Soul's FE10 Casual effeciency playthrough [Complete]

[Junkhead]

Would anyone recommend me to stay a little longer in 2-E and retrive the Dracoshield and the Energy Drop?

[Interceptor]

Unless you have some doctrinal objection to spending a couple of turns early on that may not save you turns later, you can make the rest of the game easier on yourself by getting all of the good items from 2-Endgame whilst training as much as you are able to in the process.

[nflchamp]

Would anyone recommend me to stay a little longer in 2-E and retrive the Dracoshield and the Energy Drop?

You can do whatever you want. If staying in 2-E for an extended period doesn't seem to have any effect on Part 3/4, then it'll simply be chalked up that staying in 2-E longer than necessary is inefficient.

[Junkhead]

2-P

Nealuchi, Marcia and Elincia went on taking turns on who got the kills. Elincia only got to heal Marcia a few times, until Haar arrived, and took over.

Obviously, Haar got the boss kill.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Elincia    1.44 36 21  19  23  24   29 18  26
Marcia     5.34 34 16   6  17  20   12 16  15
GAAR      11.67 47 25   2  26  22   13 25   7

8 turns.

2-1

This, along with 2-2 were the only strategies I used from Dondon.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Nephenee   2.11 33 15   7  20  21   13 15  14
Brom       2.26 36 19   4  17  16   13 21   9 
Heather    7.00 32 15   9  21  25   16 10  14

8 turns.

2-2

See above.

Lucia got the boss kill.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Nephenee   2.54 33 15   7  20  21   13 15  14
Brom       2.40 36 19   4  17  16   13 21   9 
Heather    7.27 32 15   9  21  25   16 10  14
Lucia     14.64 38 20  10  29  29   19 14  15
Nealuchi  22.30 53 10   4   9  18   24 10  10
Leanne     5.90 25  0   3   1   6   27  2  11

4 turns.

2-3

Preparations menu

Bought a Hammer and Killer Bow to later transfer to the GMs by giving them to Marcia.

<Begin>

This time here, I went through a pacifist clear, leaving a total of 40 enemies alive. I even got the Speedwings, which Marcia took with her.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Geoffrey  16.02 37 25   8   23  20  19 18  16
Kieran    11.18 41 21   6   20  20  16 18  11
Marcia     5.99 34 16   6   17  20  12 16  15
Makalol    7.14 37 18   5   17  18  20 17   9
Astrid     2.64 33 13   8   16  15  17 10  14
Danved     9.29 39 17   8   23  21  18 15  12

5 turns.

2-E

Preparations menu

- BEXP'd Haar up to lvl 14.67 (In which he capped Def & Spd, and was 1 point away from capping Str)

<Begin>

Marcia arrived, traded the items she was transfering to the GMs to Leanne so she can give them to Haar and then Vigor him so he could move further, at Ludveck's range.

Haar waited for Ludveck to aproach him...and then he bashed him with two swings of his Hammer, ending it very quickly.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
GAAR      15.16 47 28   2   26  24  15 26   8

1 turn.

Lol.

Edited December 11, 2010 by Flint Eastwood

[Fenrir]

sucks tht you missed energy drop, at the very least, +2 str for heather. Nice to see a non-Nolan PT aswell.

[Junkhead]

Heather might claim the 3-5 Energy Drop if I don't give it to the hawks.

[nflchamp]

2-E strategies that will never be seriously taken into account on the tier list.

At least if it really is as luck based as it sounds.

[dondon151]

Heather should never really survive being attacked more than 2 times.

[Junkhead]

3-P

Preparations menu

- Adept for Mia.

- Titania and Boyd trade each of their axes (since Titania has enough Str and Spd needed to 1RKO many enemies already).

<Begin>

In this chapter, my goal was to build supports, and feed kills to underleveled scrubs like Soren, Mia and Boyd. Mostly Soren.

Not many Laguz died here. Shinon stole the boss kill before any pussy could.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Ike      11.40  49 26   2   30  25  14 23   9
Soren     6.20  28 10  26   23  20  11  9  23
Titania  16.26  36 25  10   24  23  19 20  14
Shinon   13.87  43 23   7   30  26  15 22  14
Boyd      8.96  50 24   1   22  20  13 17   8
Mia       7.82  34 19   5   28  30  18 13   8

7 turns.

