Prims is Gay Mafia - Game Over

[Life]

In addition, I have yet to speak to Blitz, Refa and Polydeuces. Kindly contact me.

[MRDRHAWK]

In addition, I have yet to speak to Blitz, Refa and Polydeuces. Kindly contact me.

What's your Skype? You mentioned you'd prefer Skype over PM.

[charlie_]

Don't like Poly atm.

[14/11/2013 17:19:19] SB: how do you get a sense of waffling from bear

[14/11/2013 17:21:08] Poly: He started going on Refa, but then suddenly threw himself into a more defensive stance. He also didn't seem like he was overly sure of his own vote, even after he started going for legitimate reasons to keep it there.

[14/11/2013 17:28:50] SB: by "going on Refa" you mean voting him in RVS

[14/11/2013 17:29:08] Poly: and then hunting for reasons to keep it there

[14/11/2013 17:29:16] SB: people are gonna be unsure of reasons for RVS votes

[14/11/2013 17:29:19] Poly: seemed kind of odd for ED1

[14/11/2013 17:29:36] Poly: especially since half the thread still had yet to do anything significant

[14/11/2013 17:29:47] SB: he wasn't really grasping for reasons imo

[14/11/2013 17:30:02] Poly: eh, I felt like he was, especially for ED1

[14/11/2013 17:30:05] SB: just replying to refa's points

[14/11/2013 17:30:31] Poly: I probably just interpreted it differently; my mind is weird like that

[14/11/2013 17:30:47] SB: you're not really gonna expect someone to have super good reasons for scumreads ED1 though

[14/11/2013 17:31:19] Poly: still felt like he was a bit too focused on Refa for that point is all.

[14/11/2013 17:33:05] Poly: I mean, I'm not switching my vote to him yet obviously, but it's something I'm keeping my eye on.

[14/11/2013 17:33:59] SB: what else was he gonna focus on though? refa was talking about him so he responded

[14/11/2013 17:35:20] Poly: he could've just made a small response and left it.

[14/11/2013 17:35:47] Poly: I don't see the logic behind jumping into what I feel is a defensive stance over one question.

[14/11/2013 17:36:01] Poly: even though I did it in several other mafias before

[14/11/2013 17:36:29] SB: doesn't that mean townies can do it though

[14/11/2013 17:36:33] Poly: plus I've been talking to Refa OC and I'm pretty sure he's town

[14/11/2013 17:36:36] SB: kinda contradictory

[14/11/2013 17:36:47] Poly: so I'm sticking up for a townie

[14/11/2013 17:36:51] SB: refa's alignment /=/ bear's

[14/11/2013 17:37:24] Poly: I'm just keeping an eye on him, I'm not gonna go full out and go "ERMAHGERD BEAR = SCUM" obv.

[14/11/2013 17:37:42] Poly: just trying to draw some early conclusions

[14/11/2013 17:37:48] SB: not voting the person you actually suspect is kind of weird imo

[14/11/2013 17:38:11] Poly: again, not sure if he's scum or just making my usual mistakes

[14/11/2013 17:38:33] Poly: just keeping an eye on him in case there's anything else questionable

[14/11/2013 17:39:00] SB: hm

[14/11/2013 17:39:01] SB: right

[14/11/2013 17:39:18] Poly: aside from that, Baldrick told me something odd

[14/11/2013 17:39:42] Poly: he said he was Survivor and apparently BBM mentioned One-shot in his role PM

[14/11/2013 17:39:49] Poly: so he didn't have the town wincon

[14/11/2013 17:39:58] Poly: sooooooooooo

[14/11/2013 17:40:06] SB: baldrick claims survivor?

[14/11/2013 17:40:20] Poly: that's what he said in his role PM

[14/11/2013 17:40:28] Poly: *was in

[14/11/2013 17:40:36] SB: right

[14/11/2013 17:40:39] SB: thanks for that

[14/11/2013 17:40:52] Poly: I also talked to Eury, but nothing notable

[14/11/2013 17:41:27] SB: i've talked to life and refa

[14/11/2013 17:41:47] Poly: haven't heard from life yet, what'd he claim?

[14/11/2013 17:42:02] Poly: and did Refa claim for you?

