Hero of the Fire Emblems
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Just now, IcyHeroGamer said:
To note something that's actually against the point I was originally arguing: Naga
Naga ends his existence after he puts Tiki to sleep. But we see Naga in Awakening as a female. The only logical explanation I can think of is that Nagi takes Naga's place. Medeus does refer to her as Naga's reincarnation.
Not only that, her Japanese end title is literally "Avatar of the Divine Dragon King" and she's listed as NAGA in the code, not Nagi.
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6 minutes ago, IcyHeroGamer said:
To be honest, you guys are making some very good points. My perspective has shifted a little. Though I still don't like to think of it as canon, cause I'm a filthy Archanea fangirl.
Awakening has a few questionable things but it's far from the plothole ridden abomination people want to make it out to be.
Some of them are even 8-4's fuckups.Naesala the Evil Swan King and the evil swans who burned down Serenes Forest is probably the most attrocious mistranslation I have ever seen.
It's consistent with Jugdral and Archanea, and really the only questionable territory we get into is it's insistent continuity with Tellius and Fates, but those are explainable if you put a timeline of events together.
3 minutes ago, RedEyedDrake said:The Falchion's pre-Awakening and post Awakening mechanics are apples and oranges and you really shouldn't try to use one set of them to indicate something about the other set.
I'm actually insinuating they might be the same (Insofar as "Worthiness" is concerned) and you're potentially just misinterpreting one era of it
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2 minutes ago, RedEyedDrake said:
The point is that if female relatives of Anri could use the Falchion at this point in time then Elice should be able to use it as well. And yet she can't.
This isn't entirely true even if it does come back positive on the male only thing (Someone get to work on a japanese text dump of FE11)
Falchion is incredibly picky, even among the same generation, as Lucina's support convos with siblings and I believe Owain show.
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1 minute ago, IcyHeroGamer said:
Kinda off topic, but I like to think of Marth having Baldur blood, Merric having Sety blood, and Hardin having Nova or Dain blood.
Before we even approach the suggestion, there is a damn reason they redesigned Falchion in 11/12 to NOT look like Tyrfing.
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2 minutes ago, AzureSen said:
Re: the Shield of Seals, I was wrong that it was whole during Shadow Dragon, but that just reinforces that the shield being incomplete alone isn't enough to bring back Medeus. The shield was incomplete for 600 years according to (New) Mystery and then incomplete for yet another indeterminable amount of time pre-Awakening, and yet Medeus still could only come back with help, and not even at full strength.
And of course that's moot because Medeus is canonically dead for real, as per Gotoh's words at the end of (New) Mystery:
There was a translation error in Shadow Dragon that says only male descendants of Anri may wield the Falchion, as per the screenshot above. (Which then calls into question why Gharnef thought he could use Falchion against Medeus if only Marth can wield it.)
That's actually a good point. Gharnef had to be keeping Elice around for more than just the Aum Staff, surely; he might just not have been privy to Falchion's decision to choose Marth over her.
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2 minutes ago, RedEyedDrake said:
Surely you jest. That is not how tectonics work and a cataclysm of the magnitude required to alter the shape of continents this relatively quickly will end up doing way more than just that. Like cause a localized extinction for a long, long time. As in, way longer than a mere 2000 years.
Zelda begs to differ. Less than 10,000 years and a fucking ice age changes Hyrule like Play-Doh. Fictional plate techtonics are a lot more volitile
And as I said earlier, it might not be male only so much as Falchion saying "fuck that shitty healer unit Elice, I'm going with Marth the Unpromotable Lord over that shit". Or hell, MAYBE IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT ELICE CAN'T USE SWORDS. -
1 minute ago, Etrurian emperor said:
In the data leak topic Icygamer posted a pic of it being stated that only Marth, the last male descendant of Anri can wield the Falchion so that's probably why. Though it could be that it was localisation only.
Lucina and Odin (If I remember right) have a conversation about how Falchion chooses it's weilder in the same vein as the Master Sword. It could just be that Falchion decided not to accept Elice (remember Falchion was a part of their house for a long ass time prior to 11, Marth and Elice would probably have contacted it as kids) because she's a shitty endgame healer.
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Ok this is subject to change since they already went back on a previous localization in the past month, but Fire Emblem Echoes localized the name of the Levin Sword from 2, 4, and 5- the very same Holsety localized differently from Levin Sword- as the "Lightning Sword" rather than Bolt Sword.
Again; subject to change until May 19th.
I'm very much looking forward to Holsety's rendition of Thracia, as it will certainly be top quality and (no offense to anyone else intended) likely among the best the fanbase can provide, along with the gringe binding blade patch. -
Alright now that Catria's design dropped... I regret to say my opinion was changed
im now extremely worried about what Sieg's design will be and how far removed it will be from 11 and 12, the games Echoes specifically has continuity with....... I feel like a line was crossed with the Whitewings, Catria looks more like Cleopatra now =L
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Any update on this patch's more technical aspects yet?