3-1

Preparations menu

BEXP'd Soren (HP/Mag/Spd), Boyd (HP/Skill/Spd) and Shinon (HP/Str/Spd)

<Begin>

Ike and Soren decide to block the chockpoint to the left, followed by Shinon and Boyd, who stayed close by, killing enemies through the walls. Mia head through the main path, killing the weaker enemies like Halberdiers, a Swordmaster and some Mages, and the enemies she left behind, like Generals, were left for Gatrie to finish. Titania took on the dark side of the map, where most of the Generals are. There she charged straight ahead with her Killer Axe, pulling criticals in almost everyone of her fights, resulting in 1RKO's from everything she faced. Then she assisted Mia with enemies up at the top, to be later followed by Boyd to get a few spare kills.

Finally, Shinon gets the boss once again.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Ike      12.31  49 27   2   30  25  14 24  10
Soren     7.42  29 10  26   23  21  11  9  23
Titania  16.95  36 25  10   24  23  19 20  14
Shinon   14.79  44 24   7   30  26  15 23  14
Boyd      9.80  51 24   1   23  21  13 17   8
Mia       8.64  34 19   5   28  30  18 13   8

5 turns.

3-2

Preparations menu

I sold alot of stuff I was not going to be needing for my trip. Stuff like weapons I won't be using, items and skills I find useless, bought alot of weapons, forged Mia a Max Mt/Crit. Steel sword and sold the Silver Card. Then I gave Boyd Part 2's Secret Book and Speedwings.

BEXP'd Shinon (HP/Str/Def), Boyd (HP/Str/Spd) & Titania (HP/Spd/Luck)

- Established Ike x Soren C & Shinon x Boyd C supports.

- Gave Savior and Celerity to Ike.

- Gave Adept to Boyd.

<Begin>

Soren moved as far as he could, to then be rescued by Ike, so they could move together towards the boss, without putting Soren in danger, so Ike gains more Avo and so they can go on building their support. Mia and Shinon cleared the enemies that they avoided a fight with, or simply let go since Ike didn't have 2-range. Haar just flies around following the other two's idea (He is supposed to Lure the boss towards Ike), on the way their, he bashed a few Generals and Wyerns. Boyd makes his way with the enemies to the North, tearing them up with Hand Axes and Adept. Once the boss fell for Haar's decoying, Ike finished up.

I was originally planning on Soren to get the boss kill, actually. :(

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Ike      12.97  49 27   2   30  25  14 24  10   C Soren
Soren     7.64  29 10  26   23  21  11  9  23   C Ike
Shinon   15.48  45 25   7   30  26  15 24  14   C Boyd
Boyd     10.93  52 25   1   25  24  13 17   8   C Shinon
Mia       8.88  35 20   5   29  30  18 13   8
GAAR     15.85  47 28   2   26  24  15 26   8

4 turns.

Edited December 14, 2010 by Flint Eastwood

[Narga_Rocks]

Oh god. You really are making the Ike x Soren support. What the hell?

[Anouleth]

Not only that, he made IkexSoren in one chapter, meaning he stuck them together for 7 out of 9 turns.

[Narga_Rocks]

Not only that, he made IkexSoren in one chapter, meaning he stuck them together for 7 out of 9 turns.

Ike x Soren are a 01, not a 00. 16 from being deployed together. Need another 34. Unless there is an extra bonus for HM that doesn't exist in NM (unlikely), he needed to either have:

9 adjacents (every single turn!!!)

8 adjacents + 1 shove

7 adjacents + 3 shoves

6 adjacents + 5 shoves

etc

or have Ike carry Soren for a fair amount of time

Whatever the case, I can't believe that it didn't affect his ability to move Ike forward to help out. But since he's wasting exp trying to build up Soren's level (seriously, why???) I doubt that he had Ike carry Soren, so it's pretty much tying Ike to the 6 move anchor known as Soren and possibly even shoving him once or twice.

It's not shocking that he didn't pull off 8 turns (or better). Though he did claim it was Skrimir's fault, so it's possible he just had the other units shove Soren a ton to allow Ike and Soren to keep up.

Edited September 15, 2010 by Narga_Rocks

[Junkhead]

Like I said...Skrimir literally messed up. He was about to kill the boss, but untransformed. Then another cat was in the way, and since it was transformed, Titania couldn't rescue it. I could've done it in 7 turns.

As for the IkexSoren support: Ike was indeed tied to a 6 Mov anchor, but it had no significant difference on pulling 7-8 turns. Since this map has FoW, I don't go full Mov with anyone. Ike weakened some enemies for Soren to kill.

[dondon151]

Why are you making Ike x Soren?

