shadykid Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) He breaks out of prison, and kidnap a character to(eventually) recruit them twice(IIRC Leif is the only Lord who recruited a character that he captured? I don't remember well), and his final conversation with Miranda is just.... legendary Not to mention, he ends up leading the strongest millitary in Jugdral, which means Leif could probably go Hardin on Jugdral.... and win 1 (holy weapon)/12, nice try Edited August 4, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) "After earning the highest military title of Great General, Glade was given the task of reorganizing the overgrown army. By transferring surplus members and introducing new weapons, he succeeded in creating one the most formidable elite forces on the continent. His hard work greatly helped the kingdom during the hard times of reconstruction." mis-reading on my part >_>. Although its worth to note that 1. HW is not as powerful in story, considering that someone who wield Book of Naga is killed by a random mooks 2. We get broken weapons in Thracia. Leif army has a more modern version of these kind of shit. Also If we can actually fought these army in a game, I would auto lose to Leif army because I would be too busy drooling over his Dragons, just saiyan Edited August 4, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerker Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I did neutral positive votes. Yes Yes Both ._. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Is it the Lord's typical heroic and charismatic trait that makes most of them "generic/bland" or is it that they aren't very well executed or likeable? I don't see a problem...Being reckless and hard-headed like Hector and Ike (not so much his case being reckless, though) doesn't sound like a great personality type, in my opinion. I feel that it's almost always executed too poorly and too often. The Ostia characters had a special charm that I've yet to experience in another FE. Leila, Matthew, Oswin, Hector, and Uther are some of my favorite characters in all of FE. Edited August 4, 2013 by Phoenix Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Is it the Lord's typical heroic and charismatic trait that makes most of them "generic/bland" or is it that they aren't very well executed or likeable? I don't see a problem...Being reckless and hard-headed like Hector and Ike (not so much his case being reckless, though) doesn't sound like a great personality type, in my opinion. Yep, it's execution. A heroic/charismatic lord by itself is not a good thing; see Chrom for an epic fail of this. When there's things that interact in interesting ways with their personalities, though, that's what makes them interesting. Seeing Sigurd go through catastrophe after catastrophe, Seth's epic ch16 speech about Ephraim and Renais + Ephraim's interactions and contrast with Lyon, and Eliwood killing his goddamn love interest is far, far more interesting than whatever stupid crap Roy, Chrom, or Celice does. That's why, say, Micaiah's initial marysue-ish personality doesn't bother me. She pretty much breaks down in part-3 due to being forced in a no-win situation, which makes for an interesting character. What does Cordelia have? Fuckall, that's what. Edited August 4, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) As of today, 8/4/13, Cordelia & Severa, according to polls, are liked AND hated equally. However, Severa won in terms of "Who's more likeable." Severa - 23 votes Cordelia - 20 votes Now... there has been a rivalry brewing up between Severa & Cynthia, and you can all thank Severa for being such a god damn jerk (no offense, sweetie, you is still my favorite.) Who's side are YOU on? or All thanks go to InvaderZM's "Cordelia vs. Tharja" topic, that has inspired the likes of many, or me. Edited August 5, 2013 by Carter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I'm searching for a fanart where Cynthia, Severa, Female!Morgan, Lucina, and Nah doing Ginyu Force Pose. So far I'm disappointed with the non-existent result. This is as close as I could find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomichael Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) What kind of question is the 3rd one? Of COURSE she shouldn't die. This is as close as I could find. HA! They're so chubby and fat. Edited August 5, 2013 by Tomichael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Cynthia > Severa, no contest. But Severa shouldn't die. She should at least get a good smack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Cynthia > Severa, no contest. But Severa shouldn't die. She should at least get a good smack. booooo Cynthia/Severa combo ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 booooo Cynthia/Severa combo ftw Yes, but it doesn't excuse the fact Severa needs to get smacked. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 Okay. Since people do not want Severa to die, she'll get a good smack instead. That's good for all of us, and especially me. I wouldn't want my daughter to just disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Yes, but it doesn't excuse the fact Severa needs to get smacked. :P whateverrrrr now who are these 5 people that don't like Cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 now who are these 5 people that don't like Cynthia People who hate fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahrivar Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) The third question should be: "Who deserves a good smack?". I think Cynthia once in a while. Edit: I voted yes in both former questions before you judge me. Edited August 5, 2013 by Assurhaddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 People who hate fun. Cynthia's great, but everyone has their haters. Such a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Cynthia wins automatically by not being Severa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 whateverrrrr now who are these 5 people that don't like Cynthia I just wanted to be that one dark raincloud. I honestly expected mine to be the only negative vote, so the other four surprised me greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkkfan Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Backstory: He lost his father, his mother, and his sister, so he escape to Talys in order to wait for the time for his revenge Sounds like FE8. In all seriousness, I've never really liked the way the whole revenge motivation played out with Eirika and Marth. Don't you think they'd be a bit more angry and vindictive about killing the people who destroyed their home and family? I don't really see any of that in the text. For Eirika, it can be written off