tiff Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Yeah, except the only way to make her not suck is if you spend a long time on the map. Many of us don't see that as permissible. i'm sure you can find it in your heart to allow him to play that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Im playing hard mode and I hate how wrath hates me by never activating criticals ):< Fiona is hard to train but she's so useful in utility <3 rescuing. Devdan is pretty hard to train here, he can't keep up. Jill's hp is lame Nolan really sucks, Aran is meatshield now. Titania never doubles when I want her to :\ but she's useful. Shinnon makes a great meatshield Boyd+Crossbow = <3/and more kills for Oscar :D Nephenee is too frail right now Marcia rocks everything, except bowmen Astrid is decent due to canto/moving to safety Haar never doubles but thats good for my team ;) Mia is really good with Wo Dao, I still don't like her :/ Lethe has her uses Mordecai is so awesome in Part 2 endgame Soren looks so lame compared to Ilyana Rhys and Mist get owned by anything Wow Lyre actually really sucks :( transformed and does 3 damage no double on a soldier :/ at least Fiona/Meg can count on a forge. Edited February 10, 2010 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachy Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I try to use Astrid a lot, mainly because Double Bow + 9 mov = Amazing. I avoid using Shinon, and I've been pretty successful at avoiding him. He sits at the back of 3-P and 3-1, doing nothing. Then I remove him in 3-2, and he rots in my lineups with Meg, Lyre and Fiona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I try to use Astrid a lot, mainly because Double Bow + 9 mov = Amazing. I avoid using Shinon, and I've been pretty successful at avoiding him. He sits at the back of 3-P and 3-1, doing nothing. Then I remove him in 3-2, and he rots in my lineups with Meg, Lyre and Fiona. If she has all of her caps, she is not bad. :) I only wish I didn't have to hack to get those results... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 underleveled doesn't mean shit to me considering the way I play. I'm completely content with using a mediocre class. (I'm stubborn btw) Nobody's saying your way of playing is wrong. You can like using Pelleas and Soren, that's fine. But saying they're good units (especially Pelleas) is going too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu Okunato Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Nobody's saying your way of playing is wrong. You can like using Pelleas and Soren, that's fine. But saying they're good units (especially Pelleas) is going too far. Considering he can do pretty well endgame as a level 4 arch sage, he is pretty good. Though I do admit he does have his downsides and isn't great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Nobody's saying your way of playing is wrong. You can like using Pelleas and Soren, that's fine. But saying they're good units (especially Pelleas) is going too far. Alright, thanks for putting it into perspective for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Poleax Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) Characters I always use: Boyd Oscar Rolf Rhys (only for healing) Edward Kieran Marcia Calill Gatrie Jill Edward Nolan Zihark Laura (only for healing) Mist (only for healing) Micaiah (I hate her but I feel like she's forced on me so I have to put up with her, ugh) Ike Nephenee Haar Reyson Characters I don't usually use (I've used them all before) Leonardo Meg Fiona Lyre Astrid Lethe Mordecai Janaff Ulki Ranulf Volug Maurim Vika Nealuchi Danved (stop using after 3-9) Makalov (stop using after 3-9) Bastian Volke Sothe (only steal stuff and maybe weaken enemies in part 1 but I hate him so I'll avoid using him when I can) Lucia Tauroneo Kyza Sanaki Ena Kurthnaga Gareth Heather (only used to steal stuff on maps where she won't take another unit's place, otherwise I don't use her) Tibarn Caineghis Giffca Ilyana Stefan Brom (stop using him after part 2) Renning Pelleas Nailah (only use her to rescue a prisoner in 1-8 and kill the thieves in 1-E) Oliver there's probably more I don't use but I can't remember them Edited February 11, 2010 by KSFF2150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Considering he can do pretty well endgame as a level 4 arch sage, he is pretty good. Though I do admit he does have his downsides and isn't great. Just to clarify... what difficulty is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu Okunato Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Just to clarify... what difficulty is this? normal mode...and easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 normal mode...and easy I don't really like comparing characters in NM or EM since it is extremely simple to make any unit godly. Or almost any unit, anyway. Seriously, a tier list for EM/NM should probably have