N7隊長ジョン Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Havarti, myself. Cool.. Well I don't have much else to talk about besides grief and malice, so... i guess i'll be going now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousSpeed Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Cool.. Well I don't have much else to talk about besides grief and malice, so... i guess i'll be going now. Oh...well, sorry. I hope your life gets less malicy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokone Kirino Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I agree about religion, but I personally think that everyone should leave other's political opinion alone. Religious beliefs are personal, but political views affect society since every citizen in a democracy can vote. There's some political point of views I find can be dangerous for the rest of the nation if it's shared by too many. Science cannot prove anything. It cannot prove that something exists or that it doesn't exist. Science can only offer the most plausible explanation that can be tested with the tools it has. True, but scientific consensus still can be taken as factual. Gravity isn't necessarily true, perhaps someday someone will jump in the air and not return to earth. That however is tremendously unlikely. Empirical evidence supported gravity theory since the beginning of the world, and it would be silly to assume that one case will go against it. While science is indeed searching for the most plausible explanations and not truths, theories that exist since hundreds if years might as well be considered factual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7隊長ジョン Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Oh...well, sorry. I hope your life gets less malicy. It will in one of two ways, though the more desirable one has a 90% chance of not happening, so yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxSpes Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Havarti, myself. ...what if it's a monarchy? So...the Vatican, basically. I think you can only prove something, and to universally disprove something is technically possible due to the incomprehensible scope of the universe. In a monarchy, you're better to keep those opinion to yourself, though it can be necessary to share them if the power in place commits abuse and you need to create a shift in mentality. Science cannot prove that something exists. It cannot prove that gravity exist. It can say that the fact that things fall is best explained by the fact that they're attracted to the Earth, but they cannot prove that it's 100% that, just that it's the most likely explanation. In the same logic, you cannot disprove something, since new tools or new data might later contradict it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokone Kirino Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Veryfying is impossible. If you verify something in science, it means that the chances of the hypothesis being true rise. If one single case goes against the theory, it is factually wrong and disproven. Disproving is normally possible, veryfing however is never objective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKLucas531 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koneko Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 oh my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's all about the power of inference, baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokone Kirino Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 In a monarchy, you're better to keep those opinion to yourself, though it can be necessary to share them if the power in place commits abuse and you need to create a shift in mentality. In the same logic, you cannot disprove something, since new tools or new data might later contradict it. Wrong, if one single case goes against a theory, then said theory is wrong, as it couldn't exactly predict the outcome of something. As said, disproving is not impossible in normal matters (religious stuff is something else), whereas veryfing is. If 99 cases go according to a theory, but one doesn't, then said theory is absolutely wrong, and must be modified Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousSpeed Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It will in one of two ways, though the more desirable one has a 90% chance of not happening, so yeah. Hey, a 10% chance of winning the lottery is pretty good, I'd say. In a monarchy, you're better to keep those opinion to yourself, though it can be necessary to share them if the power in place commits abuse and you need to create a shift in mentality. Science cannot prove that something exists. It cannot prove that gravity exist. It can say that the fact that things fall is best explained by the fact that they're attracted to the Earth, but they cannot prove that it's 100% that, just that it's the most likely explanation. In the same logic, you cannot disprove something, since new tools or new data might later contradict it. Yeah...hm...wow, this is complicated. I thought gravity was proven, through math and such, or at least that it worked in out solar system. Veryfying is impossible. If you verify something in science, it means that the chances of the hypothesis being true rise. If one single case goes against the theory, it is factually wrong and disproven. Disproving is normally possible, veryfing however is never objective Oh...dang, I like objectivity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadFighter Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Somethings can be proved with science while others can't. Like aliens for example. In a universe as large as ours, is there really nothing else? It's a matter of logic and science, even though verification may lag until the necessary conditions are met. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousSpeed Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Wrong, if one single case goes against a theory, then said theory is wrong, as it couldn't exactly predict the outcome of something. As said, disproving is not impossible in normal matters (religious stuff is something else), whereas veryfing is. If 99 cases go according to a theory, but one doesn't, then said theory is absolutely wrong, and must be modified The one odd case must have something which differentiated itself from the other cases, and that exception must be noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7隊長ジョン Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Hey, a 10% chance of winning the lottery is pretty good, I'd say. ha i suppose so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousSpeed Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Somethings can be proved with science while others can't. Like aliens for example. In a universe as large as ours, is there really nothing else? It's a matter of logic and science, even though verification may lag until the necessary conditions are met. Well, I believe alien bacteria or some such things have been found, but complex alien life in unknown parts of the universe can only be speculated about until there is proof of their existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousSpeed Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 ha i suppose so... I mean, hundreds of time better than most people. Infinitely better than me, since I don't buy lottery tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yeah...hm...wow, this is complicated. I thought gravity was proven, through math and such, or at least that it worked in out solar system.We have a theory of gravity that has been proven to explain most observed phenomenon extremely well, however there are fringe cases where it is still incomplete, and further investigation is underway. cf gravity waves, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadFighter Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Well, I believe alien bacteria or some such things have been found, but complex alien life in unknown parts of the universe can only be speculated about until there is proof of their existence.True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendor Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 HI JOHN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koneko Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Oh Bal, would you happen to have any other vn recommendations? o: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokone Kirino Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Somethings can be proved with science while others can't. Like aliens for example. In a universe as large as ours, is there really nothing else? It's a matter of logic and science, even though verification may lag until the necessary conditions are met. Those are again other matters entirely. If you find life outside of our solar system, then said existence is irreversibly proven. In otherwordly matters it is the opposite of scientific ones. You can prove something if you see it, but you can't disprove something like aliens because there are still parts in the universe to search for. I was strictly talking about scientific theories and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7隊長ジョン Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 I mean, hundreds of time better than most people. Infinitely better than me, since I don't buy lottery tickets. If only I was talking about the simple lotttery... HI JOHN hehe Hi Brendor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokone Kirino Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The one odd case must have something which differentiated itself from the other cases, and that exception must be noted. Not if you make an experiment multiple times in the EXACT same way. If you have a theory about something, and one case goes against it without any noteable differences in the method of the experiment, then by extension it must be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Oh Bal, would you happen to have any other vn recommendations? o:I would indeed. Aoishiro, was quite enjoyable. It has oodles and oodles of bad ends, which makes your choices actually have impact, and I find navigating life and death to be quite fulfilling. Also, it's got a female protagonist, and a pretty well-knit story. There are several other titles set in the same universe as Ever17, which while I've not yet read, I've heard are quite good as well, Remember11, Never7, etc. You should check out Hotel Dusk and The Last Windo (for DS) if you haven't already. Hmmm... trying to think of some more that are free from sexual content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokone Kirino Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 About gravity: I do take gravity as factual, simply because it has never been proven wrong in hundreds of years. There are parts that have yet to be adequately explained, but there hasn't beem sn utter contradiction before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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