[FE10] The "Does Haar Need to be Banned?" RD NM draft.

[Florete]

Exactly what it says on the tin. In this draft we will test to see how powerful Haar truly is and determine whether or not he needs to be banned in future RD drafts.

IMPORTANT: This is an experiment draft. There are two qualifications to sign up for this:

1. Be a fairly competent player, both in drafting and playing. I don't need you to be a perfect strategist, but if you're the kind of player who lets common mistakes pass and often ends up with higher-than-average turn counts, or just isn't very competitive in general for drafts, then I will have to ask you not to sign up. The best way to know is to compare your draft scores to what others have gotten. If you've never entered a draft, you'll need to show me some samples of your skill in another way.

I don't want to scare people away from signing up, but the logic here is that we can only make accurate judgments if the samples are of similarly high quality.

In addition, and this should go without saying, I'll need those who do sign up to take this one very seriously.

2. Finish it! We need as many samples as we can get, so if you plan to sign up, make absolutely sure you can finish in a timely manner. A month or two is a good time frame.

[spoiler=Rules]1. 7 Participants will each draft nine units to use in a Normal mode playthrough. The goal is to be the one with the lowest turncount at the end.

2. The following units are free for everyone: Ike, Micaiah, Sothe, Geoffrey, the Herons, the Black Knight and Lehran.

3. Undrafted units may only: recruit characters, trade with units and shove/rescue other undrafted units and NPCs. Everything else incurs a 4 turn penalty. Note that, although they are allowed to Move and Wait, they may not give out any sort of stat bonus, including but not limited to support, Bond, and Dragon skills.

4. Other and Ally units may do as they please without penalty.

5. RNG and Battle Save abuse to your heart's content. Yeah, I'm serious. I want to encourage people to stretch the limits of what units can do to see how fast they can complete maps. Although, try not to make wins be based on a strong of 1% crits.

6. Drafting order is snake style with a reverse on the last round. The undrafted unit remaining will be banned from use.

[spoiler=Exceptions to Rule 5]1. One of Edward or Nolan is free in each of 1-P, 1-1, and 1-2 (you don't have to use the same one in each chapter).

2. Volug if free in 1-5.

3. Elincia, Marcia and Nealuchi are free for 2-P.

4. Brom and Nephenee are free for 2-1.

5. One undrafted, non-Lucia unit is free for 2-2.

6. One undrafted, seven-move unit is free for 3-1

7. One undrafted, six-move unit is free for 3-3.

[spoiler=Unit list]Oliver. Poor, fat senator.

Participants:

Radiant Kitty: Haar, Ilyana, Nailah, Meg, Lucia, Ranulf, Makalov, Volke, Kurthnaga. 201 turns

Red Fox of Fire: Nolan, Mia, Marcia, Brom, Lethe, Skrimir, Astrid, Giffca, Bastian. 211 turns

Ring Wraith: Edward, Gatrie, Elincia, Naesala, Soren, Kieran, Tormod, Stefan, Renning.

Balcerzak: Jill, Boyd, Mordecai, Tibarn, Shinon, Caineghis, Muarim, Fiona, Ena.

PegKnightLover: Volug, Nephenee, Calill, Janaff, Rolf, Nasir, Kyza, Tauroneo, Pelleas. 244 turns

Angru Mainya: Titania, Zihark, Tanith, Sigrun, Heather, Sanaki, Leonardo, Danved, Gareth. 213 turns

Queen Kittylincia: Aran, Oscar, Laura, Ulki, Rhys, Nealuchi, Mist, Vika, Lyre. 213 turns

My log:

1-P: 5/5

For some reason I had a difficult time pulling off 5 turns this time when before it always just came naturally. Oh well, I got it.

MVP: Micaiah

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		2	16	2	8	8	8	11	2	5	A Sothe

1-1: 4/9

Having Edward and Nolan together is pretty amazing. I think this was only possible because of a lucky dodge for Micaiah, but that's okay.

MVP: Nolan

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		3	16	2	9	8	9	12	3	6	A Sothe
Nolan		9	29	12	0	11	10	7	9	3

1-2: 6/15

Sent Nolan and Micaiah straight up while Edward handled the south. Was able to maneuver such that I could get the Energy Drop and Thani. Somehow I think it could have gone better, but it worked.

