shadykid Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Cordelia still loses to Gregor and Virion to be considered a canon sue see Gregor's a canon sue, he never loses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) no, your insistence on calling her a Sue when she isn't one isn't going anywhere Is this a fact now? No room for debate? Cordelia's a Mary Sue in my eyes, and your bullshit semantic definitions won't do anything to convince anyone of otherwise. Also, Virion's probably the best written character, at least in my opinion. Easily the best womanizer archetype in any Fe game too. Edited July 6, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Is this a fact now? No room for debate? Cordelia's a Mary Sue in my eyes, and your bullshit semantic definitions don't do anything to convince anyone of otherwise. Also, Virion's probably the best written character, at least in my opinion. Easily the best womanizer archetype in any Fe game too. since when did anyone claim you weren't allowed to call her a Mary Sue also what does Virion have to do with anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Since when you started parading around that Cordelia not being a Sue is some kind of fact also what does Gregor have to do with anything Edited July 6, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Since when you started parading around that Cordelia not being a Sue is some kind of fact also what does Gregor have to do with anything you seem mad that I don't agree with you and JSND brought up Gregor, I just played along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Yeah that's it, I'm fuming over here simply because your opinion is different than mine, definitely doesn't have anything to do with the laughable aura of snideness in your response to Fire Mage. Edited July 6, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Yeah that's it, I'm fuming over here simply because your opinion is different than mine, definitely doesn't have anything to do with the laughable aura of snideness in your response to Fire Mage. pretty sure I didn't write four paragraphs unlike some people here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 That doesn't have anything to do with anything regarding your response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Cordelia is a CANON sue, then. Is that more accurate? No, its still woefully inaccurate. Still throwing around sue like it means something I see. Yeah that's it, I'm fuming over here simply because your opinion is different than mine, definitely doesn't have anything to do with the laughable aura of snideness in your response to Fire Mage. Hahaha trying to say you accept others opinions. That's cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Sue is the true Sue of the FE series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) No, its still woefully inaccurate. Still throwing around sue like it means something I see. I didn't realize there's a specific definition for the term Mary Sue. Direct me to the dictionary/merriam-webster definition, please? Hahaha trying to say you accept others opinions. That's cute. Oh please troll, I'm afraid I'm going to have to discount your opinions because maybe probably sort of likely is extremely most definitely uncommonly subtle trolling as far as I'm concerned. Edited July 6, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 http://nws.merriam-webster.com/opendictionary/newword_display_alpha.php?letter=Ma&last=240 This work for you? "A female character in a fanfiction who is perfect, or has only "endearing flaws". She often is beautiful, and is described poetically, usually with cliche metaphors. A Mary Sue is also usually tailored either to be the author's dream self, or as a perfect mate for a canon character." Theoretically, mw (your request) would at least monitor these things, and their existence on the website is tacit approval of the definition. so... does Cordelia match that definition? Oh, and everyone stop being such dicks to each other. Disagreeing is great. Discussions are so much more fun that way. But snide and sarcastic comments about Reggie's alleged inability to accept others' opinions or outright calling people trolls for pointing out alleged problems is a lot questionable. I say again, stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fala Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Cordelia a Canon Sue? Yes, I do agree that she is one but she's tolerable because I can pretend that she doesn't exist. Micaiah on the other hand... The Avatar IS Wish Fufillment incarnate but s/he is bad character creation so one cannot really judge his/her peronality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Micaiah is easilly one of the more entertaining Lord in the series At least unlike Chrom everyone hates her. Chrom is Micaiah 0.5 who does not get hated because the fangirls want to touch his ass Also Gregor and Virion have to do with this topic because despite the fact that Gregor and Virion has the same stuff as Cordelia(read: everyone and their mom supports is about how awesome they are, good at anything they do and some more) they are STILL a much more interesting character than Cordelia can ever hope to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Micaiah is easilly one of the more entertaining Lord in the series At least unlike Chrom everyone hates her. Chrom is Micaiah 0.5 who does not get hated because the fangirls want to touch his ass Also Gregor and Virion have to do with this topic because despite the fact that Gregor and Virion has the same stuff as Cordelia(read: everyone and their mom supports is about how awesome they are, good at anything they do and some more) they are STILL a much more interesting character than Cordelia can ever hope to be Male!Micaiah, instantly loved by everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fala Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Micaiah is easilly one of the more entertaining Lord in the series NO! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) http://nws.merriam-webster.com/opendictionary/newword_display_alpha.php?letter=Ma&last=240 This work for you? "A female character in a fanfiction who is perfect, or has only "endearing flaws". She often is beautiful, and is described poetically, usually with cliche metaphors. A Mary Sue is also usually tailored either to be the author's dream self, or as a perfect mate for a canon character." Theoretically, mw (your request) would at least monitor these things, and their existence on the website is tacit approval of the definition. so... does Cordelia match that definition? It seems as though those definitions are submitted by random people, and aren't established definitions, which only strengthens my point that the term Mary Sue is vaguely defined and up to debate, as seen by the two applications under Mary Sue that somewhat contradict each other. So as to straight up claim that no discussion is possible because Cordelia can not be a Mary Sue due to your own interpretation of the definition is stupid. Also Gregor and Virion have to do with this topic because despite the fact that Gregor and Virion has the same stuff as Cordelia(read: everyone and their mom supports is about how awesome they are, good at anything they do and some more) they are STILL a much more interesting character than Cordelia can ever hope to be I can't say anything for Gregor, but Virion definitely did not come off as this way whatsoever. The two biggest pieces that seem to suggest otherwise is his supports with MU, and his ending. The chess(?) battle in the first (which I still maintain is by far the best support convo in the game, aside from Walhart's) establishes that Virion is a fantastic tactician, even better than MU, when it comes to results, but he holds no regard for his team's safety to get those victories. That flaw in Virion's mindset is an actual flaw; he admits that he isn't a fantastic tactician because of irregard to casualties, regardless of the results. The second is fairly simple in that it points out that Rosanne despises him, even after what he did what he thought to be helpful for the nation. He's willing to perform seemingly acts of cowardice to help his nation, something that a Mary Sue stereotype in the same situation would go "fuck that" in response and singlehandedly ward off Valm's army. Edited July 6, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Cordelia still loses to Gregor and Virion to be considered a canon sue Virion? A Sue? what? Actually, Virion gets picked on by multiple characters (and even his ending) and called out for being both a "turncloak", "traitor", "craven", and of course a skirt chaser. His introduction to the player is Sully kicking the guy in the face. A Sue, this is not. Gregor is also introduced to player as a creep initially. He has several characters yelling at him before he gets the chance to explain himself. How is that Sue like again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Virion? A Sue? what? Actually, Virion gets picked on by multiple characters (and even his ending) and called out for being both a "turncloak", "traitor", "craven", and of course a skirt chaser. His introduction to the player is Sully kicking the guy in the face. A Sue, this is not. Gregor is also introduced to player as a creep initially. He has several characters yelling at him before he gets the chance to explain himself. How is that Sue like again? he's joking around, it's Dragon Boner Edited July 6, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) But Virion and Gregor still wins everything Including being a well written character Virion + Gregor > The rest Deal with it And guess what? if they put even only half their thought that they used to write Virion and Gregor to write Cordelia outside of "OH HEY UNRECRUITED LOVE HOW LOVELY", she would be MUCH better since the former has what is essentially a same thing as the latter's "backstory" Edited July 7, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Virion + Gregor > The rest Deal with it false, Henry>all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Henry is as powerful as Virion and Gregor. He's an exception >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shengar Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 he's joking around, it's Dragon Boner Its hard to determine whether Dragon Booner is joking or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Its hard to determine whether Dragon Booner is joking or not When people begin flinging "Mary Sue" around, its rarely in jest anymore. D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Its Lunatic Reverse+ to determine whether Dragon Booner is joking or not fixed for accuracy sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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