[Junkhead]

Because I'm actually using Soren. =P

I don't think Mia needs extra Avo, which is why I'm supporting with Boyd, for extra Atk instead.

[dondon151]

So I don't quite understand the word "efficient" in the topic title.

[Narga_Rocks]

Why are you making Ike x Soren?

He likes making a support pairing that not only wastes Ike's earth support on a character that will never be durable under efficient play but also makes 3-13 more of a pain than it would otherwise be?

Now, he does have transfers for Soren, so you can create a level 10/1 Soren that looks like this with only bexp levels:

mag 80%, hp 40%, spd 35%, lck 35%, str 25%, def 25%

lvl     hp     str      mag     skl     spd     lck    def      res
5	28  	9  	25  	23  	20  	11  	9  	23
6       29      9       26      23      20/21   12/11   9       23
7       30      9       27      23      20-22   11-13   9       23
8       31      9       27      23      21-23   12-14   9       23
9       32      9/10    27      23      22-23   13-15   9/10    23
10      33      9-11    27      23      23      14-16   9-11    23

so probably 

       33      9/10    27      23      23      15      9/10    23

He gave him a robe too.

Hope for def and he has

44 hp, 13 str, 29 mag, 25 skl, 25 spd, 15 luck, 14 def, 25 res.

And with an A support that makes

50 + 15 + 15 + 30 = 110 avo.

Trouble is, 44 hp and 14 def gets you 2 or 3 HKOd by most things, he has only 6 move, and he still faces alarming hit rates and still faces risky crit from a bunch of enemies while being 3HKOd.

Oh, and 25 spd has only a 30% growth and while he has staves he still won't level very quickly and he'll be lucky to double generals in part 4.

but at least for a lot of part 3 if he doesn't get crit-blicked he can ORKO all but swordmasters (needs fire forge, probably, for Generals at least) while having 1-2 range and facing listed hit mostly under 30 (crossbows can 4HKO and have ~50 hit rates and a lot of enemies are under 20). Of course, that means no crown for Haar or Gatrie in 3-3/3-4 and using a crown on a 6 move guy (many people's complaint about Gatrie).

Oh, and soul, you don't have to use soren, you know. In fact, it is advisable not to (like dondon said, why claim to be efficient if you use Soren?). And while Mia is still fairly good without extra avo, she's not nearly as durable. She's mostly stuck on player phase attacks and can only enemy phase when she'll only encounter 1 enemy on it. Basically, she'll be okay but not great. Kinda like Neph often is. Only without javelin forges. Yay.

Oh, and if you don't crown Soren he's going to blow forever. If you do crown Soren he's still going to suck, but at least he won't be a total fail. Unfortunately, it will hurt another unit a lot.

Edited September 15, 2010 by Narga_Rocks

[Junkhead]

3-3

Preparations menu

Bought the Dracoshield.

BEXP'd Ike (HP/Spd/Def), Boyd (HP/Str/Spd), Haar (HP/Str/Luck) & Mia (Str/Skill/Def).

- Haar got Celerity this time.

<Begin>

Haar flamed the place. /Chapter

Okay, not precisely.

The whole group made their way into enemy camp. And here's how they coordinated:

- Ike, Boyd & Shinon made their way through the left side of the camp, killing all the enemies there and retrieving the Master Crown.

- Mia made her way through the middle.

- Titania and Oscar went through the right side in the bushes, killing very few enemies there.

Then the boss started moving ever since Haar picked up the Hammerne staff in one of the things. He must've been pissed off to know he's flaming the place AND stealing their stuff. But later the boss got finished by Titania and Oscar. Heather and Oscar were deployed for burning the convoys.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Ike      13.27  50 27   2   30  26  14 25  10   C Soren
Soren     7.68  30 10  27   23  22  12  9  23   C Ike
Shinon   15.89  45 25   7   30  26  15 24  14   C Boyd
Boyd     11.99  53 26   1   25  24  13 18   8   C Shinon
Mia       9.82  35 21   5   30  30  18 14   8
GAAR     17.29  48 29   2   26  24  17 26   8

7 turns.

3-4

Preparations menu

Got a Blue Gem from Aimee and sold it, along with the Goddess Icon and bought the Silencer, built by Shinon, for Shinon.

BEXP'd Soren (Str/Spd/Luck), Shinon (Str/Mag/Luck), Boyd (Str/Skill/Spd), Mia (HP/Str/Def).

- Good bye Celerity, hello Savior. (Haar)

- Ranulf gets Celerity now, with the inclusion of Pass.

