Enex Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 and I'm not the only person who has been affected, i hope this problem is fixed http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/09/persona-videos-being-taken-off-youtube-by-russian-sketch-actress/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnef Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Oh god, that really sucks. D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 and I'm not the only person who has been affected, i hope this problem is fixed http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/09/persona-videos-being-taken-off-youtube-by-russian-sketch-actress/ Yikes, yeah I heard about that.. Hopefully it stops soon :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Wait your entire channel was suspended? That's most uncool. I've been subscribed for a while...this is depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monde Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Well i guess you could always be "Reborn" If you wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorin Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I was wondering why half of my likes and favorite were gone. That sucks. Hope they fix it soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I was really sad when I saw your channel was suspended. Now I can't find the fast version of conquest anywhere else =/. I want to know why this channel has the right to suspend every one that uploaded persona videos, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Gah, this sucks. No more listening to extended themes for one whole hour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKLucas531 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) This happened to me too. Thankfully no suspension, but I received 2 strikes and I'm bordering a 3rd (9/10 claims) According to neogaf, a russian user got in contact with her and she's repealed the claims(apparently it wasn't her?) The misunderstanding has to do with the name of her group having "Persona" in it, and somehow the claim went ahead and took down everything SMT related for some reason. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=672653&page=9 and on the AtlusUSA forums, a staff member said they've gotten in contact with YT to undo this mess already. They just said they don't know when YT will actually get around to fixing it. Edited September 9, 2013 by PKLucas531 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blyegg Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Damn D= No more Dont You Dare Mock My Sisters Words Piano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau of Isaac Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The state of copyrights in modern society is baffling to say the least. I mean what the fuck. Seriously. The rights given to ideas, audio, and video to copyright owners today is just monstrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKLucas531 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The state of copyrights in modern society is baffling to say the least. I mean what the fuck. Seriously. The rights given to ideas, audio, and video to copyright owners today is just monstrous. Moreso when you consider the fact that her group tried to file a copyright on the word "Persona" and got basically anything related to SMT taken down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fush Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 This whole case is reminding me of all the problems with patent trolls as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) This whole case is reminding me of all the problems with patent trolls as of late. Not nearly as bad, I think (nor does it strike me as quite so predatory), but that's a discussion for another place. Anyways, apparently Google actually has a very strict policy that such takedown requests can only be made by the copyright owner themselves (or their lawyers), so I'm rather surprised this got so far, since I imagine they would look into things a bit more thoroughly. I mean, YouTube is run by humans, so mistakes will be made, but this seems to be a pretty large mistake. If you believe your copyright-protected work was posted on YouTube without authorization, you may submit a copyright infringement notification. These requests should only be submitted by the copyright owner or an agent authorized to act on the owner’s behalf. http://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/copyright-complaint.html Edited September 10, 2013 by Euklyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Iirc there was a Shining Force situation almost identical to this one, maybe what, two years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiddo Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I mean, YouTube is run by humans, so mistakes will be made, but this seems to be a pretty large mistake. Correction: YouTube is run by bots. That's exactly why mistakes of this scale can happen. No human would've let this kind of blatant abuse of YouTube copyright claims fly. The problem is that YouTube is fixated on having copyrights run on algorithms and is terrible in regard to human relations and customer service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Correction: YouTube is run by bots. That's exactly why mistakes of this scale can happen. No human would've let this kind of blatant abuse of YouTube copyright claims fly. The problem is that YouTube is fixated on having copyrights run on algorithms and is terrible in regard to human relations and customer service. Nobody would be stupid enough to automate such a process, least of all a company as saturated with smart people as Google is. Humans would be the ones evaluating copyright claims, or at the very least rubber-stamping take-downs. And anything with a human involved will have errors in judgement, because humans are well known for making mistakes. And humans certainly review things like videos that have been flagged, or when someone receives a strike for a video that violates the Community Guidelines. I can't imagine that the copyright process would be automated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKLucas531 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Nobody would be stupid enough to automate such a process, least of all a company as saturated with smart people as Google is. Humans would be the ones evaluating copyright claims, or at the very least rubber-stamping take-downs. And anything with a human involved will have errors in judgement, because humans are well known for making mistakes. And humans certainly review things like videos that have been flagged, or when someone receives a strike for a video that violates the Community Guidelines. I can't imagine that the copyright process would be automated. It has to be automated, how else would games like Nocturne, Devil Survivor, etc. get taken down when they're loosely related to Persona(the "copyright" in question) at best? I don't think a human being would go, "Hmm, I better take down these 10 accounts" considering it happened in the span of one day. Those 2 links you provided are community guidelines. Those are used for stuff like racist content, explicit content(porn, nudity, etc) Copyright claims are an entirely different thing, and YT has been known to fire and forget even on false claims to mitigate the risk of lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ercdouken Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Wow, that really sucks! I hope they can resolve this problem soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarusu Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Thats bad. I lost cool songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 It has to be automated, how else would games like Nocturne, Devil Survivor, etc. get taken down when they're loosely related to Persona(the "copyright" in question) at best? I don't think a human being would go, "Hmm, I better take down these 10 accounts" considering it happened in the span of one day. Those 2 links you provided are community guidelines. Those are used for stuff like racist content, explicit content(porn, nudity, etc) Copyright claims are an entirely different thing, and YT has been known to fire and forget even on false claims to mitigate the risk of lawsuit. You obviously have a much higher opinion of humans than I do, but that's not even relevant, and I will explain why in a second. First of all, whether or not there's a human involved is immaterial, because there is no discretion involved, so I was *partially* wrong. Second of all, the only thing I've ever read about that was automated is the "Content ID" algorithm, which is something entirely different than the process in which a copyright claim is evaluated. In fact Google stays the hell out of legal trouble by following a very specific process; they are not in the business of deciding what does or does not fall under copyright, because then they're opening themselves to potential lawsuits. I will try to explain this process here to the best of my understanding: Person A uploads a video. Lawyer B sends Google a copyright claim that talks about that specific video. If Google gets a notice from a lawyer or other representative (in this case, Lawyer B), then they will take the content down, and give Person A a "strike" against their account. If Person A disagrees, they can file a "counter-claim". If Lawyer B takes no action within 2 weeks, then the video is put pack up and the "strike(s)" against Person A's account are removed. If Lawyer B does decide to take action, then they go to court with Person A (or settle out of court) - either way, Google isn't involved AT ALL, and the video remains down until the case is resolved. If Person A wins, then the video is put back up and the strikes are removed. I could be understanding the process wrong, so here's the link to the Electronic Frontier Foundation's page: https://www.eff.org/issues/intellectual-property/guide-to-youtube-removals I honestly don't see what Google could do differently in their process that doesn't open themselves up to lawsuits. I am willing to be persuaded, but you'll need a much better argument than "no human could be this dumb". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnef Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Since we're talking about copyright claims on videos, here's one not so off topic, but not about the persona thing: So one of my videos, which was a livestream of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX got a copyright claim for a song that I hadn't even heard of until I listened to it. Regardless, the livestream only had commentary and no sound in the backround at all, so there was no excuse for that claim to have been bad. :< And there is my mini rant. >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameAtAll Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 >Can't hear Merkabah's second phase battle theme due to this Fucking hell, so that's what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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