BBM Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share Posted December 4, 2013 Phase ends in like 14.5 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Kirsche, you're defending yourself with setupspec (again) and you're already displaying controversial information distribution wrt what SB announced in skype yesterday. I dunno how genuine your results can be viewed as when they don't match up. And you still haven't given an actual reason as to why you think I was panicking at a time when I unvoted, being as the info I had at thee time was: Sb is modcleared Modclear!sb recruited kirsche into his modclear faction Refa posted but didn't hammer me The motivation is obvious. I considered for a moment that with the info I saw, the guy who didn't hammer me was probably town, since the other two players were cleared inno. You're simply refusing to see justification in my actions, and you're trying to paint me as looking worse by bringing up an instance like that, which had sensible causation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 ##Vote: kirsche BIG PLAYSBIGGER THROWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I believe that's hammer. BBM will probably update whenever he's online again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 please never include a "town allied faction" that doesn't actually care about 80% of the town in any game ever again thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share Posted December 4, 2013 yeah that's game over can't get role PM flips until I get home in 3-4 hours but town + masons win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Nice job kirsche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I hope that's not sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) You did do quite well. The setup was effectively 10/2 with risk of scum crossfire and you made it to MYLO. Edited December 4, 2013 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I actually think this setup was anti-town sided, but the SKs made questionable fakeclaims (esp. Blitz) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Also scum couldn't actually crossfire. If they shot each other, the kills failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) I don't see how it was scum sided at all. Town lost a valuable PR every night and won, even with SB drawing every role onto himself N2 and not using his role to make clears because he was overly paranoid. I didn't even think my fakeclaim was that bad considering what I said about the risks of the first two nights results are very existant, although my D4 result was kinda meh. I should've just claimed vanilla and coasted though. Edited December 4, 2013 by kirsche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) Well, Blitz's fake was obvious and got him immediately lynched (granted he was under suspicion before that but still). Numbers claim Day 3 with obviously false numbers (8/3/1? Where is SB's role in this? With all the vanillas we have? Yeah no) Yours was questionable but should have also been lynched in short order except eclipse didn't tell anyone what I did N1 because she thought I went off and did my own thing instead of copping bear like I said I would or something? I'm not really a fan of what you claimed anyway because the information was too random. It's not a role I'd include in a game and not one I'd fake. Basically you guys both tried to provide information except both of you had to guess about what was going on to do so. Also you and Blitz could joint but you had no way to reliably find each other so w/e (it's not a thing that'd matter 99% of the time but it's totally unnecessary) Edited December 4, 2013 by Paperblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Lol did you actually say you were going to cop bear. See this is what I meant by risky, I only even made it through because of a fluke miscommunication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) eclipse: Cop bearclaw. I have no idea why he wasn't lynched yesterday (besides the fact that I wasn't around).me: I don't really think bear is scum but okay Later, I made this comment: I have determined Refa is Mafia Vanilla Cop thank me later Which I thought was obviously a joke since I provided no logs or explanation despite trusting eclipse's playerslot enough to claim my role, but apparently she didn't think so (BBM also mentioned she thought I had tried to vig Refa and got hooked or something). After that she didn't communicate any of this to SB once she got cult'd (fuck you it's not a mason) so he was left totally in the dark on what I'd done and had assumed I doc'd someone or something. edit: part of it is probably that at the time I thought "Mafia Vanilla Cop" sounded like an obviously fake joke role and then later realized it could be misinterpreted to be a role that inspects people and learns if they're vanillas EXCEPT THEN I WAS DEAD which is sort of silly but yeah I'd also harassed multiple people about being the cop but I'm gonna guess none of them told eclipse (although I think that like 2/3 of them were the SKs so fml) also I thought there was a Doc and that they'd probably be on me since I'd heard there was no cop (idr who told me, might have been Life?) and my role owned then there was no doc and I died tldr it's all eclipse's fault (double edit: this is facetious) Edited December 4, 2013 by Paperblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) We discussed there not being a cop or doc and I remember telling you I didn't think there was one. You definitely did not tell me you were cop. Edit: Also, what was the deal in telling me you only claimed if your role was active or passive? Edited December 4, 2013 by kirsche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 What was with those claims? Did BBM provide them, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) BBM gave us nothing. Not even the town wincon, I got that out of Kaoz. Edit: You know that "reaction test" which I did at the start of the game? The only reason I thought that was a good idea is because I knew that anti town didn't have it. Edit2: He gave us fake pigs to claim. Edited December 4, 2013 by kirsche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 We discussed there not being a cop or doc and I remember telling you I didn't think there was one. You definitely did not tell me you were cop. Edit: Also, what was the deal in telling me you only claimed if your role was active or passive? I told Life I was joat during D1 but not what I did and then he said something that made me think he was 99% town (I forget what it was though) and I claimed to eclipse when she subbed in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I hope that's not sarcastic. no srsly, that debate was the most fun I've had in mafia since school teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I don't see how it was scum sided at all. Town lost a valuable PR every night and won, even with SB drawing every role onto himself N2 and not using his role to make clears because he was overly paranoid. I went into the game assuming that there was a regular sized scumteam and didn't want to die. My paranoia actually kept me alive because otherwise I would have masoned you night 2 and lost. Basically my role couldn't be trusted to carry the town because I gained very little from actually using it (besides clearing myself to dodge the lynch) and there was a massive risk to it on me, especially if I'd died after getting a bunch of recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 probably because it didn't end in your lynch #owned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I think you could have made things easier on yourself if you had just culted N3 though. The risk of culting scum is just part of being cult, it's the same as Elie Nking over and over again in CYOR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 culting should just fail on scum (not in this game obv but in general) Cult having a 25% chance to just lose when using their night action is dum, you wouldn't include a Faction-Killing Bomb that kills the entire mafia if they nightkill him would you similarly, cults that can recruit mafia are also dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 i guess the problem is if cult leader lives after not recruiting scum, they'd know the person was obvious scum (although i guess if they claimed a guilty or w/e they'd doom the entire cult...although they could get some cult mook to out the results fuck if i know i should stop talking about mechanics i have no idea how work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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