- Increased Ike x Soren & Shinon x Boyd to a B rank.

- Established Titania x Mia C support rank (+1 is all Mia needed to 1RKO Warriors without criticals, or Adept).

<Begin>

Haar ferried Ike up the mountain, equipped with a Hand axe. Boyd and Shinon weakened two enemies for Soren to kill. Ranulf, Titania and Mia head up the main path of the mountain. Near the end of the chapter, Haar dropped Ike up at the highest ledge, and he took care of things from their. Ike killed the boss, Haar killed Hammered the enemy next to him, and they both seize!

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Ike      14.38  50 27   2   30  26  15 25  10   B Soren  
Soren     8.83  30 11  27   23  23  13  9  23   B Ike
Shinon   16.13  45 26   8   30  26  16 24  14   B Boyd
Boyd     12.10  53 27   1   26  25  13 18   8   B Shinon
Mia      11.70  37 22   5   30  30  18 15   8   C Titania
GAAR     18.14  49 29   2   26  24  18 26   9

6 turns.

3-5

Preparations menu

BEXP'd Soren twice and Crown'd him. Then gave him a Speedwings.

BEXP'd Mia (HP/Str/Def).

- Soren also got Adept (Mia can handle most of the enemies without it by now, solely relying on criticals and doubling action).

- Raisin got Celerity.

- Established Haar x Heather C support rank (+1 needed to 1RKO some pallies).

<Begin>

Raisin used a Laguz Stone, then Canto'd out of enemy range. Soren and Ike heead straight to the boss. Boyd and Shinon took over the West opening (Boyd stood on the ledge for Turn 1 so enemies would suicide up to him). Mia took over the East opening by herself, and she did insanely well. Then Haar rescued Heather on the second turned, got Vigor'd by Raisin (Along with Ike and Titania) and dropped Heather in the bushes, where the enemies won't touch her. Titania killed the enemies that would threathen Raisin, and Ike killed enemies in Soren's way.

In the final turn, Soren attacked the boss without no Adept or Flare procs. Then, in Enemy Phase it was where the boss would attack Soren, miss, and had Soren counter with Flare.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Ike      14.87  50 27   2   30  26  15 25  10   B Soren
Soren     1.54  35 16  29   25  25  13 14  25   B Ike
Shinon   16.51  45 26   8   30  26  16 24  14   B Boyd
Boyd     12.90  53 27   1   26  25  13 18   8   B Shinon
Mia      13.36  39 23   5   30  30  19 16   8   C Titania
GAAR     18.89  49 29   2   26  24  18 26   9   C Heather

3 turns.

3-6

Preparations menu

Sold off alot of crap I defeneatly wouldn't be using, including weapons along with some skills (Well, it was probably Volug's Halfshift only, anyway).

I BEXP'd Jill to lvl 20 and Seal'd her. She is ready for battle. 8]

Zihark decides to grab the Speedwings of the team, and keep it in his pockets until 3-7.

Now, for skills:

- Eddie got Resolve.

- Jill got Beastfoe.

- Volug got Paragon.

<Begin>

Jill, along with an NPC Sniper take over the North-Western side. Meanwhile, Eddie, Volug and the rest of the NPCs stay at the right side to prevent any laguz from entering. Volug moved forward, Grass'd himself and uncovered two Cats that were hidden in the dark. Eddie kill one of them, and got shoved by Sothe to cover a very small entrance. This chapter was ridiculous. I just see Edward get hit by a Tiger once, and then dodge every single attack forever and 1RKO everything that faces him (He was not only at Resolve level, but at Wrath level too). And it just helped he stood at thickets, with a Volug C support, and Caladbolg. YES. Jill did pretty well two, as with a few Str procs, she started 1HKO'ing every enemy here.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Micaiah    2.92 19  7  15  13  11   16  7  13   
Edward    10.66 40 24   2  28  25   19 15   7    C Volug
Jill       6.98 44 25   5  22  25   24 23   9

9 turns.

Edited December 15, 2010 by Flint Eastwood

[Anouleth]

Ike x Soren are a 01, not a 00. 16 from being deployed together. Need another 34. Unless there is an extra bonus for HM that doesn't exist in NM (unlikely), he needed to either have:

9 adjacents (every single turn!!!)

8 adjacents + 1 shove

7 adjacents + 3 shoves

6 adjacents + 5 shoves

etc

or have Ike carry Soren for a fair amount of time

Whatever the case, I can't believe that it didn't affect his ability to move Ike forward to help out. But since he's wasting exp trying to build up Soren's level (seriously, why???) I doubt that he had Ike carry Soren, so it's pretty much tying Ike to the 6 move anchor known as Soren and possibly even shoving him once or twice.

