Martelé Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Ewan is utter crap and if I'm using Knoll, I'm not using him for dark magic. Summoning ftw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dark magic is more suited for enemy units than anything. Jormungand, Nosferatu, Luna... all designed to screw over the player confronted with a horde of dark mages. Especially those 38 atk Nosferatu druids in FE6. But generally I found PC dark mages in FE6 to be halfway decent because of how available Nosferatu is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I voted Ewan. I've currently have him as a Super Pupil, and I'm raising his Elder level. It's not all that amazing though, his skill is screwed over and he isn't all that reliable against fast enemies with high Avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dark magic is more suited for enemy units than anything. Jormungand, Nosferatu, Luna... all designed to screw over the player confronted with a horde of dark mages.Especially those 38 atk Nosferatu druids in FE6. But generally I found PC dark mages in FE6 to be halfway decent because of how available Nosferatu is. That's what I'm thinking - that dark magic is better suited for enemies. I voted Ewan. I've currently have him as a Super Pupil, and I'm raising his Elder level. It's not all that amazing though, his skill is screwed over and he isn't all that reliable against fast enemies with high Avoid. I personally think that the Super Pupil sucks. No Con gain on promotion (as with the other super trainees) is one reason. And I don't use Gleipnir or Latona, since Ewan and Knoll are lolol and S-ranking staves is a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonBladeSniper Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I like Ewan, he is good if you train him a bit and doesn't come as late. Though he'd be MUCH better if he came earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kedyns Crow Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 I really don't find Ewan that hard to train, and have always been completely satisfied with his growths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Unfortunitally, dark magic isn't that great in FE8, but I still like to raise Ewan to a super pupil and then rape Tower of Valni with him - dark magic is useless in the main campaign if you don't want to spend ages in the tower leveling up Ewan or Knoll, but it can be pretty neat in the creature campaign. Luna has been nerfed to uselessness, but Nosferatu actually remained useful, and Flux is nothing special, but not bad either. (Also, there's always body rings!) Knoll, on the other hand, becomes a summoner and stops fighting after S-ranking dark magic, instead just spamming his summons and the occassional staff use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oujay Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I agree with azel, I will rather have ewan as a sage or mage knight and knoll as my dark user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Yay Knoll. He's cool, if I recruited Cormag he'd be benched. But yeah, Knoll's awesome. Also, how does dark magic suc in this game anyway? It seems fine to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Also, how does dark magic suc in this game anyway? It seems fine to me. Flux is nothing special, Nosferatu is good but cannot be bought in the creature campaign, Luna got nerfed beyond repair, Eclipse is lol and Fenrir weighs a ridiculous ton. Light magic at least has a constant Crt-bonus and scores an effective bonus against monsters if used by bishops, while anima is just great overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Also, how does dark magic suc in this game anyway? It seems fine to me. Ewan and Knoll are lolololol, Luna got nerfed to the point of uselessness, Eclipse is lol, Fenrir and Gleipnir weigh a ton. Also, Nosferatu's heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why-Fi Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 In FE 8, Ewan = Summoner and Knoll = Druid. Plain and simple. Also, you're forgetting about Lyon. He totally pwns the shit out of the monsters in Lagdou Ruins. He could solo Lagdou if you wanted him to. And he has an unlimited use spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted35362 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I always make Ewan a druid, and yeah, dark magic isn't that good. Flux is pretty much the only dark magic I use, since Nosferatu's too heavy, and Flux>Luna against most enemies. The level A and S spells are no help at all. They're too heavy, and Gleipnir doesn't even have monster effectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why-Fi Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Hmm... you're still forgetting Lyon and his Naglfar... But yeah, FE 8 is definitely not a good game for Dark magic. Except for the case I've been mentioning in my posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Also, you're forgetting about Lyon. He totally pwns the shit out of the monsters in Lagdou Ruins. He could solo Lagdou if you wanted him to. And he has an unlimited use spell. Yeah, let's ignore the fact that Naglfar not only drops Lyon's AS to the point where he can't double crap, it also drops it to the point where he might be GETTING doubled. And I seriously doubt that he's killing anything in the ruins with one hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) In FE 8, Ewan = Summoner and Knoll = Druid. Plain and simple. You do know that Ewan is a much worse summoner than Knoll, though? The stats of Ewan's phantoms are much worse than those of Knoll's, especially in LUK (which they need to avoid being insta-killed). Edited July 26, 2009 by Raymond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why-Fi Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) Yeah, let's ignore the fact that Naglfar not only drops Lyon's AS to the point where he can't double crap, it also drops