Yen'Fey's morality

[Acacia Sgt]

Isn't it also that Excellus was hoping that revealing the truth to Say'ri would break her? Seems like a guy that would love to watch someone shatter before going for the easy kill.

I don't know about hoping to break her, but revealing the truth and let it sink in was the reason he decided not to attack right there and then after Yen'Fay's death, which just further proves that the whole death threat thing was only ever to have a leash on Yen'Fay and nothing more.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Acacia Sgt

[blah the Prussian]

After seeing how Excellus can just warp in and out, as it happened in both Chapters 17 and 18, I think Yen'Fay probably thought it didn't mattered that Say'Ri was with Chrom, Excellus could just easily warp nearby and BAM, dead sister.

OBJECTION! If Exellus could kill Sayri like that, it stands to reason that he could kill Chrom like that too. The fact that Walhart didnt have him do that is proof that Exellus couldnt do this. Yenfey should have realized this. So either you have a major plothole or an idiotic Camus. take your pick.

[Acacia Sgt]

After seeing how Excellus can just warp in and out, as it happened in both Chapters 17 and 18, I think Yen'Fay probably thought it didn't mattered that Say'Ri was with Chrom, Excellus could just easily warp nearby and BAM, dead sister.

OBJECTION! If Exellus could kill Sayri like that, it stands to reason that he could kill Chrom like that too. The fact that Walhart didnt have him do that is proof that Exellus couldnt do this. Yenfey should have realized this. So either you have a major plothole or an idiotic Camus. take your pick.

Walhart isn't the sort of person that would order that. That much he declares at the start of Ch19.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Acacia Sgt

[blah the Prussian]

Walhart isn't the sort of person that would order that. That much he declares at the start of Ch19.

Yes, but Exellus was actually working for Aversa. Seeing as Chrom is one of the only people who can beat Grima, Aversa would have ordered that to happen to Chrom.

[CT075]

i doubt it

for one, excellus came across as more self-aligned to me

secondly, validar didn't consider chrom a threat like, at all

[blah the Prussian]

Standing his ground only serves to get his sister and his people killed. The Chon'sin had something of a chance- yes, but all they could do at best was delay the inevitable- and by that, that means "die slowly, but die none the less". Their stand may last a few years but it wouldn't have prevented Walhart's victory in Valm. Judging by the slight differences, Yen'fay was very on the edge with either decision-- and frankly, it's quite obvious that in the original timeline, he made the wrong one (standing his ground against Walhart). This could only end in a brutal slaughter in an extended war against a foe that they could delay, but not stop.

It hardly matters what the main factor was, when you're faced with the choice between pride and certain death, the wisest course is to surrender. Living to fight another day is not cowardice.

Objection! In the game, it was never stated that Exellus was threatening his people, only his sister. Had Yenfey betrayed Walhart, only his sister would have died. I am not talking about surrendering to the Valmese. I am talking about serving as a general in Walharts army.

[Acacia Sgt]

Yes, but Exellus was actually working for Aversa. Seeing as Chrom is one of the only people who can beat Grima, Aversa would have ordered that to happen to Chrom.

Excellus was never "actually working" for Aversa. He was Walhart's tactician all the time, and at some point approached by Aversa, offering him Plegia's Throne if he could snatch the shield away from Chrom. Again, not kill Chrom, just grab the shield. Even disregarding that trying to warp-ambush Chrom is a different case than Say'Ri (considering factors like location, reaction-time of the victim, presence of other people, also the fact that Chrom could not have the shield with him at the time, etc), he most likely didn't while they still had Yen'fay since he thought they could just overpower Chrom the old-fashioned way, then grab the shield from his corpse or something.

Then afterwards, he was still thinking the southern dynasts were still on their side, so that explains why he didn't did it at that time either. Then after, he got more worried of his own life, then Walhart approached him telling him he knew everything and in fact only for amusement and stuff that Excellus was even alive at that point, then appointed him Captain, effectively cutting off any other option.

And then you have to take into account if Excellus ever thought of using his warping for that purpose. This is important since Excellus himself was overconfident and arrogant, with a bit of a lack of backbone when things weren't on his favor. He was so sure that they would overpower Chrom with mere numbers that he thought that was gonna be enough. When things started to go south he was thinking more on self-preservation, and then when Walhart cornered him, his mind was focused more on making it out of the whole mess alive.

Edited July 26, 2013 by Acacia Sgt

[charlie_]

imo yen'fay was fe13's attempt to recreate eltosian (eldigan, is that his new name?), but they did it really poorly

This. Why did Yen'Fay fight his sister's army to try and save her? Just seemed dumb to me.

[euklyd]

I always thought the whole deal with enemies warping has never been handled well in FE; it's used for gloating, and very little else.[spoiler=Complaints about warping]

• Manfroy? Warps in, steals wives, runs away. Never warps in and slaughters your army. Julius? Warps to save Areone and Ishtar, but not used for much either.
• Nergal? He warps in, gloats, maybe opens a Dragon's Gate, but he never warps in and slaughters your army.
• Lyon? Warps around, runs away, gloats, but again, never warps in and slaughters your army.
• Black Knight? Mostly used for running around, escaping from collapsing buildings, and pulling Micaiah's ass out of the fire. Never warps in and slaughters your army. He does however use it for a lot more than to just gloat, and he certainly seems able to kick your ass, he just never does.

We talk a lot about how Excellus maybe could just warp and assassinate someone, but I'm not even sure that's physically possible in the FE universe.

Oh wait, there was that Risen Assassin that warped in at the end of Ch. 12 and tried to kill Chrom. Hmm.

Yen'Fey was certainly stupid not to switch sides at the end though, for reasons listed above. My best guess is that he felt that after all the bad stuff he did, his only atonement could be to die.

Which is still stupid.

[Acacia Sgt]

I agree that about warping.

[spoiler=More about warping]You forgot the Begnion Senators and Izuka. Lekain easily warps to the same hallway Pelleas happened to be to gloat about the Elwarp Staff and bring to light that Pelleas signed a Blood Pact; warps with Numida to the Gran Desert then warps away; and can warp across the stage in 4-E-1. Hetzel likewise warps to Tanas Manor and warps away. Izuka likewise warps around in 4-5. It's clear that warping in the FE series is a very powerful force... when it's in matters of the plot. Gameplay it's restricted in Range due to the Mag stat and having a Warp/Rescue Staff, but it's clear that when gameplay is not involved, warping can apparently make you appear anywhere everywhere, and even without a staff.

In the end though, we know the real reason why. Because this is still a game, and if the enemy were to just warp in and kill the protagonists while they don't expect it, we wouldn't have a game. This is why people who warp at will never do it to kill, or they do and fail... in a cutscene. Likewise if it's an enemy army that warps in, they do it in an area away from the protagonists, so that they can be alerted beforehand. One of the biggest cases of this is in RD's 4-1. The Silver Army were in a town, and the Disciples of Order warp... just outside the town. Yeah, outside, and not say, in the town itself to catch them unaware. Okay sure, Yune could alert them that they're coming in, but what difference does it makes if they were to warp in right in front of you... or right behind you for that matter? So yeah...

Edited July 26, 2013 by Acacia Sgt