Roxas Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Well, we all know about that "3rd cavalier" archtype, right? Sain - strength Kent - skill Lowen - defense Kyle - strength Forde - skill Franz - defense But in Fuuin no Tsurugi, who's the "3rd cavalier"? The one that maxes in defense? I know Lance and Alan are the Skill and Strength respectively, but is it Treck or Noah that's the wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kintenbo Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Well, we all know about that "3rd cavalier" archtype, right?Sain - strength Kent - skill Lowen - defense Kyle - strength Forde - skill Franz - defense But in Fuuin no Tsurugi, who's the "3rd cavalier"? The one that maxes in defense? I know Lance and Alan are the Skill and Strength respectively, but is it Treck or Noah that's the wall? Treck, while it isn't as crazy as Lowen's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxas Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Treck's face scares me. Like Niime's. o_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ϲharlie Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 There really is no "third cavalier" archetype. If you want a cav with relatively high defense, Treck or Noah are your best bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxas Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 So am I able to use them interchangeably? Treck OR Noah? Because I'd honestly choose Noah. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Franz is not a defense archtype, that's just your personal experience, he has the same growth as Kyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykan12 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 What the? A skill archetype? Skill isn't even that useful a stat. I see cavalier patterns more in pairs. Red + green FE5: Kein + Alva (?) FE6: Alan + Lance FE7: Kent + Sain FE8: Forde + Kyle FE9-10: Kieran + Oscar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 So am I able to use them interchangeably? Treck OR Noah? Because I'd honestly choose Noah. :) They're similar, but Noah has a rather easy support with Fir, though. If you really feel like it, you could even use both as they support each other too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 FE5: Kein + Alva (?)FE6: Alan + Lance FE7: Kent + Sain FE8: Forde + Kyle FE9-10: Kieran + Oscar FE1: Cain and Abel FE3 Book 2: Rody and Luke FE4: Alec and Noish "Third Cav" FE1/DS: A bunch of people. Take your pick from Hardin, Vyland, Matthis, and Roshea FE3 Book 2: Cecil FE4: Ethlin's the only one I can think of, if not then you've got Finn/Lex/Sigurd to choose from FE5: Carrion/Finn FE6: Treck/Noah FE7: Lowen FE8: Franz FE9: Makalov/Astrid FE10: Makalov/Astrid/Titania/Geoffrey FE DS: Frey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 ...Let's just cut this archtype down to "tanky cav". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I doubt Lowen and Franz have an archetype. Same applies for Makalov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Makalov was a fairly tanky cavalier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 This isn't even an archetype, it is just another person of the same class. What's the next archtype? Secondary female Mage who is overhyped by a bunch of fanboys when the first male Mage is clearly better? (Ilyana, Lilina, Nino) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) I'm surprised why that (Linde) archetype isn't more popular than it is currently, Although, just to annoy people, Linde is arguably better in Book 2. However, yeah, I agree it's getting silly when you start picking archetypes based solely off their stats. IMO anyway. Edited February 20, 2009 by VincentASM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) @ Mekkah: You forgot Linde, which is a total repeat of the Lugh/Lilina situation. Only Merric owns Linde even harder. And maybe I'm living under a rock, but I've noticed little to no Ilyana fanboyism. Edited February 20, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxas Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 This isn't even an archetype, it is just another person of the same class. What's the next archtype? Secondary female Mage who is overhyped by a bunch of fanboys when the first male Mage is clearly better? (Ilyana, Lilina, Nino) QFT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) @ Mekkah:You forgot Linde, which is a total repeat of the Lugh/Lilina situation. Only Merric owns Linde even harder. And maybe I'm living under a rock, but I've noticed little to no Ilyana fanboyism. there was a shrine for Ilyana in the Creative Board once upon a time, you can probably still find it in the old buried threads. EDIT: Found it! Look here!!!!! And here!!!! Edited February 20, 2009 by Ananke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rei Rei Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 "Third Cav"FE4: Ethlin's the only one I can think of, if not then you've got Finn/Lex/Sigurd to choose from No love for poor Beowulf. And I don't like this "archetype" on a reasonable way, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 there was a shrine for Ilyana in the Creative Board once upon a time, you can probably still find it in the old buried threads. EDIT: Found it! Look here!!!!! And here!!!! Thanks, I neede a place to admire Ilyana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 This isn't even an archetype, it is just another person of the same class. What's the next archtype? Secondary female Mage who is overhyped by a bunch of fanboys when the first male Mage is clearly better? (Ilyana, Lilina, Nino) Since when is Soren "clearly" better than Ilyana? (FE9 anyway) Last I checked, they were very even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) They were. Except Soren had Adept, a huge mag AS, level, and durability lead, while Ilyana had....skill? Edited February 20, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykan12 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Faster supports too *looks at B Ike* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) And Soren also starts out suck, and Ilyana's bases are less suck. Compared at the same level their stats are very even (L6/0). What you said only matters for endgame, because they're close together until then. especially since Soren always loses AS for tomes -- Ilyana has the strength to use thunder and elthunder or something to compensate for less magic. So their AS remains more or less the same too.. In fact unless Soren decides to use Thunder (which reduces his AS to like two less than Ilyana) then he's doing worse than or equal to Ilyana until the endgame. :| (I'm not saying Ilyana > Soren I'm just saying that Soren's not crushing her). Edited February 21, 2009 by Nathan Graves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykan12 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 (edited) Nathan, I think you're exaggerating the whole "only in lategame" deal. Ilyana lv 20/1 (B Mordecai): 30.3 hp, 6.5 str, 17.0 mag, ~9 crit, 15.2 spd, 9.1 def, 21.0 res, 12.3 cev, 42.7 avo Soren lv 20/3 (B Ike): 31.5 hp, 3.0 str, 20.5 mag, ~10 crit, 18.4 spd, 7.1 def, 20.4 res, 11.3 cev, 63.1 avo Soren wins across the board. On offence, he has +3.5 mag (7.0 per double), 3.2 AS and even slightly more crit. Durability wise, 20.4 avo is leagues beyond 2 def and 1 res. As for tome weight, Ilyana only wins AS if Soren equips bolganoe, thoron, a seige or an S rank tome, while tying with elthunder and winning with everything else. Since they're roughly the same level, might as well just compare growths for the future, though Ilyana might pick up a Zihark support on the way if either of Brom or Muarim isn't used (+10 avo and +2 def). Differential (+ for Ilyana, - for Soren): 0% hp, +20% str, -10% mag, -10% skl, -10% spd, 0% def, -5% res, +10% luck Soren wins in everything important (mag, skl, spd) while only losing luck (lol), so Ilyana's strength growth advantage is all she's got to look forward to. So I'd say Soren is in fact winning by a lot. Edited February 21, 2009 by Vykan12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxas Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 ... you guys DO realize this is the Fuuin no Tsurugi forum... right? o_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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