Espinosa Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 According to the data, Mariabel has a magic growth 10% above Liz's... So it's either that the people who used her (and were disappointed) all got RNG screwed, or they just didn't play long enough to let her high growths accumulate and compensate for her rather low magic base and late join time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvilino Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) Uh, that gives Fred a 60% HP growth... My guess is HP growths would be double the other ones while given the same ranking. You're forgetting the Great Knight growths, I think it's one of the 50% HP growths. So he's calculated to have(though the number might not be exactly accurate) 110% Hp growth as a Great Knight. Edited May 19, 2012 by arvilino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Looks plausible enough. Thought the >100 growths were more than that, but it's plausible that they aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only My Unit Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Any info on Inverse's/Gangrel's/Vahart's/Emelina's stats and inheritance for children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 No wonder I can't google translate the class growths anymore - the tables have been replaced with image files. Is this being mirrored in text form anywhere? I guess the fact they put all the growths together in a single file means it's fixed and doesn't allow the possibility of an error, which is good news. Wonder how they figured it out if the guidebook reveals little detail, through hacking or another outside source? It's certainly refreshing to hear about the specifics child growths. Wonder if child bases also have a precise formula along the lines of the one for growths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) No wonder I can't google translate the class growths anymore - the tables have been replaced with image files. Is this being mirrored in text form anywhere? I guess the fact they put all the growths together in a single file means it's fixed and doesn't allow the possibility of an error, which is good news. Wonder how they figured it out if the guidebook reveals little detail, through hacking or another outside source? It's certainly refreshing to hear about the specifics child growths. Wonder if child bases also have a precise formula along the lines of the one for growths. Classes, in order: Strategist Lord Priest Cleric Cavalier Archer Fighter Mage Knight Pegasus Knight Myrmidon Troubadour Thief Mercenary Dracoknight Dark Mage Barbarian Taguel (male) Taguel (female) Manakete Villager Dancer Grandmaster Great Lord Battle Monk Battle Cleric Paladin Great Knight Sniper Bow Knight Warrior Hero Sage Dark Knight General Falcon Knight Dark Pegasus Swordmaster Assassin Valkyrie Trickster Dragonmaster Griffin Knight Sorcerer Berserker Edited May 19, 2012 by Othin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvilino Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 According to the data, Mariabel has a magic growth 10% above Liz's... So it's either that the people who used her (and were disappointed) all got RNG screwed, or they just didn't play long enough to let her high growths accumulate and compensate for her rather low magic base and late join time. It's sort of the timing. Liz has the availability lead on her, then soon after Maribel joins there's a bunch of desert chapters where her movement is shot, while Liz's stays better and you get Libera during this time, then you get Anna and a bunch of Kill boss chapters ensue. You'll have Libera and Anna before Maribel realistically gets to level 10, so as a staff user she's outclassed in staff use by 2 units that have very good combat use as well. Though Secluded Lady is a good skill that partially makes up for it once she does get to level 10 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Kinda compiling growths for base classes based on what ChinaFE has down. Just completed Sol, who's growths outside of speed are total bamf. MU so far actually seems the most disappointing growth-wise so far. Well, outside of Liz, but she's a staffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Kinda compiling growths for base classes based on what ChinaFE has down. Just completed Sol, who's growths outside of speed are total bamf. MU so far actually seems the most disappointing growth-wise so far. Well, outside of Liz, but she's a staffer. Are MU's additions taken into account? Saria - Sorcerer Actual HP 95 Str 25 Mag 65 Skl 40 Spd 60 Luck 40 Def 45 Res 30 Predicted HP 90 Str 20 Mag 75 Skl 50 Spd 45 Luck 25 Def 45 Res 55 Well, I got Def right, and was close on HP and Str. Not so accurate otherwise, but the ChinaFE growths solidly line up with I had actually been expecting her growths to be. Particularly her Skl and Res. Her growths as a Dark Mage are not quite the same: +5 HP and Str in exchange for -5 Mag. Interesting that this seems slanted in favor of the unpromoted class. Great Lord and Grandmaster have the same growths as their unpromoted versions, while Paladin's only change from Cavalier is +5 Res. Strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Nocturne Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Kinda compiling growths for base classes based on what ChinaFE has down. Just completed Sol, who's growths outside of speed are total bamf. MU so far actually seems the most disappointing growth-wise so far. Well, outside of Liz, but she's a staffer. disappointing how? like low/average? or in the fact that MU isnt as OP as the last MU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I don't play for turns Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Kinda compiling growths for base classes based on what ChinaFE has down. Just completed Sol, who's growths outside of speed are total bamf. MU so far actually seems the most disappointing growth-wise so far. Well, outside of Liz, but she's a staffer. So the English version is gonna be on the official site soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) Some more SpotPass character details (I'll add these to the site later). Emelina Class sets: Cleric, Cavalier, Archer Birthday: 23rd(?) December Renha Level 20 Swordmaster Class sets: Myrmidon, Dracoknight, Archer Birthday: 23rd July Inverse Level 20 Dark Pegasus Class sets: Pegasus Knight, Dracoknight, Dark Mage Birthday: 27th May EDIT There are also 5 unknown sidequests on Warm and one of the small islands near the central, south region. I'm assuming one of those is for Valhart, which leaves 4 sidequests for the unreleased characters? Edited May 20, 2012 by VincentASM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChDa Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 So... Inverse has the same birthday as Krom? He also has 27th May... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) There are also 5 unknown sidequests on Warm and one of the small islands near the central, south region. I'm assuming one of those is for Valhart, which leaves 4 sidequests for the unreleased characters? Valhart's map is right above Ch20, and connects to it and S7. Gangrel's map is below S10 on the same island, and connects to it and Ch23. Are those two of the ones you saw? If so, that sounds about right. Odd that the rest would all be on Varm as well, but it makes sense with how much room it has while Iris is packed. Edited May 20, 2012 by Othin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 So... Inverse has the same birthday as Krom? He also has 27th May... Gotta leave for a moment, but I checked and it looks like they're the same. The image I saw was a bit fuzzy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 So the English version is gonna be on the official site soon? Well base and class growths I don't see why wouldn't be on the site already (other than the fact I don't think they're quite confirmed, but they seem real enough), I'm just putting growths together for funsies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Well base and class growths I don't see why wouldn't be on the site already (other than the fact I don't think they're quite confirmed, but they seem real enough), I'm just putting growths together for funsies. Oh, they're real. My results with Donny lined up near-perfectly with the projected ones. More likely an issue is that Vincent is just busy; I've been seeing to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I don't play for turns Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Oh, they're real. My results with Donny lined up near-perfectly with the projected ones. More likely an issue is that Vincent is just busy; I've been seeing to that. I guess I'll just have to put them all in a word document and use that for reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I don't play for turns Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) Saria - Sorcerer Actual HP 95 Str 25 Mag 65 Skl 40 Spd 60 Luck 40 Def 45 Res 30 I got 10% lower on HP(I'm sure I'm right on this one Edited May 21, 2012 by I don't play for turns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I got 10% lower on HP(I'm sure I'm right on this one) Also, I got completely different ratings for Skill and Speed. You're right abut HP; I used the Dark Mage 50% growth. My Skl and Spd values are correct, though: 25+15 and 45+15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I don't play for turns Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 You're right abut HP; I used the Dark Mage 50% growth. My Skl and Spd values are correct, though: 25+15 and 45+15. Just realised I miscopied skill and speed, but 15+25=40, not 30, for skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Just realised I miscopied skill and speed, but 15+25=40, not 30, for skill. I said 40 for Skl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samias Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I have the Official Guidebook and Dark Mages have much higher HP growth than sorcerers, to make their growths more similar to dark knights. Great knights seem to totally outclass paladins. Villager growths are awful, as predicted. Mariabel has better growths than Liz but troubadours and valkyries have somewhat bad growth compared to clerics. Pegasus knights don't really boost magic growth all that much, either. Overall, magic users other than dark mages and their promotions seem underwhelming. Curiously defence growths for most classes all seem uniformly low. Armor knights and generals seem to be an exception. And Marth's personal and class growths seem underwhelming. However, he does have Good Growths to make up for his shortcomings. Emelina and Inverse have huuuge personal growths. I am on my phone so I can't make any charts with growth estimates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I don't play for turns Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I have the Official Guidebook and Dark Mages have much higher HP growth than sorcerers, to make their growths more similar to dark knights. Great knights seem to totally outclass paladins. Villager growths are awful, as predicted. Mariabel has better growths than Liz but troubadours and valkyries have somewhat bad growth compared to clerics. Pegasus knights don't really boost magic growth all that much, either. Overall, magic users other than dark mages and their promotions seem underwhelming. Curiously defence growths for most classes all seem uniformly low. Armor knights and generals seem to be an exception. And Marth's personal and class growths seem underwhelming. However, he does have Good Growths to make up for his shortcomings. Emelina and Inverse have huuuge personal growths. I am on my phone so I can't make any charts with growth estimates. Wait, so do they vary from the growths on ChinaFE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 I'm not able to compare both guidebooks in detail, but looking at Liz from both guidebooks, the official guidebook seems to have a slightly simplified version of the growth charts, eg. a 35% growth might be rounded to 40%. Actually, I compared the charts in detail and it seems the official guidebook uses 15% increments, versus the perfect guidebook's 5%. This is assuming the growths at ChinaFE are correct. Official MHP ++ 30% STR + 15% MAG ++ 30% SKL ++ 30% SPD ++ 30% LCK ++++ 60% DEF + 15% RES ++ 30% + = 15% Perfect MHP ------- 35% STR ----- 25% MAG ------- 35% SKL ------ 30% SPD ------- 35% LCK ------------- 65% DEF --- 15% RES ------- 35% - = 5% Hmm, I was kind of looking forward to getting the official guidebook as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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