Nino

[DeSu]

Nearly any unit in this game that gets to kill all the units in one chapter can be a good unit.

Thing is Nino can't be a good unit without extreme bias.

True. But if someone like, say... Erk, came in later, most people wouldn't be willing to go through the trouble of getting him caught up. Erk's an ok unit and all, but he isn't worth the the touble. Nino becomes amazing. Not certain how many people like Guy, but if guy came that late, I think a few people would be willing to work with him, see as he's a pretty good unit, likely your best swordmaster.

Edited August 16, 2008 by Faiya

[Lamer]

True. But if someone like, say... Erk, came in later, most people wouldn't be willing to go through the trouble of getting him caught up. Erk's an ok unit and all, but he isn't worth the the touble. Nino becomes amazing. Not certain how many people like Guy, but if guy came that late, I think a few people would be willing to work with him, see as he's a pretty good unit, likely your best swordmaster.

However, Erk does come earlier, making him the better unit.

Erk is an amazing unit and I'll prove it if you want tl;dr.

The point is, if you're name isn't Marcus, Matthew, or Legault, any unit that gets the Nino treatment can be a good unit. That means Nino isn't that good.

[DeSu]

However, Erk does come earlier, making him the better unit.

Erk is an amazing unit and I'll prove it if you want tl;dr.

The point is, if you're name isn't Marcus, Matthew, or Legault, any unit that gets the Nino treatment can be a good unit. That means Nino isn't that good.

I use the arena a lot, so many of my units a higher leveled. As a result, some units get to have whole maps basically to themselves for exp, with others as back-up. Have Nino do the same isn't difficult for me. Also, since I do arena stuff, Nino basically has the same experience as they did in leveling up. None of my other units turn out nearly as well.

I'm having a hard time explaining it, but what I'm trying to say is that I've given many other units special treatment, and they do turn out good. Just none as good as Nino.

Also, Matthew and Legault are awesome, kthx.

[Lamer]

Even without the arena, your main units should still be better than Nino, even if she gets abused. Why? Because being good units for the whole game>being the "best" for a couple of chapters. Also, you're units should be leagues ahead of Nino when she joins, solo chapters easier than she can, have supports to increase their combat ability, and still be better than Nino.

The whole "None of my other units turn out nearly as well." comment isn't really that good in an argument because it isn't really a fact; it's more like an opinion. And opinions mean nothing in an argument.

Also, I do know Matthew and Legault are awesome units. They just don't get as much out of the Nino treatment as others units do because they level up easily and are going to have to wait a good amount of chapters until they get better (promotion).

Edited August 16, 2008 by Lamer

[DeSu]

Even without the arena, your main units should still be better than Nino, even if she gets abused. Why? Because being good units for the whole game>being the "best" for a couple of chapters. Also, you're units should be leagues ahead of Nino when she joins, solo chapters easier than she can, have supports to increase their combat ability, and still be better than Nino.

The whole "None of my other units turn out nearly as well." comment isn't really that good in an argument because it isn't really a fact; it's more like an opinion. And opinions mean nothing in an argument.

Also, I do know Matthew and Legault are awesome units. They just don't get as much out of the Nino treatment as others units do because they level up easily and are going to have to wait a good amount of chapters until they get better (promotion).

This entire arguement is an opinion dude. Yes it's good to have good units throughtout the entire game, but once I get Nino I only replace one unit. I actually use a lot of units. I don't stick with exactly one team for the whole game. By getting Nino I'm not saying "Lulz ok i gotz Nino, she can just beat the game on her own!1one!". I'm just saying she's a great unit and good to have around.

[Lamer]

This entire arguement is an opinion dude.

Since when? When is having a unit that is good for a couple of chapters better than having a unit that is good for most of the game?

Yes it's good to have good units throughtout the entire game, but once I get Nino I only replace one unit.

And that unit has probably contributed more than Nino ever will.