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That one part is 1000% "the strong, the weak, the brave, the meek, all shall fight for the light we seek" to my ears.
it seems to be slightly alluding to very bad summons (weak and meek heroes)
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On 3/15/2017 at 4:26 PM, RedEyedDrake said:
I don't think that the Fire Emblem ever got referred to by that specific title in FE11. This title only comes up in this game (and only once at that), doesn't it?
I actually think it might have been mentioned in FE11 chapter 5 as "The Champion's Proof" unless that's just outright an entirely different title we're talking about. But that's from memory and I'm TL running Zelda so my memory is fuzzy at best for now.
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On the Naga gender debate
Loki of Norse mythology is regularly said to have taken the form of a woman in addition to a man and even to have had children as a woman
I really do think Naga being both genders isn't too outrageous on account of that, if this is still being debated- but from what I understand Divine Dragon King is non negotiatable on account of Shadow Dragon
Just a minor tidbit I thought I'd throw out there that came to my mind today if it's still relevant (Trying to help the project along however I can) -
On 3/6/2017 at 8:30 PM, joesteve1914 said:
I don't have the game either, but I can't imagine it wouldn't be "Shadow Dragon". If someone who has the game can confirm that would be great, but I think it's safe to say that they kept it as "Shadow Dragon".
Yeah it's "Dark Breath" in the current 3.01 patch.
I've read the thread and haven't decided between Binding or Sealing yet... I want to get this patch out soon so I'll leave it as "Binding" for now. I think there's more pressing matters than this :D
Also, is it possible to create a poll in this thread? I don't see an option for it.
I tried to beat TMS to check this
But alas
Breath of the Wild came out and sucked my determination away for now
Soon, soon
Also be wary, even though it's listed as True Sword Falchion online it's only True Falchion ingame
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53 minutes ago, Seafarer said:
Clearly Old Hubba is a collector of rare misprintsYeah, I'm fond of Raquesis - and consistency - too, but it's no great loss.
If they change Nabarl I am never playing FE againForever more I am going to rationalize it as this
im already rationalizing the original Gaiden art as someone drawing the Echoes characters while drunk, it's viable, so I'll end up having to do this too now
edit: I don't think anyone brought up how holsety called "Heir of Light" being the localization for "Light Inheritor". I figured it would once I realized it parallels Heirs of Fate, which is probably why they localized it as Heir of Light.
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6 hours ago, Iridium said:
If we're going to bring up consistency with The Binding Blade, keep in mind that we haven't exactly been consistent with it before: Binding Blade and Blazing Blade are referred to with two different romanizations of the word for sword. To be perfectly consistent with Fire Emblem 7 referring to Durandal as the Blazing Blade -- which has become unquestionable canon as of Heroes, by the way -- FE6 should not use the word 'Blade'.
But it does. So that's half of the title already having been made inconsistent. Why should we try to be consistent with the other half? At least with Smash's "The Binding Blade (featuring the Sword of Seals)" we could at least just call it a title change and be done, but now we no longer have swords nor seals anywhere.
The problem with trying to go with "Binding Shield" is that "The Binding Blade" is already a mistake. It is one that we are no longer able to fix, because it has become too prominent to change. You can continue trying to hang onto it, but it's like trying to stay on a sinking ship -- if you do so, then you're stuck with all sorts of stupid stuff like the Binding Buckler and the Bondage Bethel if you just want to hang on to the feel of the names we have now. Alternatively, you could lose the alliteration and get the BS that is the Binding Shrine and the whatever that is Binding Shield. And for all of those sacrifices you'd still be inconsistent with the closest thing we have to a name for the shield itself in English, however trivial it might be.
There are two real options for the name: holding on to something that cannot support the weight you're trying to force it to bear, or just giving up and letting papa 8-4 take the blame. In this case I'd honestly recommend just cutting your losses and going with Sealing Shield. At the end of the day, the Binding Blade is definitely a reference to the Sealing Shield, but they're not the same object and have no relationship to each other beyond both involving the Fire Emblem and being equipment of some sort. Anyone who has played both games can probably immediately recognize that The Binding Blade is the store-brand version of Mystery of the Emblem anyway, and we don't need to go the extra mile to respect a parallel that NOA does not.
