charlie_ Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 The three seperate characters thing is stupid. Bias should be allowed with +/- 1 since at least we see how it impacts the ratings. If it's gone people will sneak it into the ratings anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 The three seperate characters thing is stupid. Bias should be allowed with +/- 1 since at least we see how it impacts the ratings. If it's gone people will sneak it into the ratings anyway. The reason behind limiting the character is that the goal isn't to have everyone write a paragraph every time because not everyone has the time to do so. But I still need to make sure that the people aren't rating purely on bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Ask for a reason behind every rating. Just accept anything that isn't obviously biased and it'll be accurate enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Lazy people can just quote other people's reasoning. It's not hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 So the only change in the system is a required explanation. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I don't believe that the double bonuses have any active contribution towards a characters worth, with the exception of Fredrick. I also don't think should rate a character on how good a parent they are because then units like donnel who have a hard time being an active team member but passes on good skills and a good class set would have inflated ratings making people think that they are a very useful unit throughout the whole game. Again I'm open to suggestion I'll put up a poll and I will see what everyone thinks. On the kids I don't have a solid plan yet. I might rate everyone possible combination. But right now I'm leaning towards polling the best farther. Huh? Pair up bonuses are a huge part of characters' utility, in fact, Lonqu in the tier list is only so high up because of his pair up bonus. It should definitely be counted toward a units worth. As for parents, I also think that potential should be counted. These RTU's shouldn't be taken so damn seriously. It's an RTU. If someone wants to give Donnel high marks because he turns out good later on and is a great father, why should we not allow that? Is a score that no one's going to care about a month after the end of the series really that important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I'm actually with Reggie here. If we don't consider pair up bonuses and pair up ability then we aren't really rating the characters. Also I think the ability to have a great child should be considered when doing this I can't go into this more atm but I'll try to later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 So right now it looks like both will be accounted for in the ratings and I will change the OP to replicate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Bias should definitely also stay, for reasons mentioned above. It makes actually rating units far more interesting, and the endgame ratings themselves seriously aren't really that important anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) On the bias system it will be decided by the poll. And would the one person who voted for a new system please submit your idea. Just as a quick note I will be offline for the next four hours. While I'm gone please discuss any potential changes and I will or will not act on them depending on the consensus. Edited May 19, 2013 by Randa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 No bias. There was a shitstorm in the FE12 RTU because MU didn't get a perfect 10 due to bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 That had to have been the most exaggerated overreaction ever. Why forgo something that actually makes these threads interesting just so a few less people will whine at the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Read all about it here: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=33886 I dunno, I guess some are annoyed with the negativity expressed, myself included. Though I'm gonna laugh when Donnel is rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) Oh, shut up! Whining about this is just pointless. Never before have more truthful words been spoken. From Crashgordon of all people. Edited May 19, 2013 by Constable Reggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) As much as I loathe seeing this started up again, my two cents on the subject are that bias needs to be dropped altogether. I remember talk about how in some instances, people got hammered by so much negative bias that they lost as much as an entire point from what their rating would've been without it as a factor. Edited May 19, 2013 by Levant Fortner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 (edited) So we shouldn't hurt the Fe characters' feelings? Come on its the only thing that makes the rtus interesting to partake in. Edited May 19, 2013 by Constable Reggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 So we shouldn't hurt the Fe characters' feelings? Come on its the only thing that makes the rtus interesting to partake in. To me, bias is just another reason why the whole thing is a total farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 At this point it looks like the bias system will be out the window. I'll be on for about 30 minutes then I won't be able to answer questions or discuss this, so ask now or till tommorow hold your peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Hold on what, there's 10 votes for bias and 9 against. Edited May 20, 2013 by Constable Reggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I'm against! There now we're tied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 However the way I'm interpreting the rework is that at the moment it should be removed but has the potential to come back. However nobody has said how to fix it so I am considering them to be votes against. At the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Rofl 2 votes immediately came right after I said that. What's the point of even doing Rtus if all people are allowed to do is evaluate them purely on a gameplay perspective. It's not like people are going to use the ratings for anything anyway, people just get angry because favorite character 1 is below least favorite character 2. Edited May 20, 2013 by Constable Reggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Rofl 2 votes immediately came right after I said that. What's the point of even doing Rtus if all people are allowed to do is evaluate them purely on a gameplay perspective. ... I'm not sure what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Where's the entertainment in actually partaking in it if all it is is just a tier list in number format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 The main point that people seem to be making is that the bias system ATM hurts the entire idea of the system more than it helps I am willing to listen to ideas on how to fix it. If you want it to stay please bring out a way to make it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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