By getting Nino I'm not saying "Lulz ok i gotz Nino, she can just beat the game on her own!1one!". I'm just saying she's a great unit and good to have around.

How is she a good unit? I seriously don't know. She only gets good if you're extremely biased towards her. I can use her, or I can use a unit with the same results with less effort. You haven't really proven a whole lot. All you did is say that she's good. Big whoop.

In normal mode, she's indeed easy to train. But then again, normal mode is pretty easy; any unit can be good in normal mode, even more so if you use the arena.

example:

Marcus attacks enemy Mercenary

Marcus kills enemy Mercenary

Nino attacks enemy Mercenary

Nino kills enemy Mercenary

Where's the difference? They both kill the enemy Mercenary. There's no doubt that Nino has better stats than Marcus; however they both yield the same results. Then again, Marcus has other things, like the full weapon triangle, high movement, and being the best unit for half the game. But we don't care, right? Normal mode is pretty much easy.

In hard mode, she pretty much sucks. The enemies are tougher and you yield less experience, making Nino tougher to train. Also by the time you get her, the units you are using are probably better than her, so I don't see why you're using her, over what I assume is a promoted unit that has been contributing more than she has.

In the chapter she comes in, she has to worry about a Bolting spell that kills her. Or she can go the other way and get killed by a bunch of units, some that can attack from a distance. The only way she's going to live is if she gets protected. Why does she need protection? Because she sucks.

In the side quest, the situation is even harder. You're facing a bunch of flying units that can go in the back lines and go rape her, and ballista and Sonia that can one hit KO her. Massive suck. It's either having to protect her while she kills things for less experience or leaving her somewhere safe, taking a better unit that doesn't need as much protecting, and finishing the chapter faster.

The next chapter is a cake walk in normal mode. She can use the Knights/Generals in the middle, or Cavs/Paladins from the top for easy experience and by this time she's grown a good amount of levels. In hard mode, she's going up against magic users whom do a good number on her, and she can't do a whole lot back. From the top, she's facing Valks that kill her. From the left, she's facing Shamans and Druids that have triangle advantage over her. In the middle, she's facing high resistance Monks and Bishops. There are also the random Heros in the chapter.

From there, it gets easier, but 31x has Kishuna and the last chapter she's outclassed by Athos, and that's only if you don't factor in your rest of the team, probably fully supported, and probably at a higher level. So I'm not seeing how she's a good unit.

[DeSu]

Since when? When is having a unit that is good for a couple of chapters better than having a unit that is good for most of the game?And that unit has probably contributed more than Nino ever will.

How is she a good unit? I seriously don't know. She only gets good if you're extremely biased towards her. I can use her, or I can use a unit with the same results with less effort. You haven't really proven a whole lot. All you did is say that she's good. Big whoop.

In normal mode, she's indeed easy to train. But then again, normal mode is pretty easy; any unit can be good in normal mode, even more so if you use the arena.

example:

Marcus attacks enemy Mercenary

Marcus kills enemy Mercenary

Nino attacks enemy Mercenary

Nino kills enemy Mercenary

Where's the difference? They both kill the enemy Mercenary. There's no doubt that Nino has better stats than Marcus; however they both yield the same results. Then again, Marcus has other things, like the full weapon triangle, high movement, and being the best unit for half the game. But we don't care, right? Normal mode is pretty much easy.

In hard mode, she pretty much sucks. The enemies are tougher and you yield less experience, making Nino tougher to train. Also by the time you get her, the units you are using are probably better than her, so I don't see why you're using her, over what I assume is a promoted unit that has been contributing more than she has.

In the chapter she comes in, she has to worry about a Bolting spell that kills her. Or she can go the other way and get killed by a bunch of units, some that can attack from a distance. The only way she's going to live is if she gets protected. Why does she need protection? Because she sucks.

