Eurykins

Just got home from work, ugh. Closing shifts suck, especially when paired with 7am mandatory meeting this morning. =___= @Magnificence Incarnate Whether it was a point in her favor or not wasn't the issue, but moreso opening up the possibility that she posted on the first thing noted, without reading the entirety of Page 2 beforehand. I asked those questions to see how much your PoV/thoughts on her voting process would've changed had her target been Clarinets instead of yourself. @Bartozio I have a few questions regarding the vote post: 1. The concept of Clarinets having played off the pretty bad fake claim was part of the "Not doing anything during ED1/coming out of RVS stage", which showed a lack of scum-hunting and a lack of active productive gameplay. This was just one out of the many lazy/empty posts that occurred during post RVS, and something that was just unnecessary/filler at most. > How does this conflict with the fact that I found Marth's reaction, when he was inclined to entertain any truth/possibility to said claim due to the host's past games? I found his reaction odd because it seemed unnatural to assume that such an information role like that would exist in a Mafia game (especially a small one like this) with little to no reasonable reason outside of the creator's habit for crazy games? Unless I had stated that I BELIEVED or not accepted Clarinet's claim as being truly false for any reason (which would make my notion against Marth hypocritical had I done so), I fail to see where the issue lies. 2. Vote swap didn't happen because I wanted questions answered from most people I had on the list (Including Marth, Shinori, Boron, and anyone else I mentioned), and outside of Clarinets I had no real strong scummish reads elsewhere. Also the initial vote on Shinori was purely RVS, but I still wanted answers from him as well. So there was no real point in me moving my vote when it's sitting on someone I wanted to hear from. @Clarinets If you believe that Town have good reason to find your actions suspicious, was there an underlying reason why you chose to stir up the game with questionable gameplay? @Shinori What do you mean by "scum that doesn't want to play scum"? @Sunwoo Despite my questions regarding his vote, I could understand his interest in sheeping Prim's case on Clarinets, as I also agreed with Prim's case/vote on the slot. Shinori was also actually conversing ED1 as opposed to just posting nonsensical joke/empty posts/votes without really doing anything as a whole. Overall contribution was better than the Clarinets slot. Nomming on foods and digging through page 6 currently (will be working on another post with a vote following full thoughts). These new forums makes me die trying to make wall posts so trying to utilize these @ stuffs to kinda work around the quote blocks.

Need to be up early in the morning, so going to bed. Be back tomorrow.

Clarinets feels like that white noise you hear in the background currently- where is the scumhunting efforts? I get that it was still around ED1, but faking an informed claim, adding a vote with it, and then passing it off as a simple joke is a little excessive for RVS shinanegans. @Clarinets What are your thoughts on the players thus far? On the wagon/votes that you seemed to have acquired? Are they justified, or do you believe there is scum intent on your wagon? @Prims I also found Weapon's posts odd wrt town thing, but I have not personally played with him much to know whether it's common or not coming from him. Does his action match up to any meta records you may be aware of, and what sort of response via SB would affect in either direction how you read Weapon's slot? Marth's reaction to Boron's post feels mildly bad to me. Kinda smelled of OMGUS-esque reaction and the role spec of the obviously faked claim by Clarinets confuses me slightly, with the unrealistic aspect to it- even if part of it is due to the host (whom I have zero personal experience with, as far as I know/remember). @Magnificence Incarnate Was the part of not taking much notice towards Prims/Weapons create any sense of association between any of them with Sunwoo? Or was it a matter of easy voting/wagoning? But if there was intent for an easy wagon, why would Clarinets not have been a viable choice as well, when there was probably (and still is) more agreeable cases towards Clarinets than yourself? Is there scum intent from Sunwoo's action, or was the timing just poor in the moment it occurred? Given the fact that Marth's vote (which is what Sunwoo voted him for) was the 3rd post on Page 2, I do not think that it was unlikely that it was one of the first things that caught Sunwoo's attention while posting. However, I would like to know more about what you think of the rest of the player base, @Sunwoo. @Omega Combining an RVS vote + actual vote- is that really something that is necessarily done to look "busy", when it was still partially in RVS/leaving RVS when the vote was made? In addition, was there no other thoughts wrt anything else from page 2 on? @Shinori That's an easy sheepy vote on Clarinets. Kinda explained in the latter post, but in what way did Clarinet's post strike you as "bad"? Laziness in not scumhunting? Complacency? Scum intent or not? Also reads on the rest of the players? @Vi-astra Can I get an update on your reads on the players when you have the time? You seem disinterested in Marth/Weapons, but what of the rest? Clarinets is the most distracting slot currently, and I would be fine voting if not for the immense wagon pressure currently. I have no idea what the votals are currently, but read at least 4-5 votes scanning quickly over page 2-3. Not going to put anyone at the threat of an early hammer this early in the day phase, but I am okay and supportive of the wagon currently.

