Junkhead Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Tsunderes are overrated. If Severa didn't look cute, people wouldn't vote for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Tsunderes are overrated. If Severa didn't look cute, people wouldn't vote for her. Pretty much this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Tsunderes are overrated. If Severa didn't look cute, people wouldn't vote for her. But she does look cute so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Pretty much this. what I thought Severa was Cynthia's awesome sidekick in your game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginleif Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I like Cordelia more. She's caring, intelligent, strong, courageous, perfect. You know, when she's not freaking over Chrom. Severa's courageous, strong, sassy, and loveable too though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Neither to both. Probably the worst written and personality-wise characters in the game, next to Olivia. Yes, worse than the rest of the Gimmickening crew. Honestly the females in this game are far, far worse written than the males. Virion, Brady, Libra and maybe Gregor are all excellent characters, while on the female side we get uberscrubs like Cordelia, Severa and Olivia. Edited August 4, 2013 by Constable Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) what I thought Severa was Cynthia's awesome sidekick in your game She is. Doesn't mean she doesn't annoy me, though. :V Edited August 4, 2013 by Invader ZM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Neither to both. Probably the worst written and personality-wise characters in the game, next to Olivia. Yes, worse than the rest of the Gimmickening crew. Honestly the females in this game are far, far worse written than the males. Virion, Brady, Libra and maybe Gregor are all excellent characters, while on the female side we get uberscrubs like Cordelia, Severa and Olivia. Gregor on Maybe I am not amused >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 She is. Doesn't mean she doesn't annoy me, though. :V quick, need a version of your sig with Lucina next to Cynthia and Morgan/Severa on the other side j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Neither to both. Probably the worst written and personality-wise characters in the game, next to Olivia. Yes, worse than the rest of the Gimmickening crew. Honestly the females in this game are far, far worse written than the males. Virion, Brady, Libra and maybe Gregor are all excellent characters, while on the female side we get uberscrubs like Cordelia, Severa and Olivia. i love you no homo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkkfan Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Cordelia is possibly the worst written character in the series (maybe after Marth). I've gone on rants before so I'm just gonna summarize here. Cordelia's gimmick "being perfect" doesn't even apply to her at all. For all intents and purposes her gimmick is "overly obsessed with Chrom". And sure, the same thing is true of Tharja with Avatar but at least Tharja has a main personality/gimmick in addition to this whereas Cordelia just reveals how idiotic the writing sounds under certain marriage circumstances. Bottom Line: No character development is better than badly written characters and IS couldn't even get Cordelia's gimmick straight or consistent. Severa, on the other hand, I don't feel too strongly about. I voted "like" because of how unforgiving she is towards Cordelia. Honestly, Cordelia deserved it. Sorry PKL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 There's a ton more character who is worse written than Marth Even then Shadow Dragon Marth is a much better Lord than say....Chrom can ever hope to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shengar Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 quick, need a version of your sig with Lucina next to Cynthia and Morgan/Severa on the other side j/k I'm searching for a fanart where Cynthia, Severa, Female!Morgan, Lucina, and Nah doing Ginyu Force Pose. So far I'm disappointed with the non-existent result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkkfan Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) There's a ton more character who is worse written than Marth Even then Shadow Dragon Marth is a much better Lord than say....Chrom can ever hope to be Ehh... He's really not that much worse or more generic than say Eliwood/Roy/Chrom, but I guess it's the fact that he gets so many games and fails to have much development or backstory that really gets me. I mean Ike is kinda bland but at least he's badass and has a hell of a backstory. Edited August 4, 2013 by Walhart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Severa, on the other hand, I don't feel too strongly about. I voted "like" because of how unforgiving she is towards Cordelia. Honestly, Cordelia deserved it. Then she gets right back to admitting that she was wrong and that she loves Cordelia because Cordelia is just so goddamned perfect that it would be blasphemous to have anyone in the game dislike her. Heil Cordelia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Gregor on Maybe I am not amused >_> Gregor is king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocturnal YL Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Yes, yes, Severa. Detailed answer: Cordelia is likable for being, well, a nice person. She's good, and despite what others say, not perfect. She's not too arrogant about being good, but seems to want to hide her imperfect abilities (seen in supports with Kellam and Severa). I have to say her feeling towards Chrom was a big minus, especially factoring in how the game works. This may work in (mostly) fixed-ending games like FE6, FE10 or FE12, but not FE13 where almost everyone will eventually marry. (FE6 giving Roy six paired endings is pretty silly, speaking for myself. I still prefer fixed endings with only one possible pairing per character, for the sake of keeping the support writing consistent.) Severa is harsh, and an excessive spender. But even so, I find her points valid in her exchanges with other people. On top of that, she looks kind of adorable and is actually more useful as a