[14/11/2013 17:42:23] SB: no claims here

[14/11/2013 17:42:32] Poly: hmm

[14/11/2013 17:42:43] SB: claim for claim isn't really a good tactic

[14/11/2013 17:42:47] Poly: cause Life said he was gonna claim to anyone he talked to

[14/11/2013 17:42:58] SB: i cant claim even if i wanted to

[14/11/2013 17:43:16] SB: role restriction

[14/11/2013 17:43:23] Poly: ah, I see

[14/11/2013 17:43:36] Poly: at least you have a role

[14/11/2013 17:43:46] Poly: I keep rolling vanilla in BBM games

[14/11/2013 17:30:31] Poly: I probably just interpreted it differently; my mind is weird like that

[14/11/2013 17:33:05] Poly: I mean, I'm not switching my vote to him yet obviously, but it's something I'm keeping my eye on.

[14/11/2013 17:37:24] Poly: I'm just keeping an eye on him, I'm not gonna go full out and go "ERMAHGERD BEAR = SCUM" obv.

[14/11/2013 17:38:11] Poly: again, not sure if he's scum or just making my usual mistakes

[14/11/2013 17:38:33] Poly: just keeping an eye on him in case there's anything else questionable

You don't need to say you're uncertain every five seconds. I don't like this lack of committal to your scumread, you're just sitting at the side and not tying yourself down to a vote. I also don't like how he's using his townread of Refa to justify a scumread on Bear. Not only could that read be wrong, but townies can vote for townies too, this doesn't tell you anything. Also the timing that he outed that Baldrick was a Survivor was kind of fishy to me too, as if it was to try and divert my attention to someone else to ease up the pressure on him.

##Unvote

##Vote: Polydeuces

[Da Bear]

I find it odd how in that convo Poly says I'm waffling then proceeds to waffle on me.

[BBM]

VOTALS

Refa (1): Bearclaw

Shinori (2): Eurykins, Kirsche

Paperblade (1): Kay

Kay (1): Paperblade

Bearclaw (1): Refa

Baldrick (1): Polydeuces

Kirsche (2): Shinori, Baldrick

Polydeuces (1): SB

Not Voting (2): Life, Blitz

5 to lynch at deadline, 7 to hammer, something like 26 hours and 11 minutes left. I know I said I'd post phase end times in GMT. I lied; that's too much effort.

Edited November 16, 2013 by BigBadMarshmallow

[Life]

So I currently have an idea for a lynch on D1 but I'm still holding off since I'm waiting for a little more info.

On a side note, if I catch anyone lying to me, even someone who IS innocent, they will be lynched immediately. I don't give a shit if you're hiding a more important role so that you don't get killed ASAP. Lying to me tells me that I can't trust you and that anything you say may also be a lie.

[Baldrick]

Cut by Life. Unless the plan is for you to be the shepherd, we'll need time to discuss that lynch. In particular phase end is 5am for me so I have a more limited window.

Talking in private is nice but we're running out of time.

Kirsche > poly > bear = refa

Didn't explain it properly when I voted, but kirsche was pursuing a case that had pretty much no logical basis, and a reaction test that's really unlikely to work. It makes you look busy without actually helping town or providing meaningful interaction.

Poly I agree with what SB said. His vote timing, right after SB laid his down, considering he was the one that informed SB. His opinion of the shinori/kirsche interaction was sitting on the fence; he thought the test was stupid, but Shinori didn't exactly pass it.

The more I read their interaction the less I like it. Refa was actually the one who got defensive first in 58; whereas bear has been too quiet for my liking and ignored my message.

[Refa]

##Unvote

##Vote: Baldrick

Apparently he claimed Survivor. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

I'd get in on that group chat, but I have to leave for class soon. Before I do, though:

##Unvote

##Vote: Baldrick

same reasons as SB, only I can verify his "apparently".

I don't like these votes, they just seem a little too...easy. Like, the only benefit I can see to claiming Survivor is to make sure scum don't shoot him D1, and even that's a stretch. The fact that you believed him so easily is troubling. Additionally, it's kind of a copout to be voting for a supposed Survivor this early on in lieu of scumhunting.

[2:36:54 PM] SB: damn how did you figure out that kirsche and i are buddies

[2:39:54 PM] Shinori: Ilu too.