I have a closing shift later tonight, so will likely not be around much this afternoon/evening. @Magnificence Incarnate Did Bartozio's vote feel forced/unnatural? What sort of scum intent/drive would making a vote like that do, especially ED1? @athena_57 Any thoughts with regards to what's been already posted/said? Noting you're voting an inactive currently (in this case Sunwoo)- more worthwhile than prodding/looking through the people posting currently? @Kokichi Oma Being cryptic with your claim is a double-edged sword- it funnels/limits what information you leave available for scum to interpret off of, but also doesn't do us much good if there's a way to help/prevent something bad from happening to you as a result of your role. Are we capable of influencing its outcome at all, or is it something that purely relies on you to be able to manage or otherwise resolve one way or another? @Vi-astra Is this something he has a habit of doing, or does it seem unnatural for him to try and push us out of RVS ASAP with a semi-serious vote? Is it worsened by the fact that he has no case behind it furthermore, or is it something else?

##Vote: Shinori Never trust the Neutral Evil.

Feel free to /in me in place of Eclipse.

1. Was on a wagon since D1 and very close lynch (but still survived!). 2. Was hooked and prevented in both a kill and rolecop N1. 3. Quickly Lynched D2, and condemned my buddy (As a result of his buddying/support against my lynch, and the Eclipse Watch) to die D3. If alright means, "Gj you done fucked up", then sure! XD Realtalk: Stop fucking rolling me as scum role cop without a semi-decent back-up claim @SB.. Bad things happen when I'm a role cop, and I had shit all for fakeclaims with assloads of Doc's and another cop in this game. I blame SB for that mess.

Also, this newer forums is legit ass for ISO surfing and wall posting. Holy crap I lost about 10 posts back to back, and that's when I started to lose motivation, and then suicidal friend thing happened and I just felt like not bothering with the game much afterwards. 10/10 for confusing the fuck out of people with the BBM rolecop claim though. :D EDIT: Even if I'd been townside, I would've still copped either Refa or BBM, had I found them scummy as town-side. It's just what I do, and Refa's always scum af anyways, so worth.

To be fair, Bard lost the first 1v1 against the Mafia team. So I claim that victory, even if Shinori's stupid and kept defending me lmao. I also blame him for wanting to send me out to do kill + rolecop on the same night. Was too scared of being caught/seen when I was realistically the highly more likely to be fucked with lmao. EDIT: Also, I think this is why I can never be actual scumbuddies with him. It's awk as fuck and I literally kept forgetting him as a PLAYER because I was just talking to him IRL and was more of a source of food-for-thought/logic than anything, and it made me keep forgetting to read him in-game LOL.

Fell asleep at computer while attempting to read over things. Going to sleep and will be back tomorrow afternoon.

How else would I prove that the role cop actually went off? Claiming it without actually proving it means nothing, and would be just be my word against Arcanite's. You also have to realize that I found his gameplay questionable, when no one else did. It's my way of digging to prove or disprove what he said in the last day phase, and it also disproves the notion from Arcanite that I was roleblocked. As noted above as well, I don't really have much time- this was by far the most direct method possible, and so I went with it.