The original FE1 and FE11 have titles of Ankoku Ryu to Hikari no Tsurugi and Shin Ankoku Ryu to Hikari no Ken
theyre both intended to be the same word though which is sword, and the fandom never prior to Brawl translated FE7 and FE6 as blades. They translated it both as "sword" because ken and tsurugi are both literally interchangeable. Both can be accurately translated as either sword or blade; this is actually demonstrated with actual in game sword staples of the series on occasion flipping between the two iirc. Just because one item uses Fuuin and translates it as Binding does not and should not force every instance of the word "fuuin" in the series to be translated as Binding like you suggest is the case here. Translation and localization doesn't work like that and for good reason.
However, both the Binding Blade and Binding Shield are supposed to have specific connection to each other by way of being counterparts. In this specific instance, we have demonstratable intent that they made them both "Binding" or "Sealing" for a reason (I digress here, but Sword of Seals always came off as horrifically cringey Engrish to me personally like smash is known to provide. If we went the seal route I'd have strongly suggested Sealing Sword, since it demonstrates it can seal things (Idun) rather than being a sword associated with some kind of set of seals which it isn't really until FE7, but here we are at Binding), and the name is meant to emphasize their parallel nature intentionally. That's WHY we came to Binding Shield in the first place, not a backwards 1:1 translation methodology for words (Japanese to English isn't 1:1) but consistency with FE6. I think the Heroes of Shadow realized at that point Binding Blade was sticking and went with it.
NoA themselves don't personally translate capcom games either afaik so it's probable whoever came to Sealing Shield has no connection to the localizers of Fire Emblem, be they 8-4 or Treehouse.
Of course I'm not defending 8-4 here, they somehow got "Swan" out of "Raven Laguz" in support conversations.
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4 minutes ago, RedEyedDrake said:
@Hero:
What is there to debate? Those two versions of her name are supposed to be pronounced the same. So does the spelling really matter that much? Just use the version that you prefer.
People debate it.
Endlessly.
I've seen people argue neither are correct before.I'm just worried arguments will escalate now to a point where we get rediculous things like demands for Suzukaze being brought back or saying Rhys should be Kilroy etc.
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8 minutes ago, hanhnn said:
Great, I know official is not official after all.
I feel you
I feel you
Now people will endlessly ragedebate Caeda v Shiida
Thankfully the only other Awakening name that's disregarded by Heroes is Orsin/Othian so we can only be hurt one more timethey'll make a liar out of me I know it, Rhys will be Kilroy -
It's Lachesis in Heroes
I am a defeated man if they do not revert it so update the patch as you will @bookofholsety -
1 hour ago, Ranger Jack Walker said:
In Archanea, the Regalia only refers to the 3 weapons of Archanea: Gradivus, Mercurius and Parthia. No other weapon can be given that title in Archanea.
Hauteclere has no association with Macedon in particular. It has no connection to Macedon beyond that, unlike the Regalia, which were weapons stolen by Adrah and used in his battles to form Archanea thus giving them historical significance to the kingdom of Archanea or the Iote's Shield which is named after Macedon's founder, also giving it historical significance to Macedon. Hauteclere is simply a powerful axe that Minerva uses, nothing more. No historical significance, no legendary status.Definitely not a Regalia because that is a specific title given only to the 3 weapons of Archanea, not a general term for great weapons.
It's actually called The Three Regalia. Note the capitalization there; they specifically are called something unique from pure "regalia" in Archanea. I'd classify Iote's Shield as a regalia based on this as well as well as Aura, Starlight, Excalibur, and arguably Hauteclere. They'd be regalia, not The Three Regalia. It's also worth pointing out someone says Hauteclere is "as strong as the Three Regalia". Hauteclere is also classified as a regalia by both Awakening and Tokyo Mirage Sessions for what it's worth.
The reason this is important is because the Three Regalia are probably an allusion to the Three Regalia of Japan, just like the Archanean Allied Forces in the japanese version being changed to the "Archanean League" is possibly to parallel the Achaean League which opposed the real life Macedon.On the subject of Aimee, it's the same character from Shadow Dragon and she was Larabel in Shadow Dragon's US version; this is a patch based on the US release of the games and particularly Shadow Dragon. As stated before, consistency with the sub series the game is a part of > consistency with other sub series, but Aimee Larabel being her full title in her letter could be a good compromise between both of her US names. If not, we are likely obligated to go with Larabel based on consistency with US names and Shadow Dragon in particular taking the highest priority of the english games for this particular patch (with FE Echoes being second, due to it's chronological proximity to FE11/12, and Awakening third, I'd imagine)
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36 minutes ago, DodgeDusk said:
Itsuki: Falchion, Durandel, Florete, Balmung, Mercurius, Sol Katti, Tyrfing, Exalted Falchion, Mystletainn, True Falchion
Tsubasa: Gungnir, Gradivus
Touma: Gae Borg
Kiria: Mjolnir
Eleonora: Parthia, Rienfleche, Yewfelle, Nidhogg
Mamori: Hauteclere, Urvan, Basilikos, Helswarth
Yashiro: Amatsu, Ragnell
To get True Falchion (and the other best weapons for each character), you need to unlock the Legendary difficulty in the Arena, which is exclusive to New Game +. One of the rewards you can get in said difficulty is called "War Testament", which is required to make the best weapons in the game.Do you have to carry over your inventory and stats to get this or can you get it in Lunatic mode as well?
