charlie_ Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Gilliam hates me. 15 turns so far because of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 -It's a slot machine. For all of your complaining about the cheatery of other players, this draft certainly isn't much better. I basically have to HOPE all of my hits connect, or another turn down the drain. I have to HOPE that the enemy doesn't critical me, or woe be me, an 8 turn penalty. I have to make sure my Lords don't die, or you guessed it. It's not encouraging me to play strategically in the least, it's encouraging me to turtle through the levels. Oh wait, that'd probably be impossible too, with my team. That's another thing, if I was doing a normal draft, my team would be pretty awesome. 8 turns is probably too much, but even so, Vanessa is much too fragile; she's definitely not a first-round pick, despite what she can do in terms of turn-shaving. -It operates an a code of ethics. I could've reset and not gone through the most obnoxious experience in my drafting experience and you wouldn't have been the wiser for it. How does this in ANY way mitigate the problems of RnG abuse? What does this draft do, for that matter, besides making me suffer? I wouldn't have to think more tactically if I was a little more unethical. To be fair, every draft ever also relies on people not lying. -Seth should've been free. But that's just my opinion, and needless to say someone's going to reply to this and blabber about how he ruins the point of drafting or whatever. I agree with this, since not even Seth is RNG-proof. Not like that matters, this draft does marginalize some picks. Like Pegasus Knights for example. Or anyone who's not Franz. So don't pick them. -If you get even one or two deaths, you're basically screwed out of any competitive chance with your fellow draftees. Yeah, nothing motivates me to continue a draft than the feeling that I've already lost. You're not playing for sheep stations. It will make no difference whatsoever whether you win or lose, and surely you had a reason to join this draft apart from getting get a lower TC than everybody else? That said, you can't discount yourself yet, we haven't seen how the others will fare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 8 turns is probably too much, but even so, Vanessa is much too fragile; she's definitely not a first-round pick, despite what she can do in terms of turn-shaving. Yeah, that was definetely a stupid decision on my part. To be fair, every draft ever also relies on people not lying. I know that, but I thought the creation of this draft was in response to the people who RnG abused and continuously reset or stuff like that for good levels. It's still kind of missing the point there, though. So don't pick them. It's just annoying because they're perfectly good in, well, any other style of play, I guess. My picks weren't the best, but my penalties weren't even because of Vanessa. They were because Eirika deemed it fit to get hit by 2 ~35%s and died. That...just doesn't sit right with me. You're not playing for sheep stations. It will make no difference whatsoever whether you win or lose, and surely you had a reason to join this draft apart from getting get a lower TC than everybody else? That said, you can't discount yourself yet, we haven't seen how the others will fare. Fair enough (except the losing part, have you SEEN my turncounts). But I feel like this is more tedious than other drafts, because I have to reset if someone dies AND I take a penalty. There's nothing that makes this draft more appealing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 imo the main thing I would change is that the penalty isn't a flat amount but rather equal to how many turns you had spent prior, so that if you're like "Oh shit I forgot a Door Key" and have to restart on Turn 1 or w/e it's just a slight penalty but if you fuck up halfway through the chapter it's larger. I don't think Seth should be free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 No Reset FE8 Draft My Team: Franz, Gerik, Artur, Dozla, Knoll Prologue 2/2 Resets: 0 Burn RN burn and traded swag to Eirika. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 02/45/16/05/08/10/06/03/01 Sword E Chapter 1 5/7 Resets: 0 Did the usual strat. Franz battled reinforcements. Surprisingly, Eirika didnt even get hit by anyone. Franz's level wasnt too shabby. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 04/46/17/05/09/12/06/03/02 Sword D Franz 02/46/21/07/06/08/02/06/01 Sword E Lance D Chapter 2 6/11 Resets: 0 Undrafteds rescue each other and stay north. Eirika goes down with Franz Turn 1. Eirika then puts her Rapier in Convoy and the Steel Sword too, she then buys an Iron Sword. Franz follows her. Ross and Garcia handle themselves pretty well. They cleaned up the east with Ross dodging lethal blows like a baws and taking an archer arrow to the face and surviving with 1 hp. Turn 3, Franz goes down. Eirika gets in range of one of the reinforcements. The reinforcement and the first bandit are attacked in EP. She stays in range of them next turn and attacks and kills the first reinforcement. Franz gets the Pure Water and Cantos. Turn 5, Franz kills the bandit that went after him, and he is now in range of the boss. Franz can 3RKO boss but instead he decides to critblick him in EP. Turn 6 Eirika gets the last bandit by attacking him in PP and finishing it in Turn 6 EP since Franz isnt in range. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 06/07/18/06/11/12/07/03/02 Sword D Franz 03/76/21/08/06/09/03/06/01 Sword E Lance D Chapter 3 8/19 Resets: 0 This was harder than it should have been. Stupid low hitrates hitting Eirika and her having to heal every PP was irritating. She got hit by a hand axe at 18 display I mean, come on. Neimi failed to kill the bandit with chest key.... Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 07/34/19/06/12/13/07/03/02 Sword C Franz 05/83/22/09/07/10/03/07/01 Sword E Lance D Neimi 01/70/17/04/05/06/04/03/02 Bow D Chapter 4 6/25 Resets: 0 Franz and Eirika were done with stuff on Turn 5. But surprise, Neimi's uselessness and Artur not ORKO'ing the last wight costed me a turn. Weeee. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 09/27/20/06/14/14/08/03/02 Sword C Franz 08/94/25/11/07/12/03/08/02 Sword E Lance C Neimi 01/83/17/04/05/06/04/03/02 Bow D Artur 04/54/21/07/08/09/03/02/06 Light E Chapter 5 5/30 Resets: 0 Franz built Sword rank. Got the Armorslayer and rushed. Neimi got the Dracoshield. Franz had to heal and park in the forest tile with the armorslayer but he didnt get hit by the boss anyway in EP Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 09/70/20/06/14/14/08/03/02 Sword B Artur 04/54/21/07/08/09/03/02/06 Light E Franz 12/73/29/12/07/15/07/08/02 Sword D Lance C Neimi 01/83/17/04/05/06/04/03/02 Bow D Chapter 5x 9+8 Eph died/47 Resets: 1 Eph is stupid. Dumb. Dumbass. Most shittiest. F. ing. Lord. Ever. I. HATE HIM. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Ephraim 06/43/23/09/10/13/09/07/02 Lance D Orson 04/11/34/16/13/11/04/13/07 Sword A Lance A Chapter 6 4/51 Resets: 1 Franz rush to the boss. Neimi almost died, but Franz got attacked by boss before that happened. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 10/04/21/06/15/15/09/03/02 Sword B Franz 16/04/31/15/09/17/10/10/02 Sword D Lance B Chapter 7 9/60 Resets: 1 Gave the Dracoshield to Eirika before chapter. Franz rushed. Had to make sure Eirika could survive so I had her wait for Franz. Neimi sacrificed herself meatshielding so that Eirika could stay safe a while longer from the northern enemies near the start. Artur helped with mages. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 10/93/21/06/15/15/09/05/02 Sword B Franz 18/81/33/16/09/18/12/10/02 Sword D Lance B Artur 05/65/21/07/09/10/03/02/07 Light E Chapter 8 8/68 Resets: 1 Whew. Franz was at 14 hp and didnt get hit by 38 display Silver Lance thanks to God. He also missed a few Armorslayer hits that couldve allowed me to 7 turn the map but alas. I almost took a kyle penalty but the cavs targeted Eph instead. Whew. Artur survived somehow. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 11/31/22/06/15/15/10/05/02 Sword B Franz 04/41/37/19/12/21/12/13/03 Sword C Lance A Artur 06/24/22/08/09/11/03/02/08 Light D Franz is amazing. Going Eirika route although Im about to bench her for good >.