MVP: Sothe

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		4	16	3	10	8	10	13	4	7	A Sothe
Sothe		1	35	18	4	20	20	15	14	9	A Micaiah
Nolan		10	30	12	1	12	11	8	10	4

1-3: 6/21

Altered my strategy a bit with Nolan to shave off a turn.

MVP: Sothe

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		6	16	5	12	10	11	15	5	9	A Sothe
Sothe		1	35	18	4	20	20	15	14	9	A Micaiah
Nolan		11	31	13	1	13	12	9	10	4

1-4: 6/27

This was kind of annoying. Sothe ended up going west while Nolan and Micaiah took east. Nolan wasn't strong enough to handle too much and it prolonged the map. Got the 3,000 Gold, but missed the Robe.

MVP: Sothe

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		8	18	5	14	12	12	17	6	11	A Sothe
Sothe		3	36	20	4	21	21	17	15	10	A Micaiah
Nolan		14	34	14	2	16	15	10	12	5

1-5: 6/33

Skills:

Micaiah - Wrath

Sothe - (Guard)

Nolan - (Nihil), Cancel

Got Nolan a ton of experience. Routed the map except for two enemies, one being a healer and the other a Soldier.

MVP: Nolan

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		8	18	5	14	12	12	17	6	11	A Sothe
Sothe		3	36	20	4	21	21	17	15	10	A Micaiah
Nolan		17	37	17	3	19	17	11	15	5

1-6: 4 & 2/39

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Adept, Cancel

Nolan - (Nihil)

1 - Sothe west, Nolan north, Micaiah middle-ish. Required some skill proccing a bit of luck but was not very hard.

2 - Nolan Shoves Sothe. Sothe kills boss.

MVP: Sothe

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		11	19	6	17	13	15	19	7	13	A Sothe
Sothe		5	36	22	5	23	22	19	16	12	A Micaiah
Nolan		19	39	18	3	20	19	11	16	7

1-7: 5/44

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Adept, Cancel

Nolan - (Nihil), Paragon, Savior

Promote Nolan.

Took a bit of doing but was easy in the end. Sothe Rescued Micaiah on turn 2 and gave her to Nolan on turn 3. Nolan dropped her two spaces away from the Armor, whom she killed. Sothe then killed the Longbow Archer, Micaiah moved, and Nolan Shoved Micaiah. Sothe was just able to weaken the boss enough for Nolan to get in a OHKO and let Micaiah Seize.

MVP: Nolan

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		12	20	6	18	13	16	20	7	14	A Sothe
Sothe		5	36	22	5	23	22	19	16	12	A Micaiah
Nolan		3	44	21	5	23	23	14	17	11

1-8: 4/48

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Adept, Cancel

Nolan - (Nihil), Savior, Celerity

Rafiel - (Blessing), Paragon

Sothe took east, Micaiah took south, Nolan took west. I don't need to draft those LEAs to make use of them. Vika and Muarim were used to Rescue NPCs in need and Tormod, with Nailah and Volug, moved in such a way so that that stupid Dracoknight would end up in a position where he could attack Micaiah at the end and not any of the Prisoners, causing a suicide.

Unfortunately Nolan needed Celerity to get the west area done (Rafiel with Celerity did not work), so he could not use Paragon.

MVP: Sothe

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		13	21	7	19	13	16	21	7	15	A Sothe
Sothe		6	37	22	6	24	23	19	16	13	A Micaiah
Nolan		3	44	21	5	23	23	14	17	11

1-9: 4/52

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

My standard 4 turns.

MVP: Micaiah

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		15	21	7	20	15	18	23	7	17	A Sothe

1-E: 7/59

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Adept, Cancel

Nolan - (Nihil), Savior, Paragon

Rafiel - (Blessing)

Ilyana transfers: (Shade), Pass, Celerity, Brave Sword, Killing Edge, Blue Gem, Shriek, Speedwing.

