fuzz94 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 I won't be gone too long and I will pop in to update the OP whenever I can. Probably on like Sundays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Anyone have any of CIPHER_LEE's animations hanging around? I used to have his Greil scripted, but I had to wipe my computer before I ever got the chance to post it (that was probably a year ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubby Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I think somebody may be scripting his Greil. Some other guys are/were working on his BK. shadowofchaos might have his Caineghis somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) shadowofchaos might have his Caineghis somewhere. You mean this? Note: Only works with old FEditor. I have every animation package/fix in my dropbox that I feel has a reason to be saved. Which is why I shouldn't be in charge of this thread because that would "probably hurt other people's feelings" because I'll refuse to include it in the list/table. For example, Lilina's animation doesn't need to be there, because the long haired mage animation can simply be fixed a bit to fix the cape frames and/or take out the rune command. Same with the Female shaman, except without the rune problem. Edited August 29, 2012 by shadowofchaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubby Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 yes rey but most people are lazy and find it easier to just download the shaman fix than to fix it themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) If I recall, SoC, don't you have (I think it was Dei's) Lord Ike as well? And what's wrong with the Caineghis package? Is it too long or something? I know I had that error when I tried using the full sheet of Greil's so I had to shorten it :x EDIT: Harumph. Maybe it was Lawliet who had a video of Ike on his channel... Yeargh!! I forget. Edited August 29, 2012 by Sai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 If I recall, SoC, don't you have (I think it was Dei's) Lord Ike as well? And what's wrong with the Caineghis package? Is it too long or something? I know I had that error when I tried using the full sheet of Greil's so I had to shorten it :x EDIT: Harumph. Maybe it was Lawliet who had a video of Ike on his channel... Yeargh!! I forget. Nope. I don't have Dei's Ike scripted. And it has the "OAM data overflow error" for Caineghis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Nope. I don't have Dei's Ike scripted. And it has the "OAM data overflow error" for Caineghis. I think that's too long... But then again I haven't written one of those scripts in maybe a year. Such a shame, it was really smooth and good-looking. Like cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 OAM overflow means that the animation data is too big ie it's too complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Yeah, so that means some frames need to be cut out, or needs to have less... Effects, I guess. I think the former would be easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 cutting out individual frames almost never works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I'm guessing FEditor has a less efficient image "chunk" cutter than IS... which is to be expected since Hextator made it from scratch. Or is that the CSA system? Animations that take up a lot of "space" with their chunks that require more OAM data like Falcoknight animations seem to be able to be rendered only by the old FEditor, despite remaking the frames and frame timings exactly as the old Falcoknight (This happened with Dei's Black Beauty Falcoknight package). The same goes for animations like the female shaman... how Marky described it... so he couldn't remake the critical like it was. However, I guess I'll just fix it with the regular ripped animation if people need it. Tomorrow or Thursday. After I'm done with my CS classes for the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubby Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 zahlman did some work with the custom animation part, I remember him talking about it. If you look at the way IS did it, it's a lot more complex than just storing the tiles and whatnot, a lot of the time the sprites are kept separated and then sort of glued together later... Like if you take a look at the male shaman's graphics sheets, a lot of the frames have the cape kept separate from the rest of his body, and they're put back together somewhere in the process of the animation. FEditor usually just splits each frame into 8x8 tiles, checks if it already has each tile, and if it doesn't, it adds them in. That's how I understand it to work, anyway. *doesn't really know anything about FEditor, just makes observations based on the sheets it dispenses* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) I'm guessing FEditor has a less efficient image "chunk" cutter than IS... which is to be expected since Hextator made it from scratch. Or is that the CSA system? IS doesn't have a "chunk cutter" at all; they (presumably) made the animations from sprites that they repositioned (and could even scale and rotate) instead of drawing it all out and then expecting a bunch of code to detect "chunks" and "cut" them. Animations that take up a lot of "space" with their chunks that require more OAM data like Falcoknight animations seem to be able to be rendered only by the old FEditor, despite remaking the frames and frame timings exactly as the old Falcoknight (This happened with Dei's Black Beauty Falcoknight package). I think what happened is that older versions would copy all the data verbatim if you didn't change anything, but newer versions somehow end up "rendering" it all and then cutting it up again, which borks it size-wise. zahlman did some work with the custom animation part, I remember him talking about it. If you look at the way IS did it, it's a lot more complex than just storing the tiles and whatnot, a lot of the time the sprites are kept separated and then sort of glued together later... I did some research. If I'd actually gotten around to doing work, then FEditor wouldn't suck like this. I mean, yeah, I cleaned up Hex's code a bunch, but I had way loftier aspirations at one point that were never realized because the project seemed to be... decaying, and neither of us wanted to work on it anymore. Like if you take a look at the male shaman's graphics sheets, a lot of the frames have the cape kept separate from the rest of his body, and they're put back together somewhere in the process of the animation. Yeah, there are animations where the character's cape ruffles in the wind and... it's totally haxxed together for no good reason, IIRC. Hex was telling me something about tracking down a special code in the animation engine for it and I was WTFing that it would be necessary in the first place. FEditor usually just splits each frame into 8x8 tiles, checks if it already has each tile, and if it doesn't, it adds them in. That's how I understand it to work, anyway. It's a little more complicated than that (unlike with portraits, it can "cut" without being aligned to an 8x8 gridline; and it "cuts" bigger chunks than 8x8 if it can - there's a specific set of sizes that have special support in the GBA hardware, that the game's engine uses), but that's the basic principle, yes. Edited August 29, 2012 by zahlman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubby Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Oh, cool :P I remembered you talking 'bout some of how it cuts the pieces up. I did some research. If I'd actually gotten around to doing work, then FEditor wouldn't suck like this. I mean, yeah, I cleaned up Hex's code a bunch, but I had way loftier aspirations at one point that were never realized because the project seemed to be... decaying, and neither of us wanted to work on it anymore. Poor FEditor :( Are you (or anybody) still planning on NM3? I don't know much about it, I just hear it thrown around secretively from time to time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Oh, cool :P I remembered you talking 'bout some of how it cuts the pieces up. Poor FEditor :( Are you (or anybody) still planning on NM3? I don't know much about it, I just hear it thrown around secretively from time to time... Yeah, that excited me in more ways than one when I heard the claim, I think "It would make FEditor obsolete". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 ... Patience. Something is coming soon ;) Yeah, I know it's been over a year, but the same is true for DoF... And it won't "make FEditor obsolete" by itself. I would consider FEditor pretty much already obsolete anyway, just that there isn't a proper replacement for it yet. But the lessons learned from FEditor will inspire a bunch of smaller separate tools (maybe even packaged together sort of like how FEditor is now... this is the unclear part) that will work together with NM3 to make for a vastly improved hacking experience. Elegant tools for a more sophisticated age of hacking. I've been discussing it with Cam a fair bit recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubby Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Alright, sounds good. Just wanted to check on the situation :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyron Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 so does the axe dragon knight have a promotion? or is it just 1st tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 It has a promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyron Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 thank you astra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzz94 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Share Posted September 9, 2012 Actually in the package in the OP it does not have a promotion. TBA made one but I don't have the link to it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyron Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 okay i will look for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubby Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 you won't find a dl link. you'll have to wait until TBA fixes the timings and releases it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubby Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 http://www.mediafire.com/?srn2i26bkycq42i the BK using Cipher Lee's frames... Credit to Cipher Lee for making the sprites, and Canas of SF for scripting it. :3 i don't really know why i'm posting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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