>. Stupid Ephraim too costed me a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) OK, since people have been replying to my reaction to this draft, which I feel is perfectly justified, I'll do it over again and see if the problem is indeed with me and not the draft. Or the other way around, who knows? Feel free to give me a penalty of this. Or not, if you're feeling merciful (who am I talking to anyways?). Still, I feel if I can wring some enjoyment out of this draft which honest to god pissed me off the first time around, it'll be a victory for me. I don't think Seth should be free Fair enough, I'm just a wimp. Prologue: 2/2 turns Resets: 0 Units Available- Eirika So this was basically just business as usual. I used the same trick everyone and their mother uses to get a 2 turn clear, and I couldn't be more proud of it. Eirika also gets a good level out of the whole deal, so I'm definitely not complaining. Chapter 1: 5/7 turns Resets: 0 Units Available- Eirika Another cookie cutter solution. Eirika soloed the map whilst getting some truly average levels in the process. But really, in the end, isn't that what Fire Emblem is all about? Yes, yes it is. Chapter 2: 6/13 turns Resets: 0 Units Available- Eirika, Vanessa Oh boy, this one was a doozie. So Eirika and Vanessa went south, with Vanessa getting the village so Bonez and his budy would head towards Eirika. She also helped kill a bandit or two, but WTD did not help her much here. Oh, and Eirika gained some fantastic levels! Chapter 3: 10/23 turns Resets: 0 Units Available- Eirika, Vanessa Man, is this one annoying without Garcia to own everyone. Vanessa's way too flimsy to put into any serious danger, and Eirika has to rely on the lower hit rates of WTD to survive. Thankfully my units got good level ups to make up for the middling turncount! EDIT Oh, and I deleted my save file to add insult to injury. Goddamn it, me! Edited February 8, 2012 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Chapter 9 13/81 Resets: 1 Killing Edge helped a lot. Franz rushed got the Draco and the Killing Edge. Sending them to Convoy. So eirika could use them. Eirika and Artur struggled a lot. I had to constantly retreat with them and strategically lured the enemies to the starting point. After Eirika had weakened stuff up enough. Artur (who stayed just out of range of everyone except a Hand Axe bandit) and Eirika teamed on the enemies. Franz couldve done his part in 12 turns but a figher didnt chase him, costing me a turn. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 12/73/23/06/16/16/11/07/02 Sword B Franz 07/29/38/19/14/24/13/14/04 Sword C Lance S Artur 08/76/23/10/11/11/03/02/10 Light D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Chapter 10 Eirika Route 7/88 Resets: 1 Eirika played at being Marth. Franz opened her way. Artur gathered CEXP. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 13/11/23/07/16/17/12/07/02 Sword B Artur 09/57/24/10/11/12/04/02/10 Light D Franz 08/89/39/19/15/24/14/14/04 Sword B Lance S Gerik 10/00/32/14/13/13/08/10/04 Sword C Tethys 01/00/18/01/02/12/10/05/04 Chapter 11 Eirika Route 8/96 Resets: 1 Franz went south with Tethys help. He killed the Venin Bow guy. He then killed the southern enemy pack (the one with the red flying thing that is really strong) and doubled back with Tethys help and killed the guys west of Dozla. Gerik and Artur did stuff east. Eirika killed reinforcements. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 14/52/24/07/17/18/13/07/02 Sword A Franz 10/68/40/20/16/24/14/14/04 Sword B Lance S Artur 11/10/25/12/12/13/04/02/11 Light C Gerik 02/39/37/15/16/15/08/13/07 Sword C Axe C Tethys 01/40/18/01/02/12/10/05/04 Chapter 12 11/107 Eirika was so fail that she had to unequip herself after a while for fear of death near the start. Gerik made his way to Eirika and helped her. Artur got 4 barriers in before end of chapter. OMG I forgot I have Dozla drafted...couldve helped xD. Oh well. Unit Lv/Xp/HP/St/Sk/Sp/Lk/Df/Rs Support WLvs Eirika 16/19/25/07/17/20/14/07/04 Sword A Artur 02/55/29/14/13/13/05/05/14 Light B Staff C Franz 12/40/42/20/17/24/15/14/05 Sword B Lance S Gerik 03/42/38/15/17/15/08/13/07 Sword C Axe B Tethys 02/31/19/01/02/13/11/05/05 Damnit...I just did ch 12 and had a lot of trouble with eirika near the starting point. Then, I realized I have Dozlol drafted and couldve made him stay there and prevent all that Eirika trouble. Ugh. Oh well, it isnt worth it to reset now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Creeper, I will exercise my host's right, as mention by integrity. I don't trust you, as I don't trust your TCs. So I can't let you join this. You know I'm horrible at LTC. I don't really play for LTC, only for Decent turncounts, not minimum. Oh, and reply to the mafia PM you so and so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 So, first I had to reset in ch 14 because Eirika got berserk'd and decided to attack freaking Franz of all ppl. Then, in chapter 15, calleach decides to 4% critblick Gerik. >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Welcome fine reader, to my playthrough of Fire Emblem 