Fargo294 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) If any of you have played this game, you will know how hard this game gets later on. So I devised the plan of starting up a walkthrough for people to follow and learn how to beat the chapters. However, there is a problem: doing this on my own wouldn't work too well. First of all, NO ONE knows where to look for a good walkthrough for this game; Second, the opinion of a single guy can't prove too reliable. Hence why I've started this topic: I need help from people. If this walkthrough is started up by members of serenes forest, fans who go there will know where to look for help on this game. Gathering help from others on coming up with strategies and deciding what characters to use, will make this walkthrough more profesional than if this were a solo project. The commentary can help the viewers get a better idea of what we're aiming for with our strategy and help fight against the possibility of the viewer just mimicing the actions that we make and hope for the best. If you have any questions at all, bring them up in this thread. If you wish to take part in this walkthrough, please send me a personal message and I will give you my skype and I will add you to the skype group I have made for this walkthrough. EDIT: Everything I say seems to be completely torn apart by everybody. Apparently, everyone but me seems to think that growths mean absolutely nothing, sorry for having an opinion. I removed the characters I thought would be useful since everyone on this forum takes their chance to jump at anything they disagree with. Edited April 17, 2013 by Fargo294 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Kamina Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Hmmmm... A Thracia 776 walkthrough. Sounds interesting. I'm a relatively busy person I won't really be able to contribute much, but since I've beaten Thracia 776 3 times I'll say a few things for general purpose. 1: Thieves are VERY important. If Lifis, Pahn, and Lara die or you run out of lockpicks the game can become unwinnable because you need them to open doors. (There are not enough door keys to beat the game.) 2: Use Fergus. PCC of 5, arrives early in the game with decent base stats, good growths, uses swords mounted and unmounted, can use the Beo Sword, and is one of the 4 characters who can use the Blaggi Sword. 3: Use scrolls to help characters you want to use but are lacking in certain stats (like Lifis and his Luck and Build stats) 4: Steal items or capture enemies often. 5: Keep plently of restore staffs for later in the game. Edited April 16, 2013 by Zelos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo294 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Hmmmm... A Thracia 776 walkthrough. Sounds interesting. I'm a relatively busy person I won't really be able to contribute much, but since I've beaten Thracia 776 3 times I'll say a few things for general purpose. 1: Thieves are VERY important. If Lifis, Pahn, and Lara die or you run out of lockpicks the game can become unwinnable because you need them to open doors. (There are not enough door keys to beat the game.) 2: Use Fergus. PCC of 5, arrives early in the game with decent base stats, good growths, uses swords mounted and unmounted, can use the Beo Sword, and is one of the 4 characters who can use the Blaggi Sword. 3: Use scrolls to help characters you want to use but are lacking in certain stats (like Lifis and his Luck and Build stats) 4: Steal items or capture enemies often. 5: Keep plently of restore staffs for later in the game. Restore staff usage is DEFINITELY being conserved througout the game. I thought about just going through the game using save states so I wouldn't have to worry too much about character deaths. People could say that it would hamper the game's difficulty, but maybe I could be more reluctant to use save states like by maybe using save states at the beginning of each turn. I suppose that is something my group will have to think on. Capturing is also incredibly necessary since basic weaponry costs further in the game are crazy high. For the purposes of capturing, I've already decided to use Hicks, and have taken Marty into consideration. When it comes to Fergus, his growths are mostly below average, so I'm thinking Delmud can join the main team when he comes in(he also has a Pursuit coefficient of 5). I suppose Fergus can be fixed with good scrolls like Odo or Sety. Lifis... is troublesome. His growths are kind of sad. His luck is non-existant, and the rest of his growths pale in comparison to Pirn(who I plan on using as my main thief). So unless I plan on filling his inventory to the brim with scrolls, I'm turning away from him. Edited April 16, 2013 by Fargo294 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Kamina Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) The main thing about Lifis though is that you get him in chapter 3 if you captured him in 2x and you don't get Pahn until chapter 12x, so you will need someone to be your main thief until then. (Lara is horrible as a thief as she can't even steal magic when you get her) I usually end up using Lifis and subbing him out for Pahn when his fatigue makes him unable to be used in a chapter. (Granted I give him the Blaggi, Ulir, and Neir scrolls so he doesn't end up with terrible luck, and gets enough build to steal heavier weapons) So yeah, I personally prefer Lifis if only for the fact that he starts out a a lower level (and unpromoted) so it's easier for me to max out his other stats, like strength. The Luna skill manual is really good for Fergus. Oh, and about growths, they don't matter as much in this game because all of the caps for stats that aren't HP are 20. If you take average stats into account Fergus usually caps Strength, Skill, Speed, and Luck while Delmud only caps skill on average. (Granted I don't really care about average stats and have had on multiple playthroughs Fergus cap Strength, Speed, and Luck by level 7 after promotion, and the fact that scrolls exist.) Edited April 16, 2013 by Zelos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo294 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 The main thing about Lifis though is that you get him from chapter 3 if you captured him in 2x and you don't get Pahn until chapter 12x, so you will need someone to be your main thief until then. (Lara is horrible as a thief) I usually end up using Lifis and subbing him out for Pahn when his fatigue makes him unable to be used in a chapter. (Granted I through the Blaggi, Ulir, and Neir scrolls on him so he doesn't end up with terrible luck, and gets enough build to steal heavier weapons) So yeah, I personally prefer Lifis if only for the fact that he starts out a a lower level (and unpromoted) so it's easier for me to max out his other stats, like strength. This is the reason why I need a think tank! So many conflicting ideas need to combine in order to finalize who joins and who does what. Lifis does have a lot more room to grow, (and I agree, Lara is terrible), but he's hard to train and hard to use in battle. More to think about I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) 1: Thieves are VERY important. If Lifis, Pahn, and Lara die or you run out of lockpicks the game can become unwinnable because you need them to open doors. (There are not enough door keys to beat the game.) Door keys are buyable. That said though, Lifis is still incredibly important, since thieves can steal weapons in this game. He can disarm pretty much every mage from the start, and if