Arch Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Nope. Called it before I'd even played it. Awakening is the game that sold the series' its soul for popularity. Edited April 1, 2014 by Arch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFreshestSlice Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Way better than Chrom x Female Avatar, I can give it that much. Not that I care much for this support in anyway beyond making the game incredibly easier than it already was, what I had inserted these words here: Way better than Frederick x Female Avatar Tbh, don't really care for Chrom in any capacity in any of his support lines, but that's just me. Don't know if i would ever think of Sumia being in any support with him other than getting Chrom!Cynthia. Not that any of this has anything to do with this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Okay, I hope you didn't just post that to annoy me. :/ This isn't a shipping war thread. Edited April 1, 2014 by Anacybele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSilver Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Better than most that only know English. wow thanks :D This really made my day ( or night) :"D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Nope. Called it before I'd even played it. Awakening is the game that sold the series' its soul for popularity. Yes, you called it Sir Overtroll. Edited April 1, 2014 by shadowofchaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFreshestSlice Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Okay, I hope you didn't just post that to annoy me. :/ This isn't a shipping war thread. No offense, but you, or anyone else here I don't know, are hardly worth the effort of annoying. My point is, we can go back in forth exchanging opinions all day. What does it really mean my insulting arbitrary video game pairings.(I for one agree, but that hardly has anything to do with the topic.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) that hardly has anything to do with the topic Oh, actually I disagree. The topic is on "opinion of Awakening" and how it has changed or not changed. For some people pairings are super duper serious and affect their opinion of the game. ...to a ridiculous amount I might add. Discussions of how people see pairings as detrimental or adding to the game's value is perfectly valid. It's also a chance to ridicule certain members here from taking said pairings so damn seriously. Edited April 1, 2014 by shadowofchaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moira Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 This isn't a shipping war thread. Thats what you'd like to believe just wait..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 It's an FE13 forum. All threads are shipping wars threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) It's an FE13 forum. All threads are shipping wars threads. Didn't you see the announcement? It's FE14 now. Granted, I admittedly hate this particular forum. In regards to the shipping, the western fanbase seems to have taken the initial shipping explosion from Japan because of MaMU and FeMU being able to marry anyone (besides each other) and turned it up 10x over. I'd honestly say that joke strikethrough statement of yours is accurate enough to a scary degree. Edited April 1, 2014 by shadowofchaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Okay, okay... Geez. You don't need to be so harsh. Obviously i do, otherwise you wouldnt get the message. *folds arms* JAPANESE IS SUPERIOR Yeah actually nah. I think im going to stick with the English supports and think of them as what they are. I dont see any issue with the pie and i think Chrom would be a total dumbass to pass up that much pie. Deal with it. You wanna canonize the Japanese S Support, fucking go for it. I dont see how its superior. Yes, im liking something you dont like. Nope. Called it before I'd even played it. Awakening is the game that sold the series' its soul for popularity. Oh you devil! Edited April 1, 2014 by Loki Laufeyson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 No offense, but you, or anyone else here I don't know, are hardly worth the effort of annoying. My point is, we can go back in forth exchanging opinions all day. What does it really mean my insulting arbitrary video game pairings.(I for one agree, but that hardly has anything to do with the topic.) Oh, now I see. My mistake for misunderstanding, I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFreshestSlice Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I wish Google Translate actually worked so I could understand any of this conversation about localization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM ME MARIANNE ART Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Yeah my opinion has changed. I used to like it, and now I think it's okay. But that come naturally once you play the other, superior games in the series. [spoiler=Very minor but I'm not risking it, related to FE4]Now I see it as kind of a failed attempt at FE4's gen system without any death or sadness. Edited April 1, 2014 by Duck the Brave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The second generation lacks any meaningfulness behind it. In FE4, legacy, inheritance, bloodlines, mistakes of the past, revenge by proxy and feuding bloodlines played a huge role in not just the main story but also the backstory. In FE13, the second generation has no purpose. None of the kids aside from Lucina are important in any way and this is evident since you can only recruit them in sidestories that are not critical to the main story. It's like I've been saying about Awakening for a while. Sure, it brings together many of the iconic features from each game but it fails to understand why those features became iconic in the first place. They just lack any soul, you could say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-Mike Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) No, my verdict is final and it shall stay final. Opinions can and should change, but not this quickly and drastically. I really have trouble trusting people who keep changing their opinions on a whim like that. Edited April 1, 2014 by Ike-Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapistier Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 No, my verdict is final and it shall stay final. Opinions can and should change, but not this quickly and drastically. I really have trouble trusting people who keep changing their opinions on a whim like that. While I agree that a decent percentage of it is probably hype backlash, there are plenty of people whose opinions can change as they get more experience with something. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that once the initial excitement died down and they played Awakening again, there were plenty of veterans (and even non-veterans) who realized the game was, in their opinion, not as good as they'd first thought it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-Mike Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 It took me 10 years to actually like MGS2, I think it's unreasonable to switch opinions after just under one year. Unless they can make a several paragraph-long essay about why such an opinion change is warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roivann Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) It took me 10 years to actually like MGS2, I think it's unreasonable to switch opinions after just under one year. Unless they can make a several paragraph-long essay about why such an opinion change is warranted. While I admire your tenacity, I have to disagree. The majority of people are able to form educated opinions, and change them, over the course of a year. In the case of Awakening, I feel that many people dived right into the game, and didn't stop to really analyze the details of it. Upon actually reading into the game and thinking about it seriously, it falls apart. That's probably what happened to quite a few of us here, myself included. Thus, opinions change. Maybe not from a distinct change in attitude or mindset in relation to the game, but it is still a change in opinion nonetheless. Also, MGS2 has a good (or, depending on who you ask, mediocre) narrative, hampered by iffy storytelling and writing, compared to Awakening's lukewarm narrative all around. The Metal Gear series, especially the Metal Gear Solid series, takes a while to get into, in terms of narrative, much longer than a Fire Emblem narrative (and a weaker FE narrative, at that). Edited April 1, 2014 by Rollertoaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 It took me 10 years to actually like MGS2, I think it's unreasonable to switch opinions after just under one year. Unless they can make a several paragraph-long essay about why such an opinion change is warranted. I feel the exact opposite. All it takes is a second or third closer look at anything to for an opinion to either change or settle. Taking 10 years is unreasonable. And no, you don't have to write paragraphs (which I and pretty much every vocal person who disliked Awakening did) to justify a change in opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-Mike Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Once again, I really hate when people change opinions all of a sudden. I should change my opinion tomorrow. No, I'm changing it back a few hours later! No, actually, I've changed my opinion about changing opinions on a whim, maybe they're great after all. Changing your opinion on short notice without giving an elaborate justification makes you look silly and non-serious. Also I wrote several hundred paragraphs about why I like Awakening. Where is my feedback on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Once again, I really hate when people change opinions all of a sudden. I should change my opinion tomorrow. No, I'm changing it back a few hours later! No, actually, I've changed my opinion about changing opinions on a whim, maybe they're great after all. Changing your opinion on short notice without giving an elaborate justification makes you look silly and non-serious. Also I wrote several hundred paragraphs about why I like Awakening. Where is my feedback on that? "I should change my opinion next decade. No, I'm changing it back a few years later! No, actually, I've changed my opinion about changing opinions on a whim, maybe they're great after all." It's the same thing Your problem seems to be not with people changing opinions but people who go back and forth on their opinions which has not happened with Awakening. As far as opinion changes go it's either dislike->like or like->dislike on the game as a whole. There is nothing wrong with changing an opinion, be it in a day or a year or 10 years. Especially since 1 year is a pretty damn long time. So stop complaining about people changing their opinions. Where are you seeing these people who keep changing their opinions on Awakening? I sure don't. It's pretty much one change be it gradual or sudden and again, I don't see what's so horrible about that. You're basically complaining about something that isn't even happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-Mike Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I should change my opinion tomorrow. No, I'm changing it back a few hours later! No, actually, I've changed my opinion about changing opinions on a whim, maybe they're great after all. I should change my opinion next decade. No, I'm changing it back a few years later! No, actually, I've changed my opinion about changing opinions on a whim, maybe they're great after all. Now which one sounds more like that the person actually means it? I have a grudge with people quickly changing opinions exactly because it has the seriousness of someone flip-flopping, and gives off the impression it's going to change as quickly as it was the first time around. You are right though that I value consistency above all. I even have some seriousness towards assholes if they're consistently an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Now which one sounds more like that the person actually means it? I have a grudge with people quickly changing opinions exactly because it has the seriousness of someone flip-flopping, and gives off the impression it's going to change as quickly as it was the first time around. You are right though that I value consistency above all. I even have some seriousness towards assholes if they're consistently an asshole. Neither sounds like they actually mean it. Your problem is not with people changing opinions quickly. Your problem is with people changing opinions constantly. Which isn't what's happening here. At all. So stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymbalina's Revenge Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The second generation lacks any meaningfulness behind it. In FE4, legacy, inheritance, bloodlines, mistakes of the past, revenge by proxy and feuding bloodlines played a huge role in not just the main story but also the backstory. In FE13, the second generation has no purpose. None of the kids aside from Lucina are important in any way and this is evident since you can only recruit them in sidestories that are not critical to the main story. It's like I've been saying about Awakening for a while. Sure, it brings together many of the iconic features from each game but it fails to understand why those features became iconic in the first place. They just lack any soul, you could say. Well, while the Gen2 Awakening kids had no relevance to the plot, at least the side-story stuff we got from them lived up to some of the promise of apocalyptic horror we got from the game's opening sequence. I found the appeal of the Gen1 characters to be emotionally blunted in that basically a lot of terrible stuff happens to their offscreen clones with whom we never interact while they carry along having a relative joyride compared to their alternate-universe counterparts. It teases us with death and loss and failure and then jumps up and goes 'Psych! Didn't mean any of that!' whereas FE4 absolutely did mean it. And FE6 meant it, and FE8 meant it, and FE3 meant it... But that was one reason I got disillusioned with the game I while I played it (to stay on-topic). I expect this kind of Diet Coke Angst in fanfiction, but not in an actual Fire Emblem game I paid money for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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