scorri

Hi I'm here. Yes, I'm aware I said I would have a vote on by phase end. But, at phase end, if you go read back, there was mass confusion as to who we were going to lynch. So, I actually had a page open where I had a vote ready to place in case someone tied up the votes. But, I didn't want to place the vote until we had a lynch target settled. And yes, I get the fact that it still seems scummy that I wouldn't place a vote, but consider this. If I was scum, I'd be aware that not placing a vote would look super scummy. I'd also be aware of the fact that most people were ok with a Rapier lynch so that when he flipped town as he did I wouldn't be the only one to look bad. The reason I didn't put a vote down was because I was ok with either a Helios or a Rapier lynch and people weren't sold. That being said, both Helios (for that D1 play...) and Core are looking really bad to me right now. Honestly, I find the fact that Core put down a vote at the last minute like that far more suspicious than people who weren't voting. That plus general lack of reads yesterday/being willing to go after his convictions and just something feeling off about his posts make me think he's scummy. I feel like Helios has enough votes on him right now, and don't see a need to waste a day phase where we as town has a chance to talk and interact by rushing a lynch so ##Vote: Delirium

Ok then. So right. Thoughts on things happening. Manix is major tunneling and for not a very solid reason. And as people have been saying, he seems to be more concerned with getting people's attention off of him rather than scum hunting. Though, I think at least some of that can be excused because it's hard to scum hunt when you feel like you might be lynched at any point. However, he still seems to be ignoring valid points that would contradict his reasons for voting Prims. SB has been posting a bunch of one liners that haven't really been scum hunting, have mostly been role speculation and self meta, and what few views he has given us are not very helpful. He's triggering my "trying to look like he's helping without actually having to contribute info" radar pretty hard and is probably in my top two scum reads along with Manix. So, between these two it's kinda a split between them and since I'm a little wary of the wagon that's on Manix and would like to avoid putting him at L-1 this early in the phase (We still have like 36 hours or something, right?) I'm going to ##Vote:Serious Bananas Also Rein, Marth's ISO link is broken because he's currently using Bluedoom as his nick, not Marth.

Ohai Marth. Yeah I can totally see your point where I'm trying to please everyone. You know, the bit where I was all like "No, I'm not getting off Weapons even though all of you guys think my vote is stupid and scummy. I see a point in why I'm voting him." Yeah that's totally appeasing everyone. Oh wait... I've been doing things that have gotten people's attention on me. Some things I've admitted were stupid (role discussion, though I had originally intended my first post to be a "Ok see your point, moving on" when i shouldn't have even started talking about it) but other things that I've done that people have found scummy I've continued to believe are a fine thing to do. Like my post about how discussion should be started. People have jumped on me for that and I continue to stick with it was a good thing. My vote on Weapons was staying there until he gave me a post that had something more than empty fluff or empty list post. I'm still not 100% sold on him being town, but I'm not sold on him being scum either. So I took the vote off of him because I was aware that I might be tunneling and I hate tunneling. So... yeah. Not sure how me getting lots of people suspicious of me is being diplomatic but... sure. Go ahead and keep thinking that. Have fun with that.

Weapons: Ok, first that post made me laugh, thank you for that. Second of all, ok. That's more along the lines of what I was hoping to see. I'm still not 100% sold on you, but I'm also aware I'm starting to tunnel here so I'm going to back off for now. ##unvote I plan rereading tomorrow and posting some more then. I probably won't post again tonight unless someone makes a post directed at me. So keep that in mind. Also, hello Weapons, I'm scorri. It's nice to meet you. I hope we all play our best.

Ok, seriously. Weapons was in here, was working on a post, and then disappeared. I have no reason to take my vote off of him.

Weapons: You were posting and now you stopped. Please post. Thanks.

Yeah, I may have done so. If I did it would have been a misused word. I should have said suspicion not attention. :/

BBM: Care to respond to my point about Weapons post? That list post was just as empty as all the rest of his posts, it just made it seem like there was more there.

I mean... I of course didn't want my post to make people suspicious of me. There's a difference between attention and suspicion. I don't mind attention. I don't like suspicion.

No, that's empty list posting. Seriously, I can do that too. Paper:town Shinori:town Weapons: I find Weapons to be scummy. See? That list post was empty as everything else he's posted.

Ok. I'll concede that to you. I answered Bananas, and then realized that what I was doing was a)hypocritical since I've never liked talking about roles and b) not a good idea because it's a bad idea to talk about roles and tried to steer discussion away from it. I admit I shouldn't have even started talking about roles and am honestly kinda mad at myself for doing so.

With Weapons, if you don't believe me, here. http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&cType=topic&cId=34602&search_author=WeaponsofMassConstruction Point out *one* good post in there, and I really do mean one, and I will back off of Weapons. But I see no reason to.