just lower mid and upper mid. Well, more like top and high, but if there isn't anything beneath then you should just call it upper and lower mid. Well, some units probably still fall below, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) Haar has often scored the most kills for me despite usually being excluded from endgame. I also use Soren a lot even though I don't think he's very good. Besides the almost assumed units to use on the DB (Nolan, Volug, Sothe, Zihark) I have used Aran every time, and Jill almost as much. (even if she is getting less-than-average stats, she's incredibly useful during part 3). I admit I've never seen Sothe be useful in part 4, and even during part 3 I tend to give him the least intense positions (middle area of map w/ no staircases, fights indirect combat). But his part 1 is great. I also use Kurthnaga as a combat unit pretty much every PT, even on hard. I usually horde my boosters too much so I tend to give him +4 skill, spd, str when I first get him. Most of my other units already don't need much more raising (ike, shinon, tibarn, gatrie, etc) or are crap anyway (sanaki, sothe). I dunno why but it's much harder to bring myself to use boosters on units people like to use them on (for instance don't people often speedwing haar, gatrie or titania) because I overvalue their 20/20 stats (which they may never see) which often have capped spd anyway (esp w/ occasional BEXP leveling). Besides one time that I was forced to use him on a tier playthrough, I have never liked Oscar that much. Even though he sees a lot of play for his 9-move during early part-3, he is one of the units I am most likely to try and eliminate from the team, I guess because of the low spd cap. I usually try and bring Volug to nearly every endgame. Recently I've been doing the "using every unit through consecutive PTs" topic but before that I brought him a lot. Mostly cuz I think wolves are cool. I avoid Leo like the plague by the end of part 1. My 3rd "using every unit" PT I am required to use him, other than that I never even see him get sniper (ok I think my EM PTs I have??). However, I do often use him in part 3 because he can be useful against hawks in 3-13. (helps your other units get to the frontlines faster) Realistically nolan can often do it just as well w/ a crossbow-type weapon. I like Edward a lot more, he's not great but I get occasional use out of him. I've actually used him as a SM on hard sometimes. Annoyed by: Rolf and Astrid. I liked training low level units, but these are some examples of low level + low growth. In FE10 everyone has crazy growth, so, for example, the same 40% is high in other games but low in FE10. Rolf doesn't have "low" growths, he just doesn't have high growths. It's just that prepromotes also have good growths, and w/ a couple levels of BEXP abuse w/ stats capped, most units in this game will cap all important stats. There aren't that many units available who have later-on potential that makes up for early game suck, cuz they're basically the same endgame as everyone else. Or so it seems to me. Edited March 7, 2010 by SeverIan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) I gave wrath to Jill in part 3 and she made everything easier :) Leo is decent in Part 3 for ballista and enemy pegs Nolan is good for wall except on my current playthrough speed screwed Nolan and Aran had hand axes/javelins instead. Fiona, Zihark, Tauroneo and Edward were my walls instead. Edited February 14, 2010 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Well, I primarily stick with EM, so I can easily field lots of mages without too many problems, and I've always got >100,000 BEXP by part 4, so I don't have that big of an issue with underleveledness. However, sages lose lots of points for having weak tomes (max forge is a 10 Mt fire + 3 with cards vs. 19 Mt Silver Axe +3), and SS weapons with 15 uses compared to 50 for the SS weapons. The fact that they all have horrid speed growths doesn't help. Really, Soren's the only decent one for a good run, and even liking sages as I do, it's not hard to see that they went from really good to downright mediocre at best. Sadly, none of the Sages are even halfway decent. They all suck ass, even at their caps, which they never reach. Their SS weapons suck ass, I could go on forever. Sages are my favorite class. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I gave wrath to Jill in part 3 and she made everything easier :) Leo is decent in Part 3 for ballista and enemy pegs Nolan is good for wall except on my current playthrough speed screwed Nolan and Aran had hand axes/javelins instead. Fiona, Zihark, Tauroneo and Edward were my walls instead. Wrath... Bleh. It's been nerfed to the point of near-uselessness (30% or less HP requirement ftl). Being in one-hit-kill range for a critical boost? DO NOT WANT. I find Edward annoying to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanatha Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 As much as I love to bring Naesala and Leanne to the final Endgame, it's kind of annoying. I feel like I always need to bring the two of them so that they can get an A-level relation! XD But it doesn't matter: I do it anyway!! People I tend to use: Naesala Leanne Shinon Heather Zihark Ilyana Elincia Marcia People I do not tend to use: Sothe Generals Laguz (except for Naesala and herons, sometimes Janaff) Oliver Bastian Fiona Mist I think that's a good summary. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 Wrath... Bleh. It's been nerfed to the point of near-uselessness (30% or less HP requirement ftl). Being in one-hit-kill range for a critical boost? DO NOT WANT. I find Edward annoying to use. In my current playthrough I gave wrath to mounted units wielding ranged weapons that way they get to move back to safety ;) For now Tanith and Jill have used wrath the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 In my current playthrough I gave wrath to mounted units wielding ranged weapons that way they get to move back to safety ;) For now Tanith and Jill have used wrath the most. ...Eh. The number of units that could make good use of Wrath, I can count on one hand (Micaiah). What you're doing, while a sound strategy, is also rather restrictive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 Micaiah is a great choice :o how did I not think that/sacrifice. She has blossom now though. How is it restrictive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Micaiah is a great choice :o how did I not think that/sacrifice. She has blossom now though. How is it restrictive? How is it not? I can't let anyone who's HP is low enough for Wrath to kick in get attacked on enemy phase, or chances are they'll die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayt Zelpher Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 How is it not? I can't let anyone who's HP is low enough for Wrath to kick in get attacked on enemy phase, or chances are they'll die. I'd actually suggest Gatrie or Mordecai, myself. Mordecai is especially good with resolve though, since he has high defense transformed, high HP, and can get hurt while untransformed. But yeah, Gatrie is a very good candidate for the wrath scroll. The other alternative is Mia and her innate vantage. Once she hits TB and max skill, she can show >100 crit with a killing edge and nearly 100 with other weapons too. In other words, she can avoid tank, or simply crit-kill before she even needs to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 That is true but I always make sure they are walled by someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I'd actually suggest Gatrie or Mordecai, myself. Mordecai is especially good with resolve though, since he has high defense transformed, high HP, and can get hurt while untransformed. But yeah, Gatrie is a very good candidate for the wrath scroll. The other alternative is Mia and her innate vantage. Once she hits TB and max skill, she can show >100 crit with a killing edge and nearly 100 with other weapons too. In other words, she can avoid tank, or simply crit-kill before she even needs to. Admittedly, Mordecai can make good use of Resolve. But I consider having low health for a critical boost that, in all practical likelihood, isn't even worth it highly counter-intuitive. As for the alternate... Eh. Killing Edges aren't even worth the cost in my book (3600 gold for a weapon that's weaker than a Steel Sword? WTF. And with this being a game where enemies actually have luck... Double whammy to the usefulness of the Killing Edge, as well as killer weapons in general). And Vantage doesn't always activate this time, and gambling on a crit boost that's not even worth being in OHKO range is highly impractical in my book. That is true but I always make sure they are walled by someone. ...Way to prove my point. Especially since even Canto can't be much help if you used almost all your move just to attack in the first place. In the end, I consider whatever amount of gold that the Wrath scroll sells for to be of much more use than the skill itself, which is saying a lot seeing as it probably doesn't even sell for that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 I prefer to admit than be in denial. I do not agree anyway about wrath but its really my tactic preference not that I intend to say my idea is superior to yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I prefer to admit than be in denial. I do not agree anyway about wrath but its really my tactic preference not that I intend to say my idea is superior to yours. I find it odd that you'd prefer risky, counter-intuitive strategies over safe ones in a game like Fire Emblem, where one wrong move can be very costly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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