I was expecting 8 at best, 9 realistically, so this 7 turns I think is pretty awesome. Ironically, the Black Knight didn't even do much; he just couldn't keep up. Rafiel got the team advancing fast and Sothe, Micaiah, and Nolan ran up killing everything. Watching Micaiah single-handedly clear out all the enemies that came up to her at the top was pretty satisfying, and she made it to level 20. Micaiah needed a Shove (given by BK) on the last turn for the Seize and Sothe and Nolan teamed up for the Jarod kill, though either could have killed him alone, Sothe with an Adept proc (for an exact 3HKO) and Nolan with a powerful Steel forge.

MVP: Micaiah

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		1	26	11	21	19	21	26	10	21	A Sothe
Sothe		7	38	22	6	25	23	19	17	13	A Micaiah
Nolan		5	46	23	5	24	24	16	19	11

2-P: 8/8

This is almost a cutscene as far as drafts go. Marcia killed every enemy, even the boss. No, I didn't use Haar.

MVP: Marcia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Marcia		7	36	18	6	19	22	13	16	15	

2-1: 5/13

My plan was ruined by...Nephenee critting the first Armor with her 3 crit. As such, I was able to get through quite fast. Nephenee went to recruit Heather while Brom chipped away at Yeardley until Yeardley was defeated on the turn Heather was recruited.

I'm pretty sure I also managed to get all the Volunteer BEXP.

MVP: Nephenee

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Brom		3	37	20	4	18	17	14	22	9	

2-2: 6/19

I love using non-drafted units in ways that don't get a penalty! My free unit was Heather for Pass and ability to usually combine with Lethe/Brom for KOs. Brom and Lethe did most of the fighting while Lucia defended Leanne from enemies with her aura. Took some figuring out to get 6 turns, but taking advantage of enemy AI (specifically, knowing when that Halberdier would run off to heal himself) got this done with very little luck manipulation. Lethe got the the boss kill.

MVP: Lethe

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Brom		4	38	21	4	18	18	15	22	10
Lethe		21	51	9	6	13	12	18	9	10	

2-3: 5/24

Allies and Kieran escorted Astrid. Made sure to get the Speedwing with Marcia, then Marcia and Astrid teamed up for a boss kill as Geoffrey Seized.

MVP: Marcia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Geoffrey	16	37	25	9	24	21	19	18	15
Marcia		8	37	19	6	20	23	14	16	15	
Astrid		4	35	15	8	17	16	19	11	15

2-E: 1/25

Elincia and Haar? Psh. How overrated. Once again I pull off the Marcia + Brom duo kill of Ludveck, this time one turn faster, courtesy of Leanne. Lethe got some BEXP so she could level up before the death blow.

I wish Brom could have gotten more Str on his levels, though it is funny seeing him with 4 22s. The Speedwing from 2-3 was for him.

MVP: Brom

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Brom		13	45	22	4	22	22	22	27	11
Lethe		22	52	10	6	14	13	18	10	10	
Marcia		8	37	19	6	20	23	14	16	15	

Part 1 + 2 total: 84

[spoiler=Part 3]3-P: 8/8

Skills:

Ike - Adept, Provoke

Mia - (Vantage), Miracle

Some luck manipulation for the Laguz and plenty of resets to get the exact positioning down gives me 7 turns...or it should have, if Skrimir wasn't a total asshole who decides to kill a healer instead of taking the clear path to arrive and end the map. Stupid AI reliant chapter. At least I got an extra level out of Mia for it.

MVP: Ike

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		12	45	25	2	29	24	14	21	8
Mia		9	36	19	5	26	30	20	14	8

3-1: 7/15

Skills:

Ike - Adept, Provoke

Mia - (Vantage), Miracle

Boyd - Counter

Boyd was my free unit.

...In the end I'm not even entirely sure how I went about clearing. I tried so many different ways. Boyd went south to the armors, Mia went east, Ike went north and west. Everyone had their job done by turn 7, so the reinforcements didn't technically slow me down. That Warrior caused me a lot of problems and made me use exact positioning to be able to reveal him and have the remaining enemies suicide on Boyd.