8: No Resets Edition! Today is a learning experience for us all! How, you ask? Well, you can learn how a No Resets draft works in practice, although complaints from PKL and myself from the past (who's a real asshole, don't listen to him; I mean me from the past BTW, not PKL, sheesh). I can learn how much suffering I can put myself through. And Space Jesus can learn whether this will save my soul or not. Prologue- 2/2 turns Resets- 0 That went as well as you expected. Some call it "RnG" "abuse" "." I also call it RnG abuse. But hey, it's well worn territory and everyone does it (kinda like that bungee jumping off of mountains that's been all the rage recently). Chapter 1- 5/7 turns Resets- 0 Don't hit A...Don't hit A...Don't hit A....Don't Hit A... (Would you like me to repeat that message? Yes (Hit A), No (Don't Hit A) So what am I working with here? Um...that's pretty good, I guess? Would've liked some DEF or STR or anything besides the three golden pillars of Myrmidonihood- Skill, Speed, and Failure. Not good enough to survive in axeland! Chapter 2- ???/??? turns Resets- 0 Let's just say I'm VERY thankful early game throws so many vulneraries at you, because I'm going to need them. You better not get hit, Eirika... SPOILER- She got hit. I thought they would try to gang up on Eirika, but apparently they went after Garcia instead. Brilliant! So I didn't count the number of my turns, so I guess I'll have to wait till endgame to count them. So how are my characters doing? A bit more boss than before. BASE STATS, hellz yeah. Chapter 3- 14/???? So I had Eirika and Vanessa team up to break the door, and apparently Eirika could've ORKOed this guy with an Iron Sword! Dammit, I should've looked at the stats before doing the wall breaky thing. Nothing can stop the power of chips! Vanessa to D7, Eirika to E8, let's go people, make magic happen! Nothing better than the magic of bad level ups. Wow, Eirika is actually kind of awesome. Something Lyndis could never aspire to... And Vanessa killed the bandit! Without taking a hit! Crazy talk, I know! Best chips damage ever, guys. Like I said, best chips damage ever, guys. I better not have to reset because I got hit by 2 27%s...That would be some bullshit, all right. Especially since there's nothing else I can do in this situation and the fact that I'd be punished for it would be well...ARGH. There's a load off of my back. Edited February 19, 2012 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 My complaints are because of the desert chapter. I suck, and cant ever beat that chapter in a draft even with millions of resets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Yeah, I can see how that chapter would be a pain in the ass without resets. Still, it's not THAT bad when you can test out different strategies and see what works, which is unfortunately something a no resets run lacks, forcing you to tank it out in lieu of coming up with neat plans. Chapter 4- 12/???? turns I'm not 100% sure, but this may be the very first time in my life that I've used a Pure Water, let alone in FE8. Milestones are being breached here, people! While I was planning on just letting Vanessa take care of all of these mooks, the 50%s and their evil cousins, the 60%s, did not deem it fit to make that all too easy on me. Short story made shorter, Vanessa ran away while chowing down on those vulneraries. As shown here! Pure Water is pretty awesome guys. Vanessa is even awesomer, guys. More tanking with a unit who was obviously meant to do no such thing! Eirika almost getting killed from like 3 20%s. Yeah, fuck you too game. What next, am I going to get killed by a 1% crit? Because that would be the worst. Vanessa ran out of vulneraries, so she had to steal Asseray's vulneraries to keep her alive. So let's take another look at my team! My 2 man woman army! Eirika's doing quite well actually. As is Vanessa. A few more good levels under my belt and this draft might not kill me in my sleep after all. Yay for living! Chapter 5- ????/???? Resets- 0 Oh god. Why am I so awful at recording these turncounts. WHY? What am I fighting fooooooooooooooooooooooor? Vanessa is credit to team. I think she may be the tankiest member of my team. PLEASE don't miss. The only odds you can trust in a no resets run. Natasha is going to block some AXES with her face. Strangely, such a dumb decision doesn't backfire on me. PLEASE don't miss. Oh dear god. YES! I will subscribe to the religion of your choice or whatever evil diety you worship that made it so that Joshua missed! I think I needed the Dracoshield, also Vanessa needed to get Armorslayer. Vanessa has progressed past chips. Yay for supply shenanigans! Hrngh...I dunno about those odds.... Edited February 20, 2012 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Chapter 5x- ????