, and of course the Son of Jamke to die but not his daughter...). There is a reason the translations project Naga and its rom expansion broke during the ending.

Actually, I seem to remember TRS's ending being just as convoluted, and would really need to look it up to remember who ends up as king and queen of what in the ending.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

I honestly can't  believe a Vtuber controversy got big enough for me to here about it. Really more of a monstrous train wreck of capitalism...

[Uncommon Story Tropes You Want to See More Often]

One rare one that I rather like is when the protagonist is the only one without magic/special powers, and has to compensate for that with their wits instead.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

13 minutes ago, FlyingKitsune said:

Did the member badge thingy break (the one below your pfp)? Or is it just my crappy internet?

I think one of the mods mentioned they broke in the server transfer last night in another thread.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

Just now, Armagon said:

And then they give it up so that Marth could Manifest Destiny.

Yeah the tyrant Marth's manifest destiny is very stupid.

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

16 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

Do you think they're setting up something climactic??

The chapter is called the threshold of fate...

 

16 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

 

Again, very very strong aversion to considering the princess an actual heir. It almost feels intentional at this point.

I mean points for realism I suppose, old medieval dynasties were very desperate to get male heirs but in a game with mages and dragons I'm not exactly throwing up my hands and cheering "Thank god they at least remembered the misogyny!"

And considering the lead developers real world views I doubt apple falls far from the fiction

That could easily be part of it, although I generally got more the impression that it is more of a male preference form of succession generally, but with Dierdre being an amnesiac stranger that has never been trained to rule even before losing her memories, Azmur might be making the practical assumption that her husband will probably be the real power when he passes, with Dierdre as a figure head at best.

 

16 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

 

Double dad deathbed

It would barely be an FE game without dead parents 😛

 

16 hours ago, GuardianSing said:

 

Broken promises as well

It is funny that you have to repair Sigurd's holy weapon.

 

15 hours ago, BrightBow said:

 

Though I suppose there is a chance that Grandvell is just flatout worse about it than the surrounding countries. The lack of a Midia / Mathilda-like character in Grandvell is most certainly noticeable. Meanwhile in Silesia, female knights and officers actually do exist. And Ayra for her part rejects the idea that being a woman means she has a larger responsibility towards her children than their father.
Might be more of an Ayra thing than an Isaac thing, though. Hard to say.

Literally one of the images in GuardianSing's post is showing General Aida. I guess there is a clear difference in that as all the strong women I can think of raised in Granvale are magically oriented.

 

15 hours ago, Armagon said:

Ok so the usage of "goat" as slang apparently predates the millennium but seeing this in the game caught me off guard. 

It wasn't short for Greatest Of All Time before, it was just a joke about the obnoxious animal in the past, like jokes about the Jack Ass.

 

7 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said:

As I believe has been pointed out before, it's consistent with all of Kaga's work. He never, ever, ever lets a woman be the regnant monarch. Ever. Not a single one, in the long term at least. Well, there's one in Vestaria, and only one, but she is a mind-controlled villain who's 99.99% getting replaced when/if Vestaria sees its conclusion. So I'm not exactly too inclined to give him too much credit there.

...That is a bit more debatable. Archanea has queens rule between the games, with Sheema, and Minerva, although both were vassal queens of the Archanean empire, just like Marth's Altea; and in Jugdral Hilda would do the same after the death of her son and husband. Plus there are certainly ways to arrange for Genealogy to end with Regnant queens, although it usually requires the death of their brothers to get them there.

As for Vestaria Saga, are you talking about Athol? I kind of remember there being something about a Queen in Sphire too after a succession crisis in the region, but I don't think that has been a region we really get to explore in any of the games.

 

5 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said:

And again, what do you lose from this? She does absolutely nothing as a unit.

You loss out on all the lock picks you can steal in later chapter, and sell into more boots money.

[Which FEs have the best and worst character design, in your opinion?]

Fates definitely has the best and worst character design.

What, you meant that to be two seperate entries...fine I will do the extra work for that.

I think for worst I have to go with Shadow Dragon. It feels like they went out of their way to make the characters in that game feel even more generic than they already are. New Mystery avoids sharing the same distinction thanks to some of the oddballs they added in with their everything and the kitchen sink approach, especially the amazing coated trio of Camus subordinates.

Best I think I will give to Binding Blade, for having the guts to have a playable old woman, something almost unheard of in videogames. That isn't to detract from the other great designs in that game, but that is what really pushes it over the edge for me.

I am a bit surprised by how much I am seeing Engage for the worst design option, as I think it has some of the best female character design in the series, although I guess a lot of the men came off as a bit generic, and new game syndrome may be hurting it a fair bit as well.

 

[Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread]

5 minutes ago, Armagon said:

as is Finn x Lachesis.

That is a bit debatable, as there are hints at it possibly being Beowulf x Lachesis as well.