MVP: Ike

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		15	47	27	2	30	26	16	24	8
Mia		11	38	21	5	27	30	21	16	9

3-2: 4/19

Skills:

Ike - Provoke, Pass

Mia - (Vantage), Celerity, Cancel

Brom - (Disarm), Pass

Charge boss. Kill him. If only Brom had a higher weapon level I think I could have saved a turn by getting a turn 3 crit with Tomahawk. Ugh.

MVP: Ike

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		16	47	27	2	30	26	17	25	9
Mia		13	40	23	5	28	30	21	17	9
Brom		14	45	23	4	22	22	23	28	11

3-3: 9/28

Skills:

Ike - Provoke, Pass

Mia - (Vantage), Celerity, Cancel

Brom - (Disarm), Pass

Gatrie - Adept

The plan: clear enemies from Mia's path. Gatrie stayed behind, Brom handled the stuff in the middle, Ike went to the top right, Mia got through the boss area. Got Blossom and Master Crown.

MVP: Mia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		18	48	27	2	30	27	18	25	10
Mia		16	40	23	5	30	30	22	20	9
Brom		16	45	25	4	24	22	25	29	11

3-4: 7/35

Skills:

Ike - Celerity, Counter

Mia - (Vantage), Cancel, Pass

Brom - (Disarm), Adept, Provoke

Lethe - Smite, Pass

Charge up the mountain, yeah. Not so tough here.

MVP: Ike

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		19	49	27	2	30	28	18	26	10	C Mia
Mia		1	44	26	9	32	32	24	25	15	C Ike
Brom		17	45	26	4	25	22	26	29	11
Lethe		23	53	11	6	14	13	19	11	11	

3-5: 2/37

Skills:

Ike - Counter

Mia - (Vantage), Cancel, Pass

Brom - (Disarm), Adept, Provoke

Lethe - Smite, Pass

Reyson - (Blessing), Celerity, Miracle

Mia runs to the boss and critkills him with Reyson's help.

MVP: Mia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		20	50	27	2	30	29	19	26	10	C Mia
Mia		2	45	27	10	33	33	24	25	15	C Ike
Brom		18	45	27	4	25	22	27	30	11	C Lethe
Lethe		23	53	11	6	14	13	19	11	11	C Brom

3-6: 7/44

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Cancel, Beastfoe

Nolan - (Nihil), Paragon

This was easy enough for the most part, until the end where I was constantly coming up one enemy short. I found a way, though, and Nolan's doing pretty well for himself considering only Lck isn't capped. Sothe, on the other hand, got three level ups that all gave him +1. What the hell.

MVP: Nolan

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		6	30	12	26	19	24	30	10	26	A Sothe
Sothe		10	38	22	6	26	24	22	17	14	A Micaiah
Nolan		17	53	30	5	26	27	21	23	13

3-7: 12/56

Skills:

Ike - Pass, Shade

Mia - (Vantage), Cancel, Celerity

Brom - (Disarm), Adept, Provoke

Lethe - Blossom, Counter

Reyson - (Blessing), Miracle, Pass

BEXP'd Lethe to 99 so she could level with Blossom, then got her all the Strike I could. She got to S and a bit more. Recruited Jill for some items.

MVP: Mia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		20	50	27	2	30	29	19	26	10	C Mia
Mia		3	45	28	10	34	33	24	25	15	C Ike
Brom		20	45	28	5	25	22	29	30	13	C Lethe
Lethe(S)	24	54	12	6	14	14	20	12	11	C Brom

3-8: 5/61

Skills:

Ike - Pass, Shade

Mia - (Vantage), Cancel, Celerity

Brom - (Disarm), Adept, Provoke

Lethe - Blossom, Wildheart

Reyson - (Blessing), Miracle, Pass

Gave Lethe the Energy Drop that Jill brought over. Killed stuff. Reyson helped.

MVP: Mia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		20	50	27	2	30	29	19	26	10	C Mia
Mia		5	47	29	11	36	35	25	25	15	C Ike
Brom		1	49	30	9	27	24	29	32	17	C Lethe
Lethe(S)	25	55	15	6	14	15	21	13	11	C Brom

3-9: 3/64

Skills:

Marcia - Paragon

Astrid - (Paragon), Adept

Made sure Marcia would be capable of killing the boss in one round. Even got lucky and found the Spirit Dust.

