Darros Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I think that it's perfectly acceptable to disregard votes for unreleased Fire Emblems. For cases like this, sure. But not always. What if was best/worst design or something and Krom got a buncha votes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 For cases like this, sure. But not always. What if was best/worst design or something and Krom got a buncha votes? I think it's reasonable to put a "where determinable" clause in. We can't say whether or not FE13 will have good balance. We can see what the design looks like. Votes for the former should not be accepted, votes for the latter can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashGordon94 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I think that it's perfectly acceptable to disregard votes for unreleased Fire Emblems. Precisely, NM was completely right to disregard those votes, lame jokes be damned. Though the caluses listed by Darros and RFOF are fine, that was just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Most: FE7. (or DoF--/shotshotshot) Least: FE4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Most: FE5 Least: FE4 Nominating female axe user as well~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randoman Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Best: FE8 Worst: FE10 And I nominate Best/Worst Comedic Boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Best/Worst or Most/Least comedic boss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashGordon94 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Best/Worst or Most/Least comedic boss? Presumably Best/Worst, which suggests the funniest/least funny comic relief boss, the latter would just have the most sombre boss fight as Least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LycopolisKing Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Most: FE7. Easy to get into, not all that hard to break class and weapon lines for a victory. Runner up tp FE9 for similar reasons, yet the Black Knight's very existence seems to contradict it. Least: FE10, no contest. It stinks not being able to use whatever characters you like because their classes are simply statisically stunted, or their bases stink. Ridiculously unbalanced. Runner up to FE11, for ridiculously low (and nonexistent) growths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Most: FE7. Easy to get into, not all that hard to break class and weapon lines for a victory. Runner up tp FE9 for similar reasons, yet the Black Knight's very existence seems to contradict it. What do you mean by that? I take it you're referring to his ridiculous Spd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Least: FE10, no contest. It stinks not being able to use whatever characters you like because their classes are simply statisically stunted, or their bases stink. Ridiculously unbalanced. Runner up to FE11, for ridiculously low (and nonexistent) growths. Just because a character sucks doesn't mean you can't use him/her. Most sucky characters can turn out, at the very least, adequate. Some (like Astrid and Fiona) can turn out very good. But maybe you should just read the other posts in the topic on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Unless you happen to be in the LEA (which is when your "FE10 is balanced" argument suddenly disappears into thin air). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Because no other games have characters with poor availability and mediocre stats. Edited September 28, 2011 by Integrity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Unless you happen to be in the LEA (which is when your "FE10 is balanced" argument suddenly disappears into thin air). That doesn't disprove that argument, though, since pretty much every FE game has a late joiner that is pretty bad statistically. *looks at FE9 Ena, Lucia, and Bastian* Edited September 28, 2011 by Metal King Slime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 At least the LEA has part 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Unless you happen to be in the LEA (which is when your "FE10 is balanced" argument suddenly disappears into thin air). Nice strawman. There is no "FE10 is balanced" argument at all. The argument is that FE10 is the most balanced of the series. This doesn't mean that fe10 doesn't suck miserably at balance. It just means that, of all the sucking at balance that I.S. does, FE10 was the closest to balanced that they created. The LEA doesn't take away from this fact because, as others have pointed out, other games pull crap like the LEA as well. But at least in FE10, the LEA got the chance to shine for 3 chapters back in part 1. This is better than anything fe9 Ena or Lucia or Bastian or fe7 Nino or a bunch of other units get to do. A better argument you could have made would have been about Kurth or Pelleas in fe10 and how late they join, as they don't get the benefit of joining back in 1-7 to kick butt and get some good use. Edited September 28, 2011 by Narga_Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Even without a BEXP dump, Muarim isn't *that* bad in 4-4 because of his monster base atk that 2HKOs most of the enemies on the map. Vika and Tormod can at least be made usable on NM with a BEXP dump. So yeah, NM, your "counter" sucks. And Narga, as I said way back when, I don't think FE10's balance "sucks" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Even in 4-4, Vika and Tormod have minor use in opening doors with Tormod's 10 range Door Key or with Vika's canto. Which is better than like, FE9 Shinon. Edited September 28, 2011 by Anouleth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat726 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Most: FE5 Least: FE8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethereal Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'm really late to this, but I just want to throw something in on the balance of FE10, especially since a rebuttal to something I said was quoted. I agree FE10 is actually very balanced by FE standards. TBH, each of the characters I listed, and some others have, only dominate a few chapters of the game. That was the point of what I was saying. Not that the entire game is poorly balanced, but that, for instance, Haar in 2-E, 3-4, Nailah in part 1, when she's there, and the royals in part 4, make some maps that could very well be really difficult, jokes. This happens in every FE game, at least to some degree, and that's one part of the game series I don't think is balanced. If even for a short amount of time, one or a handful of characters being head and shoulders better than every one else is really unbalanced. However, as a couple of people have said, almost every character is usable, which is a huge jump up from characters like Wendy, and you don't have singular units dominating everything, like Sigurd, whatever Gen 2 Holsety user you choose, Seth, and whoever else. Those are big steps forward on the balance front. I didn't mean it to sound like I hated FE10, or FE10's balance, just that there are some points that were much worse than the rest of the game. Blahblah, rant over. Most: FE7? I guess. Prolly 7. Least: FE8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) And Narga, as I said way back when, I don't think FE10's balance "sucks" at all. I'm aware. I happen to disagree, as I think the disparity between Titania, Haar, Sothe, Volug compared to stuff like Meg is indicative of sucky balance. That said, I agree with you in the part where you say fe10 is the most balanced of the series. Edited September 30, 2011 by Narga_Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sage Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I always thought FE6 was the most balanced personally because aside from Wendy and Sophia, everyone in FE6 is at least usable and all have their niches. Sure, the weapon hit balancing sucks, but other than that, I don't see why FE10 is said to have the best balance in the series but FE6 doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I always thought FE6 was the most balanced personally because aside from Wendy and Sophia, everyone in FE6 is at least usable and all have their niches. Sure, the weapon hit balancing sucks, but other than that, I don't see why FE10 is said to have the best balance in the series but FE6 doesn't. I don't think it's clear-cut either way. I put my vote in for FE10 but I can see 6 or 7 being people's choices pretty reasonably. FE10 has just as much character usability and niches just like you say FE6 does, though I find FE6 is too move-centric (base level Thany is still one of the best characters for like half the game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I always thought FE6 was the most balanced personally because aside from Wendy and Sophia, everyone in FE6 is at least usable and all have their niches. Sure, the weapon hit balancing sucks, but other than that, I don't see why FE10 is said to have the best balance in the series but FE6 doesn't. Everyone in FE10 with a few expections are usable. Perhaps not in Maniac Mode where you have less BEXP, but I couldn't really say that for example, FE10 Makalov is significantly less usable than FE6 Barth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sage Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Everyone in FE10 with a few expections are usable. Perhaps not in Maniac Mode where you have less BEXP, but I couldn't really say that for example, FE10 Makalov is significantly less usable than FE6 Barth. FE10 Maniac Mode is the Japanese name for the English and European FE10 Hard Mode IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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