In the side quest, the situation is even harder. You're facing a bunch of flying units that can go in the back lines and go rape her, and ballista and Sonia that can one hit KO her. Massive suck. It's either having to protect her while she kills things for less experience or leaving her somewhere safe, taking a better unit that doesn't need as much protecting, and finishing the chapter faster.

The next chapter is a cake walk in normal mode. She can use the Knights/Generals in the middle, or Cavs/Paladins from the top for easy experience and by this time she's grown a good amount of levels. In hard mode, she's going up against magic users whom do a good number on her, and she can't do a whole lot back. From the top, she's facing Valks that kill her. From the left, she's facing Shamans and Druids that have triangle advantage over her. In the middle, she's facing high resistance Monks and Bishops. There are also the random Heros in the chapter.

From there, it gets easier, but 31x has Kishuna and the last chapter she's outclassed by Athos, and that's only if you don't factor in your rest of the team, probably fully supported, and probably at a higher level. So I'm not seeing how she's a good unit.

Ok, seriously man. Your arguement is basically "Don't use Nino, it's too hard." That's all I'm getting. People use Nino because she good. People like you don't use Nino because you don't like working to have a good unit, you want her to either be instant good or not at all. Basically what you're saying. Also, your using the arguement that another unit contributed more. You're getting personal about it. WHICH IS EXACTLY THE WHOLE THING ABOUT NINO. She's good if you like her and want her around. If you just want to hate on the girl, then hate. But don't bash other people because you think marcus totally deserves and spot she could be in.

You, also, haven't proven anything. You've said she isn't good/ other units are better. BIG WHOOP

Edited August 16, 2008 by Faiya

[Lamer]

Ok, seriously man. Your arguement is basically "Don't use Nino, it's too hard."

But then again, normal mode is pretty easy; any unit can be good in normal mode, even more so if you use the arena.

Did I or did I not just say that? I'm more concerned about hard mode because not every unit in it is good.

You're getting personal about it. WHICH IS EXACTLY THE WHOLE THING ABOUT NINO.

When in the world did I get personal? Am I the one yelling?

I have proven something: she's tough to use in hard mode. So, how is she not? Did I even bash or flame you? No, I bashed and flamed Nino.

People like you don't use Nino because you don't like working to have a good unit, you want her to either be instant good or not at all.

Maybe because it's better than actually working to get a good unit? Isn't the point to beat the chapter as fast and as efficient as possible? Don't I get that with units that are good with little or no effort? Aren't those types of units useful?

Like I said, I'd rather get me a unit with the same battle results as Nino for less effort. If I want a unit with shiny green stats, I'll just go to the secret shop and spend all my arena money on stat ups.

There isn't a whole lot of difference between a unit with 23 speed to a unit with 28 speed. They're both going to double the same amount of enemies. Hey, even Oswin doubles alot in normal mode. It's too damn easy. Just like there isn't a whole lot of difference between a unit like Marcus and Nino. They're both killing the enemies just the same so there isn't much of a point.

You, also, haven't proven anything.

Prove to me she is a good unit. I already said anyone can be good in normal mode because it's pretty damn easy. All I get from you is "Nino is a good unit if you choose to use her." I actually gave real scenarios on why she sucks.

Edited August 16, 2008 by Lamer

[DeSu]

But then again, normal mode is pretty easy; any unit can be good in normal mode, even more so if you use the arena.

Did I or did I not just say that? I'm more concerned about hard mode because not every unit in it is good.

When in the world did I get personal? Am I the one yelling?

I have proven something: she's tough to use in hard mode. So, how is she not? Did I even bash or flame you? No, I bashed and flamed Nino.

Maybe because it's better than actually working to get a good unit? Isn't the point to beat the chapter as fast as possible?

Like I said, I'd rather get me a unit with the same battle results as Nino for less effort. If I want a unit with shiny green stats, I'll just go to the secret shop and spend all my arena money on stat ups.

Prove to me she is a good unit. I already said anyone can be good in normal mode because it's pretty damn easy. All I get from you is "Nino is a good unit if you choose to use her." I actually gave scenarios on why she sucks.