@eclipse I had an 10am-8pm shift today so I went to bed early after a shitshow happened with a suicidal friend last night. Thus I wasn't on for basically the entirety for today and completely blanked on when night phase ended. I can get to re-reading and catching up in a moment, but I have opening shift at 7am tomorrow morning, so I will not have a massive amount of time to do so.

##Vote: Arcanite Night action went through.

Oh, didn't even know the night ended that soon. That's awkward. Also, I will admit that I wasn't full with my claim. I am a Cycle day 4 Doc + Role cop, targeted BBM with the cop last night. Third time's the charm with the cycles, isn't it?

*My claim is part of the reason why I became apprehensive/doubtful of BBM's claim. Either he actually has the information, or gut instinct leans towards him having such knowledge/source of killing power to suggest day kills, which is something I did not like at all.

Well, I have to head to bed, as I have work tomorrow morning and will not be able to get back home for phase end. I am a Cycle 4 Doc. On Day 4 I can protect target someone and protect them from all attempts on their life until the end of Day 4 and for Night 4. Looking at the thread, it seems that Omega is not a wagon that is being fully considered for consolidation. If that is the case, and given the fact that most people seem to be doing an either "Eury or Bard" lynch, I will be adjusting my vote accordingly for the consolidation. I will not state that I personally have a massive case or anything against him, as I didn't have much issues with him in his fewer earlier posts, but if it's him or me, then the answer is simple. ##Unvote ##Vote: Bard

I look at the quality of what they bring to the table. Doesn't have to be massive amount of posts, wallposts, or the most charismatic persona pushing forth a case in the most flowery/appealing manner. Actual attempts to try, and legitimately attempting to figure things out though, are decent key signs. Also sometimes certain reactions (this depends a little on the person in question though) can offer some insight, but limited (Sometimes only becomes more clear under pressure or asking the right questions). I mean, hell, I've tunneled massively on people. I've had massive scumreads/wall reads before that have included 3/4 of the entire playerbase of a game (people like Prims can validate/verify, as could BBM/Shinori/other older players) because I get caught up sometimes on BAD GAMEPLAY that comes off as SCUMMY to me than anything. Yeah, it happens, and sometimes me bulldozing through people and being headstrong and determined about my cases can read off about that. But on the other hand, I do my best to be clear about why I'm chasing them down. The whole BBM nonsense annoyed me, because it's most of what people are slinging at me currently when it's simply not the truth. But the fact that most are ignoring the simple facts that I'm trying to clarify made me want to just ignore them at that point and move on. Arguing against a crowd who make themselves seemingly blind or deaf to the simple truth of the matter won't miraculously begin to listen even if you plead with them a thousand times over. Same concept with me arguing with Refa- I just ended up going offline/to bed after a while of it because it just didn't do anyone any good to keep posting against each other when nothing was being done in the end. Nothing changed, so just time to pick up and move on to bigger fish to fry. Though he still would be an OK catch today if people still wanted to reel him in. :)

This is literally what I had posted when I made the BBM vote, before things got crazy between me and Refa (in which case I was busy arguing about him OMGUS me and such, and was doing counterpoints, so during that time I did not vote swap. Maybe that's why people are confused, but this is what I had actually come to conclusion wise of my initial posting. This is why I do not understand most of the pushes against me because of BBM casing/wanting him be lynched/whatever.