Edit: also noticed the game has the regal sword which is Ike's personal weapon in PoR
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Alright so I noticed Itsuki got a few regalia that were Spotpass regalia in Awakening. I kind of wrote it off at the time as being technically an Awakening reference since those regalia appeared in awakening.
then I noticed Itsuki gets ahold of Durandal, and I somewhat flipped my shit since Durandal doesn't appear in FE13. Also noticed Florete from FE10.
So, in total, what regalia or personal weapons does Itsuki get overall from across the franchise? There looks like quite a few references to Jugdral, Elibe, and Tellius were put into the Carnage Weapon lineup.
if any of the other cast get regalia, I'd like to know that too if that's not too much trouble
Also I don't know if this should be a different topic, but how am I supposed to get ahold of True Falchion? (interested since it's clearly Marth's Falchion and, well, ending spoilers)
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1 hour ago, ChibiToastExplosion said:
I think Anna is immensely popular to fans of the last two games, as she's playable.
Up until Awakening Anna was just that girl Jake liked, and the nameless secret shop vendor / suspend game face.
She's definitely not some face of the franchise. Know what else is a staple of the franchise and has been in more games than Anna?
That's right folks - forest tiles. The new FE mascot!
Actually if we count TMS Anna has been in an equal number of games
runs from the rabbid hate mob for that game
i think the fact she's one of the few FE characters to appear in a non playable capacity in TMS is saying something
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28 minutes ago, VincentASM said:
The "Aimee Larabel" idea is neat in theory, but makes me cringe hard.
I'm not gonna lie; I really dislike how NOA retconned Naga to be male and female in Awakening to fix their mistake in Shadow Dragon. But it was unavoidable in their situation. Still, I really don't want us to be following in their footsteps by having Aimee AND Larabel be her name; just pick one or the other.
As for the Naga gender issue, if there isn't already a topic about it in the Readme file, there really needs to be one. I would prefer Naga to be female/gender-neutral, but if you want to be consistent with NOA's lore, you should at least mention what it was like in the original. Or I can write up a note if necessary.
BTW, if you can do me a huge favour, I'd love it if you could rewrite Tiki and Avatar's support conversations. Maybe make them somewhat similar to the one in Awakening. Where Tiki ends up mistaking the Avatar for Marth or something.
Divine Dragon King as a title is non negotiatable because it's used in both FE11 as well as FE13, I can't recall specifically what instance in FE13 though. It's at the bare minimum the title the Archaneans used at the time, and due to using official english names we're instantly gridlocked into Divine Dragon King as the title, as regrettable as that might be to some people. Not using the localized title would compromise the integrity and purpose of the patch, so there is that. Gender neutrality outside of the title is the only plausible compromise.
As for Larabel, it's the same character from FE11, as with Jake and Anna. Her changing her name to Aimee would be largely unfounded. But then the issue comes up of severing the Tellius connection and due to the mild to moderate design differences between Tellius and FE11/12 in her design, people playing casually might not pick up on the connection without doing background research on a wiki. Aimee Larabel somewhat fixes the issue (one name, probably Larabel, will of course be used as her default name and the dual name thing would be specific to the support conversation where she writes that letter to Samson for the most part.Speaking of support conversations, I always scratched my head about Marth X Avatar's 3rd support. I get Marth is forshadowing Chrom, but at the same time Fates, Heroes, and every bit of media since FE13 released alludes that all 3 of the avatars are Zelda style reincarnations.
I might suggest looking over it to see if the whole descendants thing is a bit too literal, or if there's no other way to interpret what is said to be consistent.@RedEyedDrake I wonder if Awakening is referring to King Marth as in Marth AFTER FE12, like right after his ending. I've heard that in FE13 Sileph is considered King Sileph as well in reference to post FE4 and that's why they square off in the DLC; according to the wiki it's United Kingdom of Archanea vs King Sileph's Jugdral. We should investigate that about Awakening's DLC too.
Archanea vs Awakening Continuity
in Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia
Posted · Edited by Hero of the Fire Emblems
Because they straight up say Gharnef is "using Falchion as leverage over Medeus" to try and control him.
He is straight up stated to think he can control Falchion. And this is before he and Marth cross paths; not to mention Aum just revives the person normally so he's not trying to make Marth into a zombie or anything if you're suggesting that. Aum seems more likely a selfish thing in case somehow Imhullu fails.