/???? Resets- 0 Why didn't I record my turns? Argh. Ephraim's got this covered. Man, Olson's going to destroy this game. If I had Seth, this would be what I would be doing for the rest of the game. Smart positioning FTW Does Ephraim obsolete his sister who's like twice his level, from base? Goddamit, Ephraim. Oh no. ORSON FUCKED. What to do? Zanta, you suck. So let's go back and look at my real team. So Eirika's looking really good, although that defence....hrngh. Are you sure? YES. Ha, he has the same amount of strength as Eirika 6 levels lower. At least she's better than Ellen? Chapter 6- ????/???? Resets- 0 Nice and easy, baby steps does it. HOLY SHIT, ARCHER The fuck are they feeding their social knights? Joshua kills defenseless staff wielding girls ALL OF THE TIME, if you know what I mean. Guess the coin landed on heads. DRAMATIC HEALING EXPERIENCE Great level up! I don't like these odds... THIS...ASSHOLE...good lord, I hate him so much. Yeah, fuck you too, buddy. I like those odds. Is this a different picture? Joshua is getting better. No DEF makes me slightly uneasy in such a draft, however. Still worse than Moulder. Best unit ever, DUDEBRO. Edited February 20, 2012 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Chapter 7- 16/???? Resets- 0 I could just skip this map with Vanessa. But what's the fun in that? No fun, I tell you, no fun at all. Joshua's ready to kick some ass, who am I to deny him that opportunity, nay, his GOD GIVEN RIGHT? I thought you were past being chips, Vanessa! I dunno, could still screw me over somehow. MUCH better. Joshua's turning out really awesome. Guess I'll have to retract my hate of him or something. Guys, I'm totally going to have Colm steal Caellach's Iron Rune, rescue him, and have Joshua STAB his face with the Killing Edge he starts with. I don't think I've used it yet. Vanessa makes killing mages easy! And rewarding! How to get Energy Ring without eating a penalty. Step 1, kill this asshole. Step 2, steal said Energy Ring (not shown for graphical content). Step 3, haul Colm's ass out of there. Step 4, dump him where he can't hurt your turncount. Thank god there's no obnoxious FE5 style rescuing here. He aims- And he scores! Vanessa's so awesome. LAYS You've got this Joshua! Or not. Well, there's always enemy phase, right? Man, fuck you Joshua. I'm giving the kill to someone who deserves it. It sounds REAL FUCKING NICE, thank you very much. Om nom nom. Do my eyes deceive me? I think Eirika has not changed one bit! What a boss. Also doing surprisingly well. Good healing! Chapter 8- 18/???? turns Resets- 0 Vanessa was definitely the MVP of this chapter. SO CLOSE. Great levels abound! Of course, there's no time to celebrate. Turns out Vanessa is the only unit of mine tanky enough to be able to survive the knights of death and despair and mild indifference. Ephraim, you're such a- I retract my unfinished statement. Vanessa is amazing. News at 11. Look at your man. Now look at Joshua. Take another look at- TOO LATE HE'S DEAD. Whee whee whee! How the fuck did Eirika so thoroughly destroy Tirado on only enemy phase? Not that I'm complaining. YES. YES. I don't think she's gained a single stat for like 5 levels. Then again, neither has he, except skill anyways. 5 levels to go! Boss as always. EXCEPT... EXCEPT... FUCKING EPHRAIM. THAT ASSHOLE. THE BASTARD. TOOK MY ELYSIAN WHIP! Will Tana cost me turns? Yes, yes she will. Goddamit Tana. Chapter 9- WHO GIVES A FUCK I RESET/???? Resets- 2 Why did you have to get hit by 4 60%s? Why did I accidently hit the B button while you had a Steel Lance equipped? WHYYYYYYY? And she died the 2nd time because apparently, Steel Axe dude almost OHKOs her. FUCK. THIS. GAME. THIS. IS. BULLSHIT. I'm taking the Seth penalty, or I will tear my damn hair out. PS Dear God, I tried so hard to love this draft, but I can't. I hate it. I hate it so much. Final turncounts will be posted soon. Edited February 20, 2012 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Prologue- 2/2 turns Chapter 1- 5/7 turns Chapter 2- 8/15 turns Chapter 3- 14/29 turns Chapter 4- 12/41 turns Chapter 5- 15/56 turns Chapter 5x- 15/71 turns Chapter 6- 11/82 turns Chapter 7- 16/98 turns Chapter 8- 18/116 turns