Once again, people are clearly not reading my posts/votes but okay. When my vote for BBM was made, it was more of a pressure/informational vote than finding him scummier than Refa. He was never my top scum read, he was never someone I was pushing for an actual lynch (though I would be fine with consolidation if people wanted to), etc. The simple fact was the fact that REFA ALREADY HAD 5+ VOTES EARLY DAY 1 AND I WANTED PRESSURE AND MORE INFO ELSEWHERE AT THE TIME. IS THIS CLEAR FINALLY? AKA. The "Case" and oh-my-god-I-Want-BBM-lynched-today thing was hella moot from the moment that he was NEVER my biggest scum read since the game has started. EVER. I may have disliked/distrusted his claim and some of his gameplay, but he was behind (and remains so) Refa, and at this point Omega. > This is a reason why I find Omega's casing and being OK with my lynch disagreeable. Once again, refer to the aforementioned comments. And if meta is also another thing to consider when it comes to gameplay, I will call into question the amount of times I've called people out for being scummy or scumread people that no one else has in games consistently, been given shit for, but still persisited. I personally don't care if people don't agree with my casing of BBM. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree. Point is, I have other reads, which I have already pushed forth and am willing to support. I will not back down on a prior case, however, no matter how wrong that SEEMS to other people who may be townreading that specific person. Unless someone proves to me otherwise, I run with the concept of "Scummy until proven otherwise." Pray tell, given the above statement, how am I pushing BBM any harder than say REFA or Omega (the former of which I even got into a heated moment with) yourself? What is this garble of "won't cry over, wrong on me, etc."? Waffling on reads/lists and really doesn't help much at all. > Feels better about Refa in the bolded. > Still states, "HE COULD BE SCUM". Good fallback here in case Refa flipped and utilized for "Hey, I didn't fully think Refa was in the clear guys!" If I were to be truthful, Omega's posts... got worse? He was responsive, but in a bad way. Also, casing and priorities still sucked, and had little to no merit. I'm okay with the vote remaining on him. *This was mostly done as per request of Shino's question about Omega's more current posts.

Define "genuine scumhunting", if you would please. I've asked plenty of questions, garnered multiple responses, and have questioned plenty of other cases/notions. As of a result, I've procured multiple rather steady reads, none of which have been without merit. The fact that Omega became increasingly confused, vote swapped multiple times for shitty reasons, and overall had zero meat behind them = Bad and scummy gameplay that confused the fuck out of me. I didn't think I'd have to type it out quite like that, but I suppose most people couldn't put two-and-two together or read between the lines of my post? ^ is the actual reason why I voted, not even due to whatever popularity HE acquired during the time of me posting. Which, if you notice the timeframe, is during the time where most of the Omega cases even began. During my process of voting when I hadn't even seen the other latest posts (including that of your own claim). So saying that I pushed him as a counterwagon, when at the time that I started with the post and already chunked/quoted in all of the posts I was responding to he wasn't even that prominently up there, seems moot to me. I didn't think I should focus on how good/bad I look to people. Isn't the entire concept of scum hunting revolve around digging through and finding scum, not busy yourself by making yourself looking pretty and towny? I have already stated and RESTATED that more than half of the points/cases about me are without merit. I made the mistake of having the idiotic argument/1v1 shit with Refa to which basically nothing got done because it was like beating your face against a wall with zero facial protection and shattering everything, and then realizing that nothing really got done from it. He chose to believe/state things that were not true regarding my posts, and did not budge from it, no matter how much I posted proving otherwise. So what can you do? Refa himself stated earlier with cases that he couldn't even really argue about as well. This is a similar case. Stating just "bad" doesn't say much. Elaborate if you wouldn't mind?

Pretty sure this is what happened. Only certain names were popping up on the Makaze ISO surfing thing, so I THOUGHT I got everyone. Apparently not. Brb need to check those two. Also, Prim's claim is.... urgh. I have no experience in terms of having known anyone claim deathproof before in a game, and with role madness, almost anything is plausible for the mods to have tossed on either side. Gut feeling wants to take him off of the secondary priority for today, but will be a last resort consolidation if people are wanting to put his claim to the test.

Also apparently I missed Bard in the eternal ISO surf from pg 8 - now. Did he not post, or did I just fuck up and miss him?

