Socialism is superior

[Defeatist Elitist]

So basically, socialism owns you all, for these reasons:

1) Pokemon. They don't charge you to use Pokemon Centres, and you sure as fuck never have to pay insurance premiums. Fucking socialized medicine. Fuck yeah!

2) The fucking Jedi. Remember, the Sith believe the weak exist to serve the strong, while the Jedi believe the strong exist to protect the weak. That sound pretty fucking socialist to me, am I right bitch?

3) Also the Jedi don't fucking charge but I think they like get tax money or someshit, I dunno the exact thing but the point is its pretty fucking socialist.

4) The Greil Mercenaries are socialists. That's also why they are poor.

5) The fucking vikings man. They're socialist. Fucking socialists. What, don't think that's fucking awesome? Fuck you.

6) Nishi is not a socialist.

So basically, socialism is like, fucking eh, eh?

Edited January 24, 2010 by ZXValaRevan

[BK-201]

Fucking yes, this was placed in the FFTF for a reason wasn't it?

[Parrhesia]

[GKSB]

Don't forget the goddamn Batman. Goddamn, that guy worked for everyone, without charge, pretty goddamn socialist if you ask me.

[Defeatist Elitist]

Don't forget the goddamn Batman. Goddamn, that guy worked for everyone, without charge, pretty goddamn socialist if you ask me.

Fuck yeah man, that's pretty fucking true.

[uguu]

I was gonna post something but then I decided not to so yeah Socialism rules

[Emeraldfox]

So basically, socialism owns you all, for these reasons:

1) Pokemon. They don't charge you to use Pokemon Centres, and you sure as fuck never have to pay insurance premiums. Fucking socialized medicine. Fuck yeah!

Awesome.

[Nightmare]

I was gonna post something but then I decided not to so yeah Socialism rules

[Amelia]

Fucking yes, this was placed in the FFTF for a reason wasn't it?

[Admiral "Bull" Halsey]

Speaking of Socialism...

Just thought this was relevant.

[Florete]

Speaking of Socialism...

Just thought this was relevant.

I almost did that myself....

[Junkhead]

Ahahaha ha ha! How nice~

[Inactive Account]

i think socialism is a pretty cool thing, ti free foods for everyone and doesn't afraid of anything

...

Good Lord, I'm such a troll now

[CrashGordon94]

How do you buy/get/receive/whatever things in socialism anyway? I've always wondered that.........

[Fayt Zelpher]

How do you buy/get/receive/whatever things in socialism anyway? I've always wondered that.........

Well, that depends on what degree of socialism you're talking about. If you're talking about the 'socialism' in Western Europe or that Obama is 'supposedly' bringing to America, the answer is that:

a: that's not socialism

b: the same (more or less) as any market economy (seeing as though market systems still exist)

If you're talking about a socialistic economy in the strict economic sense, the answer is that there might still be markets to buy and sell stuff. A dirty secret in the economics community is that socialism, strictly defined, means nothing more than the government controlling and operating the basic means of production. In other words, the government acts much as businesses do, buying factors of production (land, labor, and other resources) and selling outputs (goods and services).

If you're talking about the colloquial definition (i.e. Communist-type socialism), there need be no markets. Instead, the government distributes goods and services to the population in accordance with certain rules and regulations (or at least, in theory they do, hence the bribery culture that you might see in Russia, which probably carried over from Soviet times, and probably the Czarist system before that).

Hope that helps.

Edited January 24, 2010 by Randomly Predictable

[CrashGordon94]

It does, thank you.

.....After careful consideration, I have to say that I prefer Capitalism, though I do think Communism has its benefits though.

[Mousefire]

It does, thank you.

.....After careful consideration, I have to say that I prefer Capitalism, though I do think Communism has its benefits though.

um, communism has little benefits. now socialism...

[CrashGordon94]

It does, thank you.

.....After careful consideration, I have to say that I prefer Capitalism, though I do think Communism has its benefits though.

um, communism has little benefits. now socialism...

Yes, little benefits, though they're still there, there might be some circumstances where it could be helpful, however rare those are.

However I will say that Socialism, of the non-Commie kind just sounds like a worse version of capitalism.

[Mikethfc]

Don't forget the goddamn Batman. Goddamn, that guy worked for everyone, without charge, pretty goddamn socialist if you ask me.

Don't forget Gandalf the Red from the Bolshevik revolution

You shall not Tsars!

[Fayt Zelpher]

It does, thank you.

.....After careful consideration, I have to say that I prefer Capitalism, though I do think Communism has its benefits though.

um, communism has little benefits. now socialism...

Yes, little benefits, though they're still there, there might be some circumstances where it could be helpful, however rare those are.

However I will say that Socialism, of the non-Commie kind just sounds like a worse version of capitalism.

With my (albeit limited) study of economics, I must state that there really is no such thing as a 'free-market' though. The very existence of markets requires that government set up some framework. Otherwise, all economic transactions would take place via clubbing instead of voluntary interaction.

[Defeatist Elitist]

It does, thank you.

.....After careful consideration, I have to say that I prefer Capitalism, though I do think Communism has its benefits though.

um, communism has little benefits. now socialism...

Yes, little benefits, though they're still there, there might be some circumstances where it could be helpful, however rare those are.

However I will say that Socialism, of the non-Commie kind just sounds like a worse version of capitalism.

What, are you fucking retarded? Have you even read the first post?

[Erk]

I believe that the pokemon comment was amazing. Thats all I have to say about that.

[Parrhesia]

The ad above this thread says;

OBAMA CARE: STOP HIM!

This thread is a hearty 'fuck you' to that.

[Fayt Zelpher]

GOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!

[Original Alear]

I am anti-social so I hate socialists. Why do they have to socialize all the time?

If you're talking about a socialistic economy in the strict economic sense, the answer is that there might still be markets to buy and sell stuff. A dirty secret in the economics community is that socialism, strictly defined, means nothing more than the government controlling and operating the basic means of production. In other words, the government acts much as businesses do, buying factors of production (land, labor, and other resources) and selling outputs (goods and services).

That's not exactly true, IMO. Producer cooperation is one form of socialism, but producer AND consumer cooperatives (i.e. producers and consumers w/in one cooperative as opposed to producer and consumer co-operatives existing separately) is another possible form of socialism. Sorry for saying things like this in a Forest thread though.

With my (albeit limited) study of economics, I must state that there really is no such thing as a 'free-market' though. The very existence of markets requires that government set up some framework. Otherwise, all economic transactions would take place via clubbing instead of voluntary interaction.

The main argument is that people trading will set up their own framework, assuming trade is conducted frequently enough (i.e. if the market is large enough). Basically, if people engage in bad trade and make losses for their company, their companies will fire them and other firms won't hire them because they're a bad investment. As I understand it, the argument from free marketeers isn't so much that there should be no framework, as it is that there does not need to be something partially autonomous from the market that imposes such a framework.

I think it is unlikely that if the government did not exist, all economic transactions would take place via clubbing. That might be the way things go at first, but as people grouped together (because small groups < large groups) everyone would be absorbed into the large groups (because you would rather join the gruops than resist them) and at some point the large groups would stop fighting each other and trade instead.

Edited January 25, 2010 by SeverIan