It's not shocking that he didn't pull off 8 turns (or better). Though he did claim it was Skrimir's fault, so it's possible he just had the other units shove Soren a ton to allow Ike and Soren to keep up.

They don't start turn 1 together, so there must have been some shoving.

Alright, I probably did mess up with the title. But what is ineffecient, if Soren will be paying off for a while? I'm sorry, but I am not too sure about the defenition of "effeciency".

I can dump every stat booster in the game into Astrid if I wanted, and it would payoff. The problem lies in that the cost of doing all this for Soren is not worth what you will get out of it.

Problem is, even doing all this, Soren is still not particularly good compared to saaaaay, Gatrie, who could also have taken a Crown, wrt Part 3. And when you compare him to Gatrie come Part 4, he gets blown away since he needs to be something like --/10/10 to start doubling reliably on Greil Army. I guess you could get it lower with Blossom slowplay, but it's still a lot of levels and he's still at the mercy of the RNG.

also, lol @ giving Paragon to Micaiah in 3-6.

Edited September 16, 2010 by Mr. Know-it-all-Anouleth

[RNG Princess]

Your Micaih has nice stats.

BTW did you use Astrid on 2-3? Becuase if you did you gain 10respect points from me :3.

jk ^_^ I actually like this playthrough but I disagree with letting Laura die, efficiency-wise I'd rather loose Ilyana/Tormod/Others (except Micaiah, Nolan, and Jill) than Laura. BTW who is Brad?

Edited September 16, 2010 by Queen_Elincia

[Narga_Rocks]

They don't start turn 1 together, so there must have been some shoving.

Sure they do.

http://www.fireemblemwod.net/fe10/guia/parte-3-prologo.htm

Check it out. They say left to right,

- Boyd, Gatrie

- Mia, Rolf, Shinon, Ike

- Oscar, Mist, Rhys, Soren, Titania

And those two rows start on the same column. Ike is adjacent to Shinon and Soren on turn 1. Mia is adjacent to Boyd, Rolf, and Oscar. She's adjacent to all 3 brothers on turn 1. Mist is adjacent to Rolf, Oscar, and Rhys. etc etc. Go load it and see if wod is right. They seem to be right about most of this stuff. I did check wod before saying that 9 adjacents was a possibility.

[Anouleth]

Oh, ok. I assumed they didn't.

[Junkhead]

3-7

Preparations menu

BEXP'd Ike (Spd/Luck/Def) & Haar (HP/Luck/Res).

- Blossom for Soren.

<Begin>

Ike stays in his place, waitong for the Hawks to arrive. Shinon, Boyd, Mia and Haar will be my main force here. Mia took on the enemies spawning from the right of the swamp, like the starting Dracoknight, Warrior and Sage. Boyd and Shinon took most of the action at the middle of the map. And Haar would wonder off, eventually arriving just when Zihark was close by, only to be robbed by Heather (Yay, Speedwings) and then be 1HKO'd like a n00b. Heather then got rescued by Ulki. Haar then wondered off some more, killing spawning Dracoknights and the enemies that were next to Jill, including Nolan. And Soren just staffed and killed what he could kill (I don't mean the enemies he could fail to 1RKO some enemies, it's just that they were either out of his range and handled by others).

Raisin died. (:() But I didn't bother to restart because Boyd got an awesome Spd/Luck/Def proc level up. On the bad side, I lost a very valueble unit, and Celerity, but, well...it's not like I needed either.

Unit      Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res   Support
Ike      15.60  50 27   2   30  27  16 26  10   B Soren
Soren     2.09  36 16  30   26  26  13 14  26   B Ike
Shinon   17.46  45 27   8   30  26  17 24  14   B Boyd
Boyd     14.94  53 29   2   26  27  14 20   8   B Shinon
Mia      14.11  39 23   5   30  30  20 17   8   C Titania
GAAR     19.90  50 29   2   26  24  19 26  10   C Heather

12 turns.

Edited December 15, 2010 by Flint Eastwood

[El Rey León]

Might it be too late to ask how I am doing?

Do I suck?

Well, you need to check the dictionary again to see the definition of "efficient". :P

But otherwise, it seems fairly good. You've already established to me that you don't play like others (hence your going Ike x Soren when it would be better not to).

[dondon151]

There are other playthrough logs that you can compare turncounts to. See for yourself how you're doing.