[2:40:03 PM] Shinori: Why are you so annoying with the bad logics.

Is this supposed to be like a "Let's gang up on the shino" game?

You two seem to be really trustworthy of each other really quickly.

Can you explain the context of this?

Also the timing that he outed that Baldrick was a Survivor was kind of fishy to me too, as if it was to try and divert my attention to someone else to ease up the pressure on him.

##Unvote

##Vote: Polydeuces

That's some absurd reasoning. Firstly, Poly wasn't under any pressure at the time. And even if he was, how would outing survivor get any pressure off of him? Secondly, outing Survivor isn't a very scummy thing to do, since if played properly Survivor can get scum to LYLO that much faster; at worst, it's a null tell. And finally, why didn't you bring up these suspicions at the time if they bothered you?

I find it odd how in that convo Poly says I'm waffling then proceeds to waffle on me.

This is something he has done before as town.

In general, I don't like how many RVS votes there are still hanging. From my understanding, the people guilty of this are Eurykins, Kay, Paperblade, and bearclaw. The ones which strike me as the most suspicious are Eurykins and bearclaw, as they have clearly been posting and available to get reads. bearclaw just hasn't been doing much at all, while Eurykins is posting a lot of things but isn't really doing much scumhunting. In addition, gut feeling about SB that's bothering me. Will check up on these ISO's, maybe some OC chat, and rearrange my lynch priority if needed.

[Refa]

Poly I agree with what SB said. His vote timing, right after SB laid his down, considering he was the one that informed SB.

This is bad reasoning. Just because SB laid down his vote first, doesn't mean Poly's timing was bad. In fact, SB's reasoning had nothing to do with the vote timing, he was referring to the time Poly outed Baldrick's supposed role.

[Baldrick]

That was actually a separate point to what SB was saying. If poly thought me worthy of a vote, then he should have voted me first. If he's only voting because BBM is, then I wonder what's the point. It doesn't really matter if I have 1 vote or 2 for that reason, and he's leaving his suspects alone to vote me

[Life]

So I'm back and I'm here to lead.

For those of you who are suspicious of me to the point that you'd rather hinder the town, shame on you. If we lose because of your pettiness, I hope you feel stupid since that's what you are.

Now, down to today's vote.

As of right now, we have 6/12 claims for Vanilla villager. Myself and five others. Unfortunately, I can't clear myself to you all without exposing the Cop on Day 2 (something I would really like to avoid doing entirely) but I'm asking for trust since I completely expect to die N1 if the BG doesn't protect me.

Back to these claims. 6/12 claims are in for N/A. I could out the other five people but that's pretty much giving the mafia a lot more info about where our power roles sit. So rather than that, I'm going to show my two suspects and why I don't trust them.

Polydeuces is pretty much the idiot of this game. He's prone to having lose lips (essentially passing around Baldrick's claim of Survivor the first second he got) and enough people think he's suspicious. Then again, we can always chalk this up to him having an IQ similar to a gibbon.

Bearclaw is my other suspect. He gave me his role and ran off just like that. No talking, no suspicion. Just straight up sheep. It's far too easy to claim Vanilla as a mafia member and not do anything. It's like flying under the radar. I don't like it whatsoever.

Those are my two suspects. Feel free to lynch either of them since neither are doing anything positive for the town and I'm 100% certain that at least one of them is Mafia. My own personal vote will be ##Vote: Polydeuces.

7 votes to hammer, people.

[Refa]

TOWN

Refa

Kirsche

Shinori

Polydeuces

Baldrick

Life

Kay

Blitz

SB

Paperblade

Eurykins

Bearclaw

To clarify on my reads a bit, Kirsche and Shinori are equal, and their interactions seem genuine and I'm not getting any scum intent from either of them at present. Polydeuces is so high because I feel he does a lot of things that aren't obviously pro town and gets easily mislynched for it, and gut read and all that. Baldrick and Life are lower on the spectrum because while they've acted in a pro town manner (still not sure what to think of Life's claiming thing, although in the end I did go for it), I just find that they're harder to read people in general. Kay and Blitz haven't posted enough for me to get enough content on them. Talked with SB on OC, and I'm less bothered by him as a whole. Paper has posted, but hasn't really done a lot, however I get the impression he's doing a lot of OC chatting (if people can help me confirm this, that would be nice), which is why he's a null read. Eurykins doesn't really have any definite reads, which bothers me, but at least she's laid something out on the table, so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Bearclaw on the other hand, not so much. OK, even if you don't side with me on our RVS vote tangle, you can't disagree with the fact that he's basically been lurking ever since. I feel like as scum he's more inclined to be lazy whereas he's put much more effort scumhunting as town, even when under pressure.