EDIT: I DID NOT SEE THE PRIMS CLAIM/POST AND OTHER MORE RECENT POSTS. FML

TL;DR on Propeller Knight: While I have trouble following the Prim's vote, I'm not otherwise receiving bad vibes from this slot. I think it's one of the highest probable town slots for me currently. TL;DR on Weapons: I'm not fully sure how to read this slot, tbh. A lot of the reads he has seems to spawn from Meta such, which is making the gauging of his case(s) a little more uncertain for me (I tend to try and avoid fullblown meta reading people if at all possible, personally, so this could be differences in mindsets that's making it hard for me to understand fully.) Null, and would be interested in hearing more from the slot when he can. TL:DR on BBM: You like to defend and sheep Refa's cases, and you also seem to like to spend time noting moreso negative items from playerslots without actually offering reads thereafter. While I highly disliked the errors/misreps earlier in D1, at this point you seem to be oddly wall sitting on multiple people, and the lack of conviction or desire to have a direct read on them feels off to me. Null leaning a bit scummish, mostly due to the pockets in information you seem to not be giving. Also, gonna ##Unvote here, since I will putting down a vote once this wall is done at the bottom. TL;DR on Snike/Fenrir Slot: Outside the tunneling of me, I am not reading much from this slot. I also failed to quote whatever came from Fenrir's post (but I will cry myself to sleep if I refresh this page and I lose most of my posting until now, so I'll have to look at it later), so not sure how I feel about this slot as a whole. Purely Null, and interested in hearing more about overall reads. TL;DR on Prims: For some reason, when I look at Prim's slot, I feel like he generally has stronger/more committed reads going for himself than what is up currently. Secondly, the posts also have a slightly worse feel because, while they're read posts, they're not really. The vast majority of the reads seem to either flop back and forth, or otherwise literally sit back and don't read in either spectrum, minus me, Weapons, and Fenrir (but assuming this post occurred before Snike posted, if the time stamps are correct). Not sure if due to lack of interest or effort, but I'm getting slightly lazy/minorly scummish vibes as a result. TL;DR of Refa: While I haven't had much issue with the latter half of his gameplay, Refa continues to remain more idle than expected regarding certain circumstances. In the case above, you remain Null on the Arcanite slot and the main contention of the slot is due to their case on you specifically? Has weird vibes of just sitting and waiting, instead of being more proactive about getting your own reads more clarified for the sake of making more definitive calls/reads as a whole. Also, there are undeniable correlations happening from time to time between Refa/BBM that I'm finding while reading through both of their ISOs, which is something to be noted. At this point, I do not believe that he is my STRONGEST scum read, but he remains in my top contenders to be lynched. TL;DR on Shinori: Hasn't really moved much for me, tbh. Might be the fact that (at the time I started this post on Pg 8), this was the only thing that popped up for me to look through, and most of it I didn't have issues with. There is some issue with vagueness (like with the Prim's wagon comment) that I want answered, but all in all, I've not gotten massively bad vibes from his slot so far. Null leaning more towards townish. TL;DR of Omega: Confusion and madness are the best ways for me to describe what I'm garnering from this slot. I'm not sure if the Prims vote was more consolidation-esque (but even then I'm pretty sure I also had a good handful of votes on me at the time too?) or something else, but I also don't understand where the Snike vote just came from. I'm so confused and I do not trust this slot at all, and the case on me seems extremely weak compared to some of the other points/notions people have made against me. Would probably put him up in the highest tier of "would lynch today" and be done with it. TL;DR of Arcanite: Nothing new really stands out to me with this slot currently. Never had much of an issue with this slot, and remains around the levels of Propeller for me in terms of leaning townish on reads. TLDR OF ENTIRE POST/READS: Leaning town: Propeller, Arcanite, Shinori Null: Weapons, Snike Leaning Scum: Prims, Refa, BBM Top Prospect: Omega Omega > Refa/BBM/Prims ##Vote: Omega If he does not meet the lynch, I will be ok with consolidating any of the latter 3 if need be.

I.... just woke up. Good morning/afternoon all. Will be taking some time to catch up.