Ok, first off: Paper: I didn't start the role discussion. Bananas did with his thing about the alliance checker. I made one post that was supposed to be a "We can't know anything for sure, just be careful about who you trust, moving on." type post. That didn't happen, so I then tried to be more obvious about it. Your next three posts link to a comment by Shinori? So I'm not sure exactly what those are supposed to be talking about, but yeah. I think the links are broken or something. If you could quote those posts please that'd be helpful. Wrt the post about psych, I didn't like how quickly a wagon was building on him, even if it was a fake wagon. I hate RVS. I think it waste time, especially when a joke wagon like that builds because everyone is just like "Lol lets vote for this person and then do nothing." I hate wasting time, it does nothing helpful for the town. In that same line, BBM there's a difference between inactivity D1 and posting things that are literally nothing at all related to the game multiple times. We were at the point where we could have started to move out of RVS but Weapons was still just posting youtube links. And at first my vote was more of a prod "start posting serious stuff, come on" but then after his last couple of posts where he dropped a list "here's who i think is town, here's who I think is scum" and then refusal to explain why he thinks someone is scum. At which point I decided to keep my vote on him because he's still refusing to give us posts that actually have content at a point where posts have the ability to have content. So my vote started off semi-serious trying to get a response and turned into a fully serious one when he refused to give the game anything containing content.

Bluh yeah. My poke at inactives probably wasn't the best move. It was just me looking at what had happened and being like "Hey, they've barely posted anything... That seems a little weird to me." And then I decided to post about it. So yeah. I guess that wasn't the greatest move. As for the other post from last day phase, no that was not intended to get the reaction of people jumping at me. It was intended to get discussion started. It did in fact get discussion started, but in a way that wasn't very favorable to me. However, from those reactions I was able to get better reads on people. So like I said before at some point, even though the discussion it caused was me needing to defend myself, in the long run it cause discussion to start and interactions to happen which allows people to get better reads and thus allow for better knowledge down the road.

We have two minutes.

We can switch to Helios but we'd need to do it now.

I mean, it claims Rapier is viewing the topic... And ugh. If he hasn't claimed at this point when he had plenty of time to... I'm going to be ticked off if he's town too.

It depends on Rapier's claim. I'd be ok with a Helios lynch or a Rapier lynch, but Rapier's not claiming is making me more suspicious of him to be honest.

Rapier: You really need to claim or get lynched at this point...

Cam: My summary dump was intended originally as me just getting my thoughts organized and then turned into something that I thought might help people out some so I ended up posting all of it instead of just my thoughts after it. So.

Eh, I was mostly just trying to poke at people to post, not being super suspicious. And there's a difference between my comments on the inactives and my vote on weapons. The people who only had one post I was more trying to remind them that there was a game going on I guess. Weapons on the other hand had multiple posts with absolutely nothing in them. That's why I voted him. I didn't like his joking attitude because I felt that even though it was still in RVS he was literally doing nothing to help. RVS helps some as opposed to posting random videos and such that doesn't give us anything to work with later on in the game. And as for poking about discussion without giving something to discuss, it's like I said yesterday before phase end. I figured yesterday that it'd be easier to defend myself wrt saying we should start discussion w/o giving a discussion topic than some of those other things that are huge scum tells. Though... I guess my prodding at inactives is also a scumish thing to do. So... yeah. Ah well. Either way, I guess I will have started discussion. Which, in the end, can only help the town.

Ok guys, hour and a half. Are we settling on a Rapier lynch? It'd be nice if Rapier could get in here and talk to us....

Well, my major scumread right now is Weapons actually just for lack of explaining anything. Thus why my vote is still on him. Besides that, I don't really see why people are voting Manix, kinda a null read there, Bananas really needs to start talking about what he thinks and such, and everyone else needs to start existing. My reads from what little we got yesterday were townish on Shinori and Paper mostly cause of their reactions to my post trying to get people to talk. They both seemed to have reactions I'd expect from a town player. Besides that, a bunch of null reads. Wheee lack of content due to modkills.

Ok, that many hours.

Ugh ok we have 4 hours left to decide this guys. Right now Helios has 1 more vote than Rapier. I am not going to tie it up right now when I don't know who all will be back by end of phase or if I will even be back by end of phase (dinner and family time soon). Summaries of arguments against the two people: Rapier: General lack of content, list post late in phase without comments on a couple of people Helios: general fluff posts at the start, list post that basically said no one seemed scummy, flip flopping pretty badly, seeming to try and divert attention off of himself Helios did have what seemed like a rather opportunistic wagon build on him though, and I'm not 100% sure I want this wagon to be executed today. I think at this point I'd rather see Rapier lynched and try and deal with Helios tomorrow since he has been contributing more to discussion that hasn't been horrible fluff in the second half of the phase. So... that's where my thoughts are at.