MVP: Marcia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Marcia		13	38	23	7	21	27	18	19	16	
Astrid		6	36	16	9	18	18	21	13	17

3-10: 5/69

Skills:

Ike - Shade, Daunt

Mia - (Vantage), Celerity, Provoke

Brom - (Disarm), Pass, Cancel

Lethe - Blossom, Wildheart

Reyson - (Blessing), Miracle, Pass

Brom went south, everyone else went north. After some experimentation, 5 turns was actually easier than I expected and I had an extra move to use on any of my three units up there, which I used to get Lethe more Strike.

MVP: Mia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		20	50	27	2	30	29	19	26	10	B Mia
Mia		6	48	30	11	37	36	25	25	15	B Ike
Brom		3	50	32	9	29	25	30	33	17	C Lethe
Lethe(S)	26	56	16	6	14	16	21	14	11	C Brom

3-11: 4/73

Skills:

Ike - Shade, Pass

Mia - (Vantage), Provoke, Daunt

Brom - (Disarm), Cancel, Paragon

Lethe - Wildheart, Smite

Marcia - Savior, Celerity

Astrid - (Paragon), Blossom

Marcia carries Ike. Leanne made it a turn quicker than usual. I have underestimated Wildheart in the past; it helped Lethe get some great Strike. If I'm lucky, she may reach SS before 4-2 is over.

MVP: Marcia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		20	50	27	2	30	29	19	26	10	B Mia
Mia		6	48	30	11	37	36	25	25	15	B Ike
Brom		3	50	32	9	29	25	30	33	17	B Lethe
Lethe(S)	26	56	16	6	14	16	21	14	11	B Brom
Marcia		3	44	28	14	27	30	26	26	25	
Astrid		8	38	18	10	20	20	23	15	18

3-12: 4/77

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Cancel, Adept

Nolan - (Nihil), Paragon, Imbue

I experimented with 3, and even though it was fairly close (5-7 kills, I believe), it couldn't happen. But 4 turns is still pretty good.

Nolan did everything south, Sothe helped Micaiah go west. Allies didn't move until turn 3.

MVP: Nolan

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		8	31	12	28	19	25	32	11	28	A Sothe
Sothe		16	40	22	6	26	30	28	20	15	A Micaiah
Nolan		2	57	33	10	29	30	22	25	17

3-13: 3/80

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Cancel, Adept

Nolan - (Nihil), Paragon, Imbue

I was experimenting with how to get Nolan to Ike in 3 turns but when everything worked out fine I just took it. Sothe cleared Nolan's path, Nolan went Colossus on Ike. Funny thing is that if I'd bothered to get Nolan the Spd to double Ike (33, which I easily could have with BEXP), Nolan would have naturally ORKO'd Ike at 91 displayed hit. Awesome.

MVP: Nolan

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		9	31	13	29	20	25	33	11	29	A Sothe
Sothe		16	40	22	6	26	30	28	20	15	A Micaiah
Nolan		4	58	35	10	30	30	23	27	18

3-E: 4/84

Skills:

Ike - Shade, Pass

Mia - (Vantage), Daunt, Adept

Brom - (Disarm), Cancel, Paragon

Lethe - Wildheart, Smite

Marcia - Savior, Celerity

Astrid - (Paragon), Blossom

Reyson - (Blessing), Miracle

I knew 4 turns was possible, but all of my attempts kept getting me 5-10 kills short. I'm not really sure what I did in the end that made it work, but one specific difference was sending Astrid up with the Beast Laguz and letting the Hawks handle stuff alone. I also had to beat Nolan with Mia.

Lethe got less Strike than in some of the previous attempts, but she's close enough that she'll probably reach SS by the end of 4-2 anyway.