How about a temporary cease-fire, as I see this heading nowhere faster than light. If you still wanna argue I'm game. But this is getting kinda boring, seeing how both of us are too stubborn to accept the other's ideals. Sooo, yeah.

[Lamer]

lolwtfbbq

That statement is basically as relevant as my statement.

Edited August 16, 2008 by Lamer

[Fireman]

How about a temporary cease-fire, as I see this heading nowhere faster than light. If you still wanna argue I'm game. But this is getting kinda boring, seeing how both of us are too stubborn to accept the other's ideals. Sooo, yeah.

And that my friend, is how debates really work.

Anyway, use Nino or don't use Nino. "Nino sucking" is not a fact. It's an opinion. Like I said earlier, it all comes down to personal preference when deciding which characters you want to use and which ones you don't want to use.

[DeSu]

lolwtfbbq

That statement is basically as relevant as my statement.

Not getting it.

[Lamer]

And that my friend, is how debates really work.

[DeSu]

And that my friend, is how debates really work.

Still not getting the whole lolwtfbbq thing... <_<

[Lamer]

You don't get it, as much you don't get the whole arguement.

[DeSu]

You don't get it, as much you don't get the whole arguement.

I'm getting a feeling of aggression here. I got the arguement, but I just didn't accept your point. as you didn't accept mine. In that case, YOU didn't get the arguement.

[Lamer]

Because there wasn't an argument from you. All you said is "Nino is good".

And she is...even though anyone can be good in an easy game.

Edited August 16, 2008 by Lamer

[Nightmare]

Lamer, are you saying you actually had an argument?

[DeSu]

Because there wasn't an argument from you. All you said is "Nino is good".

And she is...even though anyone can be good in an easy game.

As opposed to what? Would there have been an arguement if I just said "You're right Nino is bad"? Besides, if I wasn't providing an arguement, then you were just debating nothing. Way to fail.

[Kintenbo]

Nino is actually not that great in Hard Mode, this coming from a massive fan of hers. BUT, she isn't bottom tier thanks to a certain thing: Experience Rank. It's been known that getting an A in the experience rank is very hard to do. Nino comes underleveled, which means she can get more experience. She can actually have decent stats, so it means she's not a complete waste of time. Still, she needs to be babied to be full fledged combat worthy, but she still helps you. It made me very happy when I heard Nino got to go up!

[Rehab]

Faiya, Lamer was throwing your points back at you triple strength, and you ended up saying "we just don't get each other lol." I like Nino. Lamer, however, is pretty damn right about her being too much trouble and not enough reward on hard mode. You were also being a lot more aggro than he was. He never insulted you at all.

Edited August 16, 2008 by Mac

[Smashy B]

I'm with Faiya, I find Nino to be a great unit and relativity easy for me to train (As stated before). So what if she's not around for the whole game? She makes an excellent endgame character.

[Knife]

This is really how it works:

Nino on Normal mode - Awesome. You should raise her since she's less of a EXP hog in this mode.

Nino on Hard Mode - Doable, but you have many better options. For her to get up to 20/20. you'd pretty much have to force feed her enemies and steal that needed EXP from other units.

[TLSothe]

Nino+abuse+ Athos's magic drops=GOD

[Florete]

Let's see here:

Erk: Prett much sucks in comparison to almost any other magic user.

Marcus: Is only good until about chapter 17, and even until then he's a waste.

Nino: Amazing in normal mode and, like I've said about 13 times elsewhere. not nearly as difficult to train as made out to be. Get her a few kills, a few levels, and she's already doubling and dodging. I've seen a lv 15 mage Nino with better overall stats than a lv 3 Sage Erk.

In hard mode: Tougher to train for sure, but not too difficult if you're smart about it. I've done it more than once and never regretted it. Though if you aren't going for ranks, or even if you are, Pent may be a better choice to save you any accidental mistakes.