Chapter 9- 24 (+8 turn penalty for 2 deaths, +8 turn Seth penalty)/164 turns Chapter 10- 17/181 turns Chapter 11- 15/196 turns Chapter 12- 15 (+4 turn penalty for Saleh)/215 turns Chapter 13- 6/221 turns Chapter 14- 12/233 turns Chapter 15- 14 (+ 72 turn penalty for 9 deaths, 28 turn penalty for Duessel, 24 turn penalty for Knoll, 20 turn penalty for Saleh, 16 turn penalty for Innes, 12 turn penalty for Gerik, 12 turn penalty for Cormag/431 turns Chapter 16- 12 (+24 turn penalty for 3 deaths, +12 turn penalty for Saleh and Innes)/491 turns Chapter 17- 4 (+8 turn penalty for Saleh and Innes)/503 turns Chapter 18- 8 (+8 turn penalty for 1 death + 16 turn penalty for Saleh and Innes)/535 turns Chapter 19- 3 (+8 turn penalty for Saleh and Innes)/546 turns Chapter 20- 6 (+8 turn penalty for 1 death, +16 turn penalty for Saleh and Innes)/576 turns Final Chapter Part 1: 25 turns (+56 turn penalty for 7 deaths and 64 turn penalty for Saleh and Innes)/741 turns Final Chapter Part 2: 2 (+8 turn penalty for Saleh & Innes)/751 turns I still won the draft because noone else bothered to finish it! Edited February 20, 2012 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I had to see just what the hell you were doing... undrafted penalties stack? That's insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Yeah. I'm sorry to have done so mediocrely, but after you die in Chapter 15 on your first move just because the Berserk with less than 30% hit crit blicks you, it's hard to call that anything besides unfair and being punished for it pissed me off. Not to mention that even without the penalties, my turncount isn't so hot because I had to turtle my way around the maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Don't get me wrong, I'm not degrading you, I just think the penalties are unbalanced. Every time a unit dies, you're basically forced to take a penalty, since if you go on without them you'll run out of army pretty quickly. And I still think Seth should be free (at least to a certain point) since he can help cut down on RNG-induced restarts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I'm still going with this, I just keep forgetting to put them up. Wait until you see my chapter 6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I'm still going with this, I just keep forgetting to put them up. Wait until you see my chapter 6... Dammit, I thought I walked away with a default victory. Well, here's hoping you do better than I do, man. Not that you'd have to try hard to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I wouldn't count on it bro. My turns are pretty bad too, plus Kyle got 2% critted at one point >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Im doing this again! Chapter 14 8+8+8/idk how many turns. Fuck. Had to reset once because carlyle crit Franz. Then it was due to Berserk. Last run all went smoothly. (I actually did this ages ago but forgot to post it) Im now on chapter 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Chapter 15 6+8+8+8+8+8/i dont give a fuck anymore turns FUUUUUUUUUUUUU. Chapter 16 4/?? Warp. This one was easy, surprisingly. Franz smashed Orson after dropping Eirika. Chapter 17 2/??? Warp Franz. Profit. Chapter 18 7+8/??? NO. Chapter 19 2/??? Warp Franz and smash. Chapter 20 3+8+8/??? Riev critblicked me twice. Yes, he critblicked me, fuck this game. But otherwise, extreemly easy chapter with WARP. Final 1 2+8+8+8+8/??? Myrrh decided she likes to be stoned so I had to reset quite a few times. Again, fuck this game. Final 2 1/??? GLAD THATS OVER. Final TC is 256 with all the penalties. This draft was stupidly annoying. I'd never do one again. While in paper this seems like a good concept, (bar the ridiculously high penalty for getting Bullshitted by the game but I digress) giving a penalty for mistakes and stuff that went wrong is EXTREMELY flawed and aggravating. I can understand Refa' s rage at this draft, since I did rage a lot too due to unlucky misses that were costly, bullshit crits, etc. IM GLAD THATS OVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Chapter 1 Eirika got hit by axe dudes twice in a row. Chapter 3 Gilliam got doubled and died. Chapter 5 Gilliam got double crit by Joshua. Chapter 6 I forgot that enemies could cross mountains. Sorry Moulder! Chapter 7 Moulder got critkilled by a Merc. Chapter 7 Gilliam got critkilled and OHKOed by Thunder. THIS IS FUN GUYS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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