you're lucky, can start stealing heavier weapons later on. I'm not sure why you think Lifis is that hard to use, since he's the only other person besides Leaf to stick with you in manster, giving him a great opportunity to get a level lead. Enemy ballistae also seem to prioritize thieves for some reason, so that's also something that can be used to your advantage. You should definitely use him. Lara should only be used as a dancer. She's useless in combat and won't be able to steal any weapon. Since she can use lockpicks as a dancer, there's no reason not to promote her into one. Really, you shouldn't worry about growths at all. Low caps plus the scrolls means anyone is salvageable, even Marty. Fergus doesn't care about low growths when he's orkoing everything. Dalsin isn't terribly great because there's a ridiculous abundance of armor-slaying weapons. I'd use Brighton over Hicks, since wrath is infinitely better than luck. His build doesn't matter since anyone on a horse can capture every non-mounted/20 bld enemy. They're both solid, but Brighton definitely edges out. Dagda's one of the coolest characters in the game. Use him. I'd personally recommend you get more in-depth with the game before trying to make a guide, since your reasonings are way off base. Edited April 16, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo294 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 I'd personally recommend you get more in-depth with the game before trying to make a guide, since your reasonings are way off base. EXACTLY. THIS IS WHY I NEED PEOPLE. I'M TOO OPINIONATED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I meant that you should actually play through the game before asking others. You're not going to get anywhere if you're stuck on the mindset that growths mean everything and thinking that Hick's high build makes him a better capturer than any other mounted unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo294 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 I meant that you should actually play through the game before asking others. You're not going to get anywhere if you're stuck on the mindset that growths mean everything and thinking that Hick's high build makes him a better capturer than any other mounted unit. I have played the game, my fear of somehow not being strong enough to get past the tough parts is clouding my mind. From now on I'm being more open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Then I would recommend first beating the game before making a walkthrough about beating the game. I hope I'm not sounding too harsh, but you really should learn more about the game before trying to make a walkthrough of it. There's already (old) walkthroughs on gamefaqs that use the kind of reasoning that you do. Edited April 16, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I'm of the opinion you don't really need to set out with a final team in mind. The low caps, scrolls, the fatigue system and no deployment screen until chapter 8 mean you should try everyone, and keep those who seem to be performing well. Growths are less important in determining a unit's worth compared to class, skills and personal weapons. The hardest part of the game is the Manster chapters, so if you can pass those, you shouldn't have too much trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 People use Sara because she has great growth? News to me Anyway Staves need more mention because the game is named Staves 776 for a good reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I used sara on my first playthrough and abused every single level up along with using two scrolls so she'd hit max build and max movement. My god it made her useful. /butklokpeoplewhosavestateabusearescum/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 since when do higher growths allow for better stability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Because growth is everything that matters Have you seen FE7? Lyn is better than Marcus because she has the or second highest growth in the game! ....okay i feel retarded by saying that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) for a moment i thought you were serious EDIT i also was going to seriously consider helping out but then there are gems like proffesional Edited April 16, 2013 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 tbh Lifis shouldn't really be treated as a combat unit either, though getting lucky with BLD level-ups improves his utility to an extent. You mention there are no good walkthroughs for this game. Why ignore Aquilae's? That's a good effort and good resource to consult for any player (besides ones trying to SSS-rank the game or smth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 since when do higher growths allow for better stability Since Asvel with Sety Scroll has guaranteed speed proc. Then again, most growths aren't that high, a lot of the better scrolls don't come until later on, and even if you can reach 100% growth you still have to get the levels, so I guess I'm just being a pendantic jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo294 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 for a moment i thought you were serious EDIT i also was going to seriously consider helping out but then there are gems like I think you forgot to finish your sentence... and serious about what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorena Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I played through FE5 partially and all I can recall is that I needed more swords for all the early indoor chapters. But, the only units who could capture due to build were axe wielding with low as hell accuracy against swords who made it worse to try capturing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo294 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) tbh Lifis shouldn't really be treated as a combat unit either, though getting lucky with BLD level-ups improves his utility to an extent. You mention there are no good walkthroughs for this game. Why ignore Aquilae's? That's a good effort and good resource to consult for any player (besides ones trying to SSS-rank the game or smth). I never said there are no good walkthroughs, I said they can't be found easily. Maybe I could have worded it a little better. What I meant was it can be hard to find a good walkthrough and people may not want to sift through thousands of walkthroughs to find one that works the best for them. I think that if a player finds a walkthrough made and supported by a community, that people will find it more profesional and look to it for advice. Edited April 17, 2013 by Fargo294 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I think you forgot to finish your sentence... and serious about what? The joke is Marcus is a much better unit than Lyn can ever hope to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Vorena: That's what Fin is for. TC: a) It's "professional" b) 99 times out of 100, there'll be a good walkthrough on Gamefaqs, and you can easily tell which one is the most comprehensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 IIRC the only guide on gamefaqs are those that said Mareeta is godly and stuff like that which is simmilar to non Seth FEwiki character ratings So its not exactly reliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo294 Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) I goofed up, ignore this part. Edited April 17, 2013 by Fargo294 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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