[Baldrick]

Ok I've already said my thoughts on those two.

I don't disagree on Refa's meta reasoning on Polydeuces, though it doesn't make me think he's town. My vote would do more good elsewhere IMO.

##vote: bearclaw

[Da Bear]

Bearclaw is my other suspect. He gave me his role and ran off just like that. No talking, no suspicion. Just straight up sheep. It's far too easy to claim Vanilla as a mafia member and not do anything. It's like flying under the radar. I don't like it whatsoever.

I sent you a pm and never got an answer (if I did then idk what happened there). What was I supposed to do there.

Bearclaw on the other hand, not so much. OK, even if you don't side with me on our RVS vote tangle, you can't disagree with the fact that he's basically been lurking ever since. I feel like as scum he's more inclined to be lazy whereas he's put much more effort scumhunting as town, even when under pressure.

Apparently being busy now is the same thing as lurking. Nice job jumping to assumptions to aid your scumread.

[MRDRHAWK]

Okay, so I've done some reading and then re-reading of Kirsche/Shinori's interaction, and I'm really not liking Shinori right now. His reaction really isn't endearing him to me, and I don't see anything else to convince me otherwise.

##Unvote

##Vote: Shinori

Still need to speak to Life, if he still feels needs to do so, but I'm unable to get on Skype right now, so it'll have to be through other means. Hope that works for you.

I'm also not that big of a fan of Refa's reasoning as to Bear's scumminess, since most of us have been lurking the thread due to focusing on the OC aspect, but it does work well since Life's apparently backing that notion, and those two currently represent my strongest town reads.

Eury's not really pinging me on anything in particular, but most of the relevant OC content I've had with her has been moreso discussing me and my content as opposed to her own, which is kinda... eh. There's better options out there, though.

[Shinori]

Meant to do this yesterday.

Has Poly spoken to you?

[11/15/2013 10:00:14 PM] Shinori: No.

[11/15/2013 10:00:21 PM] Shinori: Oh I'm not on IRC at the moment

[11/15/2013 10:00:22 PM] Shinori: ;/

[11/15/2013 10:00:26 PM] Shinori: Forgot my thing restarted

[11/15/2013 10:00:29 PM] Eury: It's fine. Lol.

[11/15/2013 10:00:42 PM] Eury: Like, have you spoken to him at all since the OC started or no?

[11/15/2013 10:00:49 PM] Shinori: No.

[11/15/2013 10:00:57 PM] Eury: Hm. Alright.

[11/15/2013 10:01:20 PM] Shinori: You?

[11/15/2013 10:01:28 PM] Eury: Yes, I have.

[11/15/2013 10:01:38 PM] Eury: He was one of the first people I poked, actually.

[11/15/2013 10:02:04 PM] Shinori: What did you think of your conversation with him?

[11/15/2013 10:02:09 PM] Eury: Weird.

[11/15/2013 10:02:14 PM] Eury: His opening comment was weird to me.

[11/15/2013 10:03:10 PM] Eury: And some of his actions in themselves also look weird to me. Idk. Not liking the feeling from him.

oh

[11/15/2013 11:43:31 PM] Shinori: SORRY

[11/15/2013 11:43:38 PM] Shinori: I missed the comments

[11/15/2013 11:44:29 PM] Shinori: His opening comment when he talked to you was weird?

[11/15/2013 11:44:42 PM] Shinori: How so? I don't think I've seen much from him.

[2:54:00 AM] Eury: LOL.

[2:54:03 AM] Eury: GG, scrub.

[2:54:31 AM] Shinori: wat

[2:54:42 AM] Eury: Missing the comments, lol

[2:54:48 AM] Eury: Anyways, you haven't seen much from him?

[2:54:53 AM] Eury: *You haven't spoken to him?

[2:55:18 AM] Shinori: Nope, not at all.

