King Marth Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Prologue- 2 (2) Go erka go Chapter 1- 5 (7) Seth would be so nice here Chapter 2- 5 (12) Ross and Vanessa help lure bandits to Erka and they suicide onto her. Ross got a kill! Chapter 3- 7 (19) I got really lucky and was in position to get a 6 turn but then Erka didn't crit the boss so I got 7 turns and was sad :'( Chapter 4- 5 (24) Vanessa and Erka go down, Ross takes care of the reinforcements. He's level 9 already. What a boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Ah, Mar mar you're still around? Wish I could still play that rout draft against you, it was pretty fun, but I can't find my RD copy :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Marth Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 yeah haha, I took a little break to focus on spending time with friends before we graduated high school, but I'm back now. I did enjoy that draft but once we both stopped I had no desire to go back and finish it :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Prologue - 2/2 So hard. Chapter 1 - 5/7 Eir is still at base HP. Chapter 2 - 6/13 NPC Ross MVP for influencing bandit AI. Chapter 3 - 9/22 That's the best I could do with Eir/Vanessa. . .but on the upside, Colm stole an Iron Sword and Hand Axe all by his lonesome! Chapter 4 - 8/30 "OMG clipsey what took so long?" Getting Artur's ass out of the line of fire. I got some much-needed levels of offense on everyone (though Eir's 8 Strength at level 11 is a wee bit worrisome, since I'm running low on Rapier uses). Edited June 2, 2014 by eclipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Marth Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Chapter 5- 4 (28) Vanessa drops off Eirika the OP bosskilling lord and then doubles back to pick up the Armorslayer for future use (probably). Ross gets the Dracoshield. Chapter 5x- 7 (35) Standard stuff. Forde does his Javelin thing and gets the chest key+door key and some really nice levels. I've never used him even in casual runs, but if these levels aren't just a coincidence he might become my favorite cav in this game. Chapter 6- 4 (39) Yeah, there's just no dropping Eirika on turn 2 without Vanessa getting killed. 4 turns let me feed her the bosskill, which is cool because I think she's underleveled (lvl 7). Ross reaches level 10 so he's going Pirate next chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Horace is prbably gonna beat everyone else by like 20 turns by chapter 9 due to seth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 honestly i think my team is pretty op in general, im kind of glad I got seth so I can show how op he actually is. Chapter 7 will suck, but otherwise it'll be smooth sailing I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) PROLOGUE - 1/1 TURN SETH OP CHAPTER 1 - 3/4 TURNS SETH STILL OP CHAPTER 2 - 4/8 TURNS Seth killed the guys that spawn on the left, then ran down. Eirika and Gilliam tag teamed stuff, I guess. Hopefully my other units can get exp while Seth stomps everything. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 02.94 17 05 08 10 05 03 01 D SWORD SETH ??/02.56 31 15 14 12 13 12 09 A SWORD A LANCE GILLIAM 04.84 25 09 06 03 03 09 03 C LANCE GARCIA 04.00 28 08 07 07 03 05 01 C AXE CHAPTER 3 - 4/12 TURNS broke stuff and enemies so Garcia could hand axe the far wall on turn 1. Seth carried Eirika to victory and owned the boss. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 03.37 18 05 09 11 05 03 01 D SWORD SETH ??/03.39 32 16 14 12 14 13 10 A SWORD A LANCE GILLIAM 05.17 25 10 06 03 04 10 04 C LANCE GARCIA 04.56 28 08 07 07 03 05 01 C AXE CHAPTER 4 - 3/15 TURNS Seth went south, Gilliam handled the north reinforcements, Artur took out the east side while Garcia and Eirika went down through the snag. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 04.70 19 05 10 12 05 04 01 C SWORD SETH ??/04.54 33 16 15 13 15 14 10 A SWORD A LANCE GILLIAM 06.84 26 11 07 04 05 11 04 C LANCE GARCIA 05.06 29 09 07 07 03 05 02 C AXE ARTUR 04.72 20 08 08 09 02 02 07 E LIGHT CHAPTER 5 - 3/18 TURNS Seth ran to the boss. Joshua fought in the arena once. Eirika got the armourslayer, Garcia the dragonshield. Everyone else got exp elsewhere. CHAPTER 5X - 7/25 TURNS Orson did his thing. Ephraim got some good levels that don't really matter! CHAPTER 6 - 3/28 TURNS Seth ran to the boss and everyone else got exp. This seems to be a common theme. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 06.52 21 05 10 14 07 05 01 C SWORD SETH ??/06.26 35 16 15 14 16 15 10 A SWORD A LANCE GILLIAM 09.27 29 13 07 04 05 12 05 B LANCE GARCIA 06.26 30 10 08 07 04 05 02 C AXE ARTUR 06.72 21 09 09 10 03 02 09 D LIGHT JOSHUA 06.25 25 09 13 14 07 05 02 C SWORD CHAPTER 7 - 5/33 TURNS Dumped Eirika on the river with a pure water, and Seth went around and cleared her path and killed the boss for her. Gilliam hit level 10, but I'm not sure if I need to promote him next chapter. CHAPTER 8 - 5/38 TURNS even my strength screwed Seth managed. His defence makes up for it though! He ferried Eirika to the throne room, and killed Tirado. Used a chest key to get then angelic robe, and Ephraim left the bottom exp for Artur and Gilliam to share. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 08.74 23 07 12 16 08 07 02 C SWORD SETH ??/08.90 37 16 16 15 17 16 11 A SWORD S LANCE GILLIAM 11/01.00 33 16 09 06 06 16 06 B LANCE D AXE E SWORD GARCIA 09.00 33 13 10 09 04 05 02 B AXE ARTUR 10.52 23 11 11 11 03 02 12 C LIGHT JOSHUA 07.05 26 09 13 15 07 05 03 C SWORD CHAPTER 9 - 8/46 TURNS Seth ferried Gilliam ahead after killing the sniper to help clear a path for Seth because Amelia shows up at an unfourtunate time. Everyone else killed the north reinforcements except Joshua, who killed the Pirates near the start. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 08.74 23 07 12 16 08 07 02 C SWORD SETH ??/10.54 39 17 17 16 17 16 11 A SWORD S LANCE GILLIAM 11/01.82 33 16 09 06 06 16 06 B LANCE D AXE E SWORD GARCIA 10.27 34 13 10 09 04 05 02 B AXE ARTUR 11.61 23 12 12 11 03 02 12 C LIGHT JOSHUA 08.19 27 09 13 15 08 05 03 C SWORD Edited June 2, 2014 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 ^ Seth please. Also, I found my RD copy YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Marth Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 wow Seth is even more broken than I imagined...then again your team is pretty stacked even without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Yeah my team is pretty strong without Seth. He's even 2 points below average in strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) CHAPTER 10 - 5/51 TURNS Seth opened the door on turn 2, and carried Eirika to victory. Everyone else hung around the middle, some mass promotion is happening next chapter. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 08.84 23 07 12 16 08 07 02 C SWORD SETH ??/11.42 40 18 18 16 17 17 11 A SWORD S LANCE GILLIAM 11/02.25 34 17 10 06 06 16 07 B LANCE D AXE E SWORD GARCIA 11/01.00 39 15 12 11 05 07 04 B AXE C SWORD ARTUR 13/01.00 29 15 14 13 03 05 16 B LIGHT C ANIMA D STAFF JOSHUA 09.67 28 09 13 15 08 05 03 C SWORD INNES ??/01.00 31 14 13 15 14 10 09 A BOW CHAPTER 11 - 6/57 TURNS Seth and Innes went south, Joshua stayed north to kill reinforcements, and Everyone else went the other way. Artur hit C Staves. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 09.51 23 06 13 17 09 08 02 B SWORD SETH ??/12.38 41 18 18 16 17 17 11 A SWORD S LANCE GILLIAM 11/02.61 34 17 10 06 06 16 07 B LANCE D AXE E SWORD GARCIA 11/01.24 39 15 12 11 05 07 04 B AXE C SWORD ARTUR 13/02.97 29 15 15 14 03 05 16 B LIGHT C ANIMA C STAFF JOSHUA 11.21 30 09 15 17 08 05 04 B SWORD INNES ??/01.90 31 14 13 15 14 10 09 A BOW Just noticed a typo in Eirika's strength, it's actually 6, not 7 CHAPTER 12 - 8/65 TURNS Stupid spiders stuck in mountains. Gilliam sat near the start, Seth carried Joshua to the top right, Garcia went to the barrier village. Artur almost hit B Staves at least. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 09.71 23 06 13 17 09 08 02 B SWORD SETH ??/13.53 41 19 18 17 18 17 11 A SWORD S LANCE GILLIAM 11/03.28 35 18 10 07 07 17 07 A LANCE C AXE E SWORD GARCIA 11/01.95 39 15 12 11 05 07 04 A AXE C SWORD ARTUR 13/03.88 30 15 16 15 03 06 17 B LIGHT B ANIMA C STAFF JOSHUA 13.89 32 10 15 18 09 05 05 B SWORD INNES ??/02.44 32 15 14 15 14 11 10 A BOW CHAPTER 13 - 2/67 TURNS Seth ORKO'D the boss with the heavy spear on turn 2. Unfourtunately i didn't have a flier so I couldn't one turn it. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 09.85 23 06 13 17 09 08 02 B SWORD SETH ??/14.40 42 20 18 18 18 18 12 A SWORD S LANCE GILLIAM 11/03.52 35 18 10 