MVP: Marcia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		20	50	27	2	30	29	19	26	10	B Mia
Mia		7	49	31	11	37	37	26	25	15	B Ike
Brom		3	50	32	9	29	25	30	33	17	B Lethe
Lethe(S)	30	65	18	6	17	19	23	14	11	B Brom
Marcia		5	45	30	14	27	30	27	27	27	C Astrid	
Astrid		2	45	27	17	30	29	30	24	24	C Marcia

Part 3 total: 84

Overall total: 169

[spoiler=Part 4]4-P: 3/3

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Cancel, Adept

Skrimir - Wildheart, Renewal

Marcia - Adept

Leanne -

Skrimir took straight north, Marcia to the center, and Micaiah solo'd east. I tried for a 2 turn, but it was too luck-based, and 3 turns came pretty easily.

MVP: Marcia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		20	40	15	30	23	25	40	15	30	A Sothe
Sothe		1	44	24	10	28	32	28	22	19	A Micaiah
Skrimir		25	66	19	3	14	15	24	16	9
Marcia		11	50	30	15	29	35	29	28	30	C Astrid	

4-1: 4/7

Skills:

Ike - Pass

Nolan - (Nihil)

Brom - (Disarm)

Rafiel -

Nolan west, Pass/Torch Ike south, Brom east with some help from Nailah and Rafiel.

MVP: Ike

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		8	56	33	7	37	35	22	31	17	B Mia
Nolan		7	60	37	10	32	31	25	27	19
Brom		6	52	35	9	31	28	30	35	18	B Lethe

4-2: 9/16

Skills:

Mia - (Vantage), Adept

Lethe - Wildheart, Pass, Wrath, Resolve, Counter

Astrid - (Paragon), Blossom

Reyson - Miracle

Astrid solo'd west. Lethe and Mia went south, Mia eventually doubling back. Lethe actually used all those skills, and only Counter wasn't needed.

MVP: Astrid

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Mia		10	50	31	11	39	40	27	25	16	B Ike
Lethe(SS)	31	65	18	6	18	20	24	14	11	B Brom
Astrid		10	50	33	19	35	35	35	27	30	C Marcia

4-3: 7/23

Skills:

Micaiah - Resolve

Sothe - (Guard), Cancel, Adept

Skrimir - Wildheart, Renewal, Paragon

Marcia - Adept, Vantage

Leanne -

This was rather interesting. Sent Skrimir into the fray with Sothe slowly following, Micaiah east, and Marcia down west until joining with Skrimir. They kind of just ran around picking off enemies in the biggest clumps possible. I think 6 turns could have come easily, but I had battle saved after the wrong move and didn't want to restart.

I managed to get the White Gem, Baselard, Laguz Gem, and Stefan/Vague Katti.

I had originally completely forgotten the Black Knight would show up. That helped.

MVP: Marcia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Micaiah		20	40	15	30	23	25	40	15	30	A Sothe
Sothe		4	45	25	10	31	35	31	23	21	A Micaiah
Skrimir		30	71	20	3	16	17	25	17	11
Marcia		16	50	31	17	31	36	32	28	33	C Astrid	

4-4: 8/31

Skills:

Ike - Pass

Nolan - (Nihil), Celerity, Imbue

Brom - (Disarm), Paragon

Rafiel -

Ike straight to the throne room with Pure Water. Nolan got all the chest rooms. Brom stayed in east-ish area. Tried for 7, couldn't do it.

MVP: Ike

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Ike		16	63	37	7	40	37	24	32	18	B Mia
Nolan		13	63	40	10	35	35	28	29	20	C Rafiel
Brom		14	60	37	9	35	30	30	36	21	B Lethe

4-5: 2/33

Skills:

Mia - (Vantage), Pass

Lethe - Wildheart, Resolve, Smite

Astrid - (Paragon)

Bastian - Beastfoe

Reyson - Miracle

Because who needs fliers? Lethe Shoves/Smites Mia through swamp and Mia kills Izuka. Bastian was helpful (possibly necessary) for using Meteor to get a Tiger out of the way. Reyson cut a turn off. Astrid...was largely unneeded.

MVP: Mia

Unit		Level	HP	Str	Mag	Skl	Spd	Lck	Def	Res	Support
Mia		15	50	31	14	39	40	32	25	21	B Ike
Lethe(SS)	32	65	18	6	19	20	25	14	12	B Brom
Astrid		11	50	33	19	36	35	35	27	30	C Marcia
Bastian		Base

4-E-1: 3/36

Used some opportunity to get Skrimir nearly to SS and kill shit.