it to the point where he might be GETTING doubled. And I seriously doubt that he's killing anything in the ruins with one hit. That's if you can't nurse him until he gets a pretty decent speed. Besides, with Rennac's secret shop card thingy (don't know its name), you can buy speedwings in secret shops to aid in the process. With that in mind, you can bypass Naglfar's weigth and double with it. Edited July 26, 2009 by Why-Fi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 That's if you can't nurse him until he gets a pretty decent speed. Besides, with Rennac's secret shop card thingy (don't know its name), you can buy speedwings in secret shops to aid in the process. With that in mind, you can bypass Naglfar's weigth and double with it. Well, if we're talking about pumping upgrades into the bonus characters and then comparing them, I guess Riev just becomes even better - much better than Lyon. He doesn't have infinite uses on his tome, but if you pump him with body rings and energy rings, he can just spam aura, dealing massive damage to monsters while still doubling them, often even OHKOing them. Oh, and there's always purge if he doesn't even want to come close. Draco zombies anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 That's if you can't nurse him until he gets a pretty decent speed. Besides, with Rennac's secret shop card thingy (don't know its name), you can buy speedwings in secret shops to aid in the process. With that in mind, you can bypass Naglfar's weigth and double with it. Hmpf. Lyon has a grand total of 0 AS with Naglfar. Even at max level, he only gets 3 AS with it. That WILL get doubled by EVERYTHING. You're essentially admitting that Lyon needs favoritism just to "bypass Naglfar's weight". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why-Fi Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Oh, and there's always purge if he doesn't even want to come close. Now let's compare. Eclipse vs. Purge. Both have the same range. Eclipse can be used by Lyon, Knoll and Ewan, Purge by Riev and any other Sage/Bishop/Valkyrie. But that's not the case. We're talking Lyon vs Riev, specifically. Eclipse halves enemy HP. You probably can't do the same with Purge unless the enemy is weak enough to die in one hit. So Eclipse is much better for the Dracozombies in Lagdou Ruins. And Eclipse's bad hit can be compensated with the said nursing and speedwings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) Now let's compare. Eclipse vs. Purge. Both have the same range. Eclipse can be used by Lyon, Knoll and Ewan, Purge by Riev and any other Sage/Bishop/Valkyrie. But that's not the case. We're talking Lyon vs Riev, specifically. Eclipse halves enemy HP. You probably can't do the same with Purge unless the enemy is weak enough to die in one hit. So Eclipse is much better for the Dracozombies in Lagdou Ruins. And Eclipse's bad hit can be compensated with the said nursing and speedwings. Never mind the fact that Eclipse has lol30hit. What good is Eclipse halving enemy HP if it'll almost never hit!? Purge is FAR better against DracoZombies than Eclipse ever will be. So no, Eclipse's crappy hit CAN'T be compensated for. At all. And Eclipse is next to useless against everything else. Why try (and most likely fail) to knock off half an enemy's HP when I can just sic someone else on said enemy and get better results? And Lyon has lol4avoid with Naglfar. Fail. Edited July 26, 2009 by Jonathan Aulin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Well, since the game practically tells you to level up characters in the Tower, I've played with Ewan ever since I got this game. Ewan is MUCH better as a Druid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why-Fi Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) This. Edited July 26, 2009 by Why-Fi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Now let's compare. Eclipse vs. Purge. Both have the same range. Eclipse can be used by Lyon, Knoll and Ewan, Purge by Riev and any other Sage/Bishop/Valkyrie. But that's not the case. We're talking Lyon vs Riev, specifically. Eclipse halves enemy HP. You probably can't do the same with Purge unless the enemy is weak enough to die in one hit. So Eclipse is much better for the Dracozombies in Lagdou Ruins. And Eclipse's bad hit can be compensated with the said nursing and speedwings. Riev's MAG caps at 25, Purge has 10 Mt, so Riev has 55 Atk vs. Monsters when using Purge (61 with Aura). Lyons MAG caps at 30, Naglfar has 25 Mt, so Lyon gets 55 Atk. The difference is, Lyon gets the same Atk in close combat as Riev with a ranged tome, but Riev gets even more Atk when going into close combat with Aura. About the ranged tomes, you aren't seriously implying that Eclipse is better than Purge, right? First off, Eclipse has lol 30 Hit (as opposed to Purge's 75), and Eclipse cannot crit or actually kill an enemy. Purge, however, can. Also, good luck actually hitting with Eclipse, seeing as Lyon can't even utilize +Hit supports to compensate for Eclipse's non-existant hit rate. Riev, on the other hand, doesn't even need them. Now, for some evidence: Random Draco Zombie, Lv10: 81 HP, 21 STR, 16 SKL, 8 SPD, 8 LUK, 30 DEF, 16 RES Wretched Air: 31 Atk, 136 Hit, 8 Crt, 8 AS, 24 Avd -> Capped Purge!Riev 2RKOs (3 Hits) at 100 Hit and 15 Crt -> Capped Eclipse!Lyon cannot KO at 61 Hit Oh, and using the 1-2-range-weapons: -> Capped Aura!Riev ORKOs (2 Hits) at 100 Hit and 25 Crt -> Capped Naglfar!Lyon 2RKOs (3 Hits) at 100 Hit and 9 Crt Clear enough? =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why-Fi Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Ok, ok, Lyon might not be better than Riev, but did you actually see my video? Oh, besides, Lyon can summon, just like a common Summoner. So if he's in too much trouble, you can have him summon some d00ds to take care of business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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