Bluedoom Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 ##Vote: SB Spent too much time scumreading FFM the entire of last phase only to advocate a Euklynch finally because " Honestly I'd like to wait a phase or two before it gets used so any strongman kills are used up or lynched, and so we can use it to PoE with better lategame, so I guess I'm fine with not lynching him." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 ##Vote:SB mentioned this already and stuff. still not a fan of his ed1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Mod Edit: Pascal's RolePM has been updated/edited Edited June 5, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 question to eury: who are the scumlords, in less than 300 words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 ok so Marf is town BBM and GP are town bear is town or really, really ballsy Manix, bladescape and eclipse are prooooooooobably town this leaves Poly/Refa/Eury/SB who I will be re-reading (though I'll probably just do a thorough re-read in case any of the above is wrong). later tho :effort: Why is bear town? If it's just because scum would have to be "really, really ballsy" to be less active, that's sort of WIFOMy and I wouldn't clear someone because of that. Also, is bladescape town to you because he voiced suspicions of FFM in his reads list? I think Eury and SB did the same as well, so we should probably go by the rest of his content first before trying to narrow down the scumteam by PoE. Poly has very little content and the only thing I'm having an issue with is how he's asked "are we massclaiming" twice, which I guess scum could take advantage of if people started to actually claim in response. Not enough to call him scum, but I wish he would post more. Also, can someone explain why SB is scum? I see that his reads change from the first instance where he says FFM and Euklyd are scummy, but he backs off both reads later and votes Marth, but this isn't scummy in itself to me. I think it'd be convenient for scum!SB to act like that (appearing to case a buddy ED1 and support the popular townie wagon, only to hop off towards the end of the day to remove himself from the mislynch wagon) but I don't see what's actually scummy about how he's been playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Yo, I'm here and able to OC people again. Need to do some rereading, all I got out of my initial skim was that bearclaw dayvigged scum which makes him the closest thing we have to confirmed town (fucking brilliant Refa, ace detective right here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 GP: dayvigging your scum partner is an awful idea. Please don't tell me I have to elaborate on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 GP what Manix said also advocating a scummy person with a scummy role to live to see night 1 is scummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Manix, why jump to SB over Refa, who you've been on for most of the game? What would you approximate is the most likely scumteam rn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Now, where the hell was I? I'm still distracted, but if I wait for things to "calm down", I'm never gonna get a post out. That explains the wonky message I got yesterday. While the timing is a little odd (got the message at 3 AM my time, and Shinori wasn't on during then), I think I can chalk that up to Elieson not being here all day every day. Next up. . . That's. . .a weird reason to vote for someone. I was a wee bit uncomfortable with Eury's D1 wall post for previously-stated reasons. Two things up with this. First was that SB/Manix mentioned the possibility of a strongkill on D1 (and I had my reasons for stating it like this, which I'll explain in a little bit). Second, self-serving/self-saving is exactly how a certain Doctor acted in Training Mafia - was he scum because of that? I'd like SB to come back and Say Something, because I had one minor thing on him from D1. Wasn't reading him as scum before I left for the day yesterday, and still not seeing him as such. please shut up about roles Y'know that crotchety old lady who's constantly screaming about not revealing role-related things unless absolutely necessary? Yeah, I dunno who that is, either. I was targeted with a kill last night. I can't redirect people (actively or passively), so that must've come up elsewhere. However, I didn't send any messages during D1/N1, because I couldn't think of anything useful to say. GP: Go see why Terrador subbed out. And then look at his sub's content. Since Eury can now respond to stuff on her. . . ##Vote: Eurykins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Prims: second guessing refa read, already stated SB on gut and ed1 stuff scumteam I think is probably SB/Poly/Eury, pending review Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 okay who wants to own up to my redirect then? in fact, i could almost re change my mind on refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 IMO we should at least massclaim as to whether your role can potentially redirect. Thoughts on this people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Eh. You know my stance when it comes to claiming stuff. However, I've already spoken for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 IMO people who could potentially redirect should just claim to bearclaw instead of outing that information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Just reread and realized bear's vig was public. I skimmed the thread thinking it was a regular vote; my bad. FFM's reads list. Notably, he says he's leaning scum on SB, Refa, kirsche and Shinori, and chooses to vote the latter. He may or may not have been told to case buddies, so there's not much for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 well GP what do you think of FFM's opinion on Refa changing from "He's always rolled scum he must be town this time!" to a scumread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 well GP what do you think of FFM's opinion on Refa changing from "He's always rolled scum he must be town this time!" to a scumread? His Refa read goes from being based on a poor reason ("he's probably town because he's rolled scum so often") to an arguably strong one ("he's scum because of these tells") and if Refa is his buddy, the new read was probably deliberate.I think it's worth considering that FFM says that he didn't vote Refa prior to the listpost because he didn't want to appear sheepy, which reads like self-conscious scum trying to avoid voting a buddy while not arguing against cases on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I've got to finish a video presentation that's due today (yikes!), be back in about two hours or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Dunno if I would call Refa scum because at the end of the day what FFM says is independent from what Refa says. The interactions are there but they're not a case by themselves. ##Vote: SB This is better because his shift in reads wrt Euklyd and FFM feel more solidly scum to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 that's a pretty quick turnaround on SB GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Poet Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 It is. Do you disagree, though? also advocating a scummy person with a scummy role to live to see night 1 is scummy.I agree with this, and hadn't considered FFM's claim in context with SB's read on him earlier. That contributed to a stronger scumread on SB.With the exception of his read on bladescape (I still think Terrador's behavior is a null tell, though maybe I don't know him as well as I assumed), I think Prims' list of scumteam candidates is reasonable. And out of the four, SB is the most potentially/conveniently scummy imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Dammit. AGAIN. Is the Code of Conduct in some undecipherable language?! I'll be here, but it's doubtful I'll get anything of note out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 No GP I don't disagree, but I still find it odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 GP are you townreading Prims? Also it'd be nice if Poly got modkilled because trying to read a player who doesn't say anything or do anything is annoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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