[2:55:26 AM] Eury: I see.

[2:55:44 AM] Eury: What's your read/impression of him, of what you've seen/heard from him?

[2:57:09 AM] Shinori: I think his waffleness that was posted in the log with SB looks really bad.

[2:57:23 AM] Shinori: But I also don't like SB all too much so that partially affects my read on him

[2:58:24 AM] Eury: Ah, I see.

[2:58:33 AM] Eury: Makes sense.

And as for what I mentioned earlier:

[3:02:23 AM] Eury: When I first poked him, I commented on how it was my first OC, and not sure what to do, etc.

[3:02:31 AM] Eury: And his reply was: "tbh, I was just gonna skip that aspect and just try to coast through without getting mislynched"

[3:02:42 AM] Eury: Which kinda confused me a bit.

[3:02:44 AM] Shinori: Looooooool

[3:02:49 AM] Shinori: You should post that log

[3:02:54 AM] Shinori: That sounds really bad.

[3:02:58 AM] Shinori: but idk if thats just

[3:03:00 AM] Shinori: really lazy town

[3:03:01 AM] Shinori: or scum

[3:03:55 AM] Eury: I just thought it felt weird to me, like, "HEY, IT'S AN OC THREAD, BUT GONNA TREAT IT LIKE AN NOC, EVEN IF THE PLAYSTYLE'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! LOLZ"

[Baldrick]

I cannot proper voting format

##unvote

##vote: bearclaw

Kay don't go into weekend mode yet!

[BBM]

VOTALS

Refa (1): Bearclaw

Shinori (3): Eurykins, Kirsche, Polydeuces

Paperblade (1): Kay

Kay (1): Paperblade

Bearclaw (2): Refa, Baldrick

Kirsche (1): Shinori

Polydeuces (2): SB, Life

Not Voting (1): Blitz

5 to lynch at deadline, 7 to hammer, something like 11 hours and 11 minutes left. There's also this handy thing.

[Zkirsche]

Poly why did you suddenly get a scumread on Shinori when my log was up for almost 24 hours?

[BBM]

Just a reminder to people, also, to post logs of Skype/IRC conversations in their PM, since not everyone is doing so.

[Zkirsche]

Gah I feel like if Poly was scum he'd try to push bear and not Shinori. The former being easier to mislynch.

##Unvote

##Vote:bearclaw

You can't really say you're busy if you're posting in CYOR still dude. What do you make of Refa recently?

[charlie_]

There's a chance of them being scum/scum, in which case he would push for a third option. Not happy with Bear's coasting though, and I don't really have anything at all about him in OC. If people are happy with a Bear lynch I'll switch my vote to him before I go to sleep tonight.

[MRDRHAWK]

Poly why did you suddenly get a scumread on Shinori when my log was up for almost 24 hours?

I only kinda skimmed it when I first saw it, then went back and read it in more detail, and that's when Shinori started pinging me.

[Refa]

Okay, so I've done some reading and then re-reading of Kirsche/Shinori's interaction, and I'm really not liking Shinori right now. His reaction really isn't endearing him to me, and I don't see anything else to convince me otherwise.

##Unvote

##Vote: Shinori

What exactly bothered you about his reaction?

[MRDRHAWK]

Sorry, my internet shit all over itself for some reason.

Shinori's response pinged me primarily due to the fact that he more or less hand-waved Kirsche's asking him what the town wincon was, by saying "oh well everyone should know it by now". If it was that obvious, why not just say it in the first place? It made him look suspicious IMO, and he jumps into a defensive stance the moment Kirsche calls him on this later in the log.

THEN, he goes back and forth on whether or not he wants Kirsche to fish for scum by asking for the town wincon, because... well, who knows? Could be poor logic, could be scumslip; I suspect it's the latter. He keeps going back and forth in that log, and never really sticks to one point aside from being pissy that Kirsche is tripping him up.

Going back, one other thing about that exchange caught my attention: Shinori randomly throwing out Life as possible scum. Suspecting Life of being scum when he's trying organize town seems sketchy, IMO, since he never really gives a reason why he feels that it's scummy play, which just makes it seem like he's trying to throw suspicion off of himself. In addition, it comes out of butt-fuck nowhere, which just makes it look worse because there's zero cause to even mention Life at that point.