4-E-2: 1/37

Skrimir got his last bit for SS, sieged out that Wishblade, and killed BK.

4-E-3: 1/38

Shit, this was easy. Nolan, Skrimir, and Giffca got him all on their own. I just needed to get rid of the Dragon in the way (Double Bow Astrid) and Shove Rafiel.

4-E-4: 1/39

Used Pass and Smiting/Shoving to get rid of the two Spirits horizontal to Sephiran, then killed the other two with Marcia and Astrid, then Giffca went in for the kill.

4-E-5: 3/42

R.I.P. Rafiel and Bastian. Giffca is amazing.

Final total: 211

Kills

Ike - 159 (2nd)

Micaiah - 107 (5th)

Sothe - 101

Skrimir - 45

Marcia - 112 (4th)

Nolan - 160 (1st)

Brom - 88

Lethe - 71

Astrid - 46

Mia - 131 (3rd)

Giffca - 8

Bastian - 4

Edited August 10, 2012 by Madam Red

[Junkhead]

No, don't ban Haar. 8[

[Florete]

No, don't ban Haar. 8[

Are you going to be a part of the resistance against banning Haar?

[Junkhead]

Yes, completely.

[Lilmik11]

I may not be an experienced draft player and my opinion probably doesn't really matter, but I do agree that Haar shouldn't be banned. He may give a great part 3, but he certainly doesn't give a good part 1 or part 4 all by himself.

[Janissary]

Would someone mind explaining the history behind Haar in drafts/Haar's dominance? Thanks.

[Florete]

Would someone mind explaining the history behind Haar in drafts/Haar's dominance? Thanks.

Ironically, in RD drafts of the past, the people who get Haar are usually among those who don't finish. However, it's been determined by some - and added to the generic ruleset - that he's too powerful for drafting and is therefore banned. He is, without a doubt, the strongest part 3 unit a player can have, trivializing it almost entirely on his own. He also can clear 2-E fast, something most players end up needing to take a penalty for, and is a perfect unit for any part 4 route you send him to, especially the desert, which is often a problem but is a joke with Haar.

Basically, he's a high availability machine that pretty much never slows down and is the best unit you can have until, like, 4-E-2, and even after that he's still pretty good to have.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

to me haar seems perfectly fair due to his great part 2 and 3 preformance but his rather terrible endgame preformance, which ofcourse if you can't beat endgame then your fucked.

yeah i can see why those who have haar on thier draft team never finish due to that...even if i've never drafted before

[Lilmik11]

It's funny, since the people who draft Haar ironically gets a bad team most of the time.

[Fenrir]

Haar is the best unit, if we ban him, down the road will we ban Titan? then Oscar?

Are you going to be a part of the resistance against banning Haar?

Sadly i can't do another draft, but i'll join this so called resistance.

It's funny, since the people who draft Haar ironically gets a bad team most of the time.

If you take away the best unit of any team it's not gonna look all that great.

[Nestling]

Soon, Fire Emblem will have Forbidden lists like Yu-Gi-Oh! o-o

[Zanarkin]

to me haar seems perfectly fair due to his great part 2 and 3 preformance but his rather terrible endgame preformance, which ofcourse if you can't beat endgame then your fucked.

Wat. His Endgame Performance is great, just because he isn't doubling bosses doesn't mean he sucks.

Also as much as i'd love to sign up, i can't as i haven't finished the other drafts and I don't want them to pile up.

[Ring Wraith]

First off, this draft will take priority for me over the others I'm currently doing (providing I haven't finished them by the time we start this, which is likely since I have a couple days off and nothing to do this week).

Secondly, I'm for banning Haar. He's hands down above the rest, having great availability and great stats. I am, however, concerned with this:

Haar is the best unit, if we ban him, down the road will we ban Titan? then Oscar?

Comparing it with SS, which Seth is banned (and for good reasons), it has now been brought up that perhaps Franz should be banned. Haar certainly can't be free, but he seems too far above the rest (with the exception of perhaps Titania, but because she's on a horse she's a bit more limited in 3-4 and 3-7, and she also doesn't have the Part II availability Haar has) to have for a normal draft unit. I guess that's what we're trying to find out though.