unit. Unlike her mother, she doesn't fail at magic or resistance even with a non-magical father. Her power is reflected storywise too, in places like her support with Cordelia. She's not without things I don't like though, particularly her inferior complex compared to her mother. Comparing the two, Severa wins for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canto Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) I don't like most of Cordelia's supports. A lot of them (Kellam, Vaike, Gaius, Lon'qu, Stahl) fall under the same formula: C-A: Cordelia is a perfectionist and does perfectionist-y things. (i.e. correcting people, teaching people, tries to outdo other people, etc.) S: Guy laments that he's not Chrom but asks her to marry him anyways and she settles. Boring. And probably obnoxious for someone going through multiple playthroughs. The ones that don't, well. Robin/Cordelia is decent, and I usually don't like Avatar supports. At the very least, some focus went onto the whole survivor guilt thing. Also there's no Chrom reference. I like Gregor/Cordelia and Virion/Cordelia, but that's really more because Gregor and Virion are well-written characters than anything. Incidentally, I think only Robin and Gregor don't make the obligatory 'lol I'm not Chrom' in the S-support. Frederick/Cordelia and Donnel/Cordelia are the worst. C-support's not that bad and then it goes downhill from there. Libra/Cordelia is alright, but it's kind of strange contrasted to Ricken/Cordelia. Speaking of Ricken/Cordelia, I actually don't mind that one as much because the obligatory Chrom reference at the end feels less forced. Henry/Cordelia's actually kind of sweet... and then ruins it at the end with the Chrom reference. Kinda funny if you class-change him into Barbarian/Berserker/Warrior beforehand, though. Overall... from what I understand, she was pretty much written to be an expy of Catria, who was apparently pretty popular in Japan. As shown by the popularity polls, it clearly worked. But, I still find her bland and one-note. Also the whole complex about her flat chest just seems kinda shoehorned and unnecessary, but at least it's mostly only in the Scramble packs. Also, they really should've programmed her quotes to change after she got married. That's just lazy programming. Speaking of relationship tiles, though, one of her exchanges with Severa... Severa: Mother, since you have so many suitors, want to see which of us gets more men? Cordelia: All right. But don’t underestimate your mother. That kinda grossed me out. But, it's the 'training' dialogue, so it's probably meant to be a double meaning. A... very uncomfortable double meaning... It's still gross. I'll probably sum up my feelings about Severa in another post. Edited August 4, 2013 by Canto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Ehh... He's really not that much worse or more generic than say Eliwood/Roy/Chrom, but I guess it's the fact that he gets so many games and fails to have much development or backstory that really gets me. I mean Ike is kinda bland but at least he's badass and has a hell of a backstory. Backstory: He lost his father, his mother, and his sister, so he escape to Talys in order to wait for the time for his revenge Development: I think Shadow Dragon is the only game that manage to make him.... somewhat good in this regards, because FE12 Marth is definitely retconned to hell and death. On the bigger scale, the interesting part of Marth - Jeigan part of the duo is definitely on Jeigan side >_>. Thats quite good for a NES era character, especially when the dev team does not give a fuck for anyone who is not named Sheeda Edited August 4, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Cordelia is a talented combatant with a huge crush on a reasonably worthy emblem of royalty. Severa is an icy jerk who is rude to everyone because she got compared to her successful mom (little sister syndrome I call it). Cordelia fled and watched her comrades die in order to relay a life-Saving message to Chrom and Co. Severa watched her comrades die and decided to detach herself from emotion and forget everything she knew about decent social behavior. Cordelia died in order to keep her daughter alive Severa lives with rage because she refuses to acknowledge sacrifice as a good thing. Cordelia puts up a relationship wall because of her strong emotion towards a man she adores, but moves past it while not just magically forgetting her past affection (a very real emotion btw), and remains open about it to further her acceptance of her dream not becoming a reality. Severa, yea Cordelia > Severa any day Might be a little late to reply to you, but whatever.. Umm, Cordelia left because her comrades told her to leave and "preserve their legacy". She didn't leave them on purpose, but I see your point. Severa's only mad, because she loved Cordelia a LOT. And losing her mother made her extremely depressed (I'm guessing), causing her to be like this. Edited August 4, 2013 by Carter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Is it the Lord's typical heroic and charismatic trait that makes most of them "generic/bland" or is it that they aren't very well executed or likeable? I don't see a problem...Being reckless and hard-headed like Hector and Ike (not so much his case being reckless, though) doesn't sound like a great personality type, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I don't see a problem for Lord who is heroic and charismatic like Ephraim or Marth, or those who plays dirty like Leif either >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I don't remember a thing about FE5's plot. Tell me more about Leif's "tricks". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 He breaks out of prison, and kidnap a character to(eventually) recruit them twice(IIRC Leif is the only Lord who recruited a character that he captured? I don't remember well), and his final conversation with Miranda is just.... legendary Not to mention, he ends up leading the strongest millitary in Jugdral, which means Leif could probably go Hardin on Jugdral.... and win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I thought celice's army was stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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