as her being excessively compassionate, but for Marth it just comes across as bland. Is it the Lord's typical heroic and charismatic trait that makes most of them "generic/bland" or is it that they aren't very well executed or likeable? I don't see a problem...Being reckless and hard-headed like Hector and Ike (not so much his case being reckless, though) doesn't sound like a great personality type, in my opinion. Well, while reckless types like Hector aren't the greatest in terms of development, they are a lot more than Eliwood/Roy/Marth have going for them. I don't see a problem for Lord who is heroic and charismatic like Ephraim or Marth, or those who plays dirty like Leif either >_> Ephraim (like Ike) is one of my favorite characters and especially lords, but I have to admit that he isn't the most interesting character. But still, he has the whole "I never pick fights I can't win" thing going for him. Plus he doesn't look like a girl. Ok, I'm gonna stop derailing this topic now. On Topic: Then she gets right back to admitting that she was wrong and that she loves Cordelia because Cordelia is just so goddamned perfect that it would be blasphemous to have anyone in the game dislike her. Heil Cordelia This is a really good point (and the reason I voted Cynthia over Severa). Usually you only see this kind of taboo on admitting a character's flaws in the text in the case of the lords. For some reason the game likes to make Cordelia out as likable when she isn'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquakat Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I adore both Severa and Cynthia. However, there are instances where both can be grating (which is, admittedly one of the reasons I like them, more realistic). Severa's a tsundere; I don't think I need more details. Cynthia... while not as drastic/overbearing as Owain, the whole 'shouting out lines' and 'grand entrances' thing does make me want to shake her sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadeuscho Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Cynthia's a really fun character, with her bombastic attitude. It's a bit different than Owain's, in that Owain's is more about flash, while hers is more about heroism.Severa's has that closed off mentality that can come from trauma. In reviewing her for the death quotes thread, I think her detachment comes from her losing her mother. In every death quote, she mentions her mother.Both are great characters. They great thing about Awakening is that the characters have such contrasting personalities. Each personality is different from the others, so I can understand any of them being someone's favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceLeaf Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Ill recap my last statement about Severa, shes the character I love to hate. I hate her because of how rude she is to everyone in supports. Even when shes in battle, her voice shows that shes a brat. Sadly, I put up with her because shes a strong character. I actually really like the whole "being the hero" idea behind Cynthia. Shes willing to do whatever it takes to be one which strengthens her character imo. Her voice may be a tad annoying at times, but I found myself liking Cynthia more than most characters in the game. Oh and when your avatar marries her, you're her hero :D. She's not my favorite, but shes definitely up there with Lucina and Olivia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) One is a bitch. The other isn't. The answer is quite easy. Also, Sounds like FE8. In all seriousness, I've never really liked the way the whole revenge motivation played out with Eirika and Marth. Don't you think they'd be a bit more angry and vindictive about killing the people who destroyed their home and family? I don't really see any of that in the text. For Eirika, it can be written off as her being excessively compassionate, but for Marth it just comes across as bland. There's this dialogue piece that I really love from Shadow Dragon. I'd say that this piece alone gives Marth more characterisation than the likes of Roy or Seliph. Jagen:Look, sire. See how Altea shrinks on the horizon...Marth:..aven...Jagen:I beg your pardon?Marth:I am a craven. Powerless to save my sister, to staunch my kingdom's wounds; to ease my people's fears...Jagen:This...was your only recourse, sire. But surely, one day, you will be able to set things right...Marth:"Surely"? Why do words of such conviction smack so much of uncertainty when spoken? Not surely, Jagen. Assuredly. Gra will pay for their acts. Today, though, allow me to wallow in this pain, to feel every awful twist of it. I never want to forget.Jagen:Sire...Marth:I will return, Altea! Your prince will return to you one day! There are more pieces like this later on in the game. Edited August 5, 2013 by Ranger Jack Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shengar Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 People who hate fun. Sure it is. I mean, who could hate tokusenka posing wannabe genki girl that have beastly growth? This is as close as I could find. I have that one too, but the thing that I would like to have is Cynthia as the leader (with both Nah and Lucina look reluctanly do the pose). On Topic: This is a really good point (and the reason I voted Cynthia over Severa). Usually you only see this kind of taboo on admitting a character's flaws in the text in the case of the lords. For some reason the game likes to make Cordelia out as likable when she isn'. The question is, is it possible to write a tiered-support where one of the party criticize the other for their wrongdoing/flaw without either of them change themselves? In Cordelia/Severa case, it is pretty damned impossible for Cordelia to change her wrongdoing/flaw because it is exactly what makes her as a character. So the writer opt for the alternate route where Severa admits that her opinion is wrong, while her mother was right all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) The question is, is it possible to write a tiered-support where one of the party criticize the other for their wrongdoing/flaw without either of them change themselves? In Cordelia/Severa case, it is pretty damned impossible for Cordelia to change her wrongdoing/flaw because it is exactly what makes her as a character. So the writer opt for the alternate route where Severa admits that her opinion is wrong, while her mother was right all along. Uh, of course you can. The future Cordelia isn't (or at the very least, doesn't have to be) the exact same as the current one. Edited August 5, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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