[Balcerzak]

I suppose I will join.

[Psych]

I have one idea that may work, especially in HM, but I'm worried it could trivialize the whole future of the drafts. Make Haar free for all.

It solves several problems on it's own, but makes a couple more. One unit ends up being undrafted, so making another free could solve that. Plus then it's not "Who's absolutly the best #1 draft?" since you can pick Titania for good part 3 or Edward/Nolan for part 1.

[Florete]

I suppose I will join.

Sounds good. Need one more.

I have one idea that may work, especially in HM, but I'm worried it could trivialize the whole future of the drafts. Make Haar free for all.

It solves several problems on it's own, but makes a couple more. One unit ends up being undrafted, so making another free could solve that. Plus then it's not "Who's absolutly the best #1 draft?" since you can pick Titania for good part 3 or Edward/Nolan for part 1.

Eh, not liking the sound of it. That highly devalues every part 3 draftee. And even Elincia (for 2-E).

[Psych]

You could maybe ban him from Endgame or Part 4 and still have him free. Then you'd still have to raise a half decent team.

[Radiant Dragon]

Free for all privileges, in my opinion, should only be extended to: the main Lord (and Ephraim and Micaiah), Jeigan and Gotoh archtype units, and units that are necessary when they're around. Haar is none of these.

As for the slippery slope argument, I don't believe banning Titania would be necessary, since even if she is the best draft, she's not so much better than everyone else that she's an auto-win pick.

[Jaybee]

Making Haar free for everyone means that you only need to think about Part 1 and Part 4 draftees. You obviously don't have Haar in Part 1, in Part 2 there's only 2-2 to be worried about, and then for Part 3 you only take penalties on 3-1. Haar decimates every other part 3 map that has the GMs.

Seriously, Psych, even for you that's a fucking stupid idea.

[PKL]

Waaat at haar being free. Thatd be so broken lol. The problem i find with haar in normal mode especially, is that he can eat all the part 2 bexp capping everything including his spd. The fact that with celerity he has 11 move plus flight plus canto. The fact that he can promote as early as 3-2. Trivializes 3-3. The fact that he cant die and thanks to bexp he 1rkos everything on top of it with 1-2 range no less. Hes also great in part 4 if u keep his spd up. Hes great in 4-P because he can reach the magic tile quickly and kill everyone there. 28 spd isnt too hard to reach by that time. Then comes the desert, he makes this way too easy if u give him a wing or have 30 spd naturally. Theres a sleep staff user but thats easily solved by having a bad res sothe get targeted instead and restore him with miccy or with pure water.

The guy's just too good. At least jill has a slow start and bad bases :s. Oh and titania wouldnt need banning. Shes good but cant lol at every part 3 map with flight.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

Wat. His Endgame Performance is great, just because he isn't doubling bosses doesn't mean he sucks.

Also as much as i'd love to sign up, i can't as i haven't finished the other drafts and I don't want them to pile up.

i was refering to more of " hey nearly all the enemys in endgame have magic and will abuse the hell out of haar's terrible resistance stat".

[Junkhead]

The only part I find that worrysome is at 4-E-1, because of freaking Sleep staves. Otherwise, he can make good use of his Avo and Wardwood.

[Radiant Dragon]

i was refering to more of " hey nearly all the enemys in endgame have magic and will abuse the hell out of haar's terrible resistance stat".

Who cares about Haar's performance in Endgame when he's already trivialized the rest of the game? Besides, Ike and Sothe will have even worse Resistance. Not to mention other units like Tigers, Gareth, etc.

The only part I find that worrysome is at 4-E-1, because of freaking Sleep staves. Otherwise, he can make good use of his Avo and Wardwood.

The Sleep staff users should be killed on turn 1, since Rafiel is free.

[Junkhead]

Tell that to the Transfers draft where my 36 Res Titania is getting slept here and there. 8[

[Radiant Dragon]

Tell that to the Transfers draft where my 36 Res Titania is getting slept here and there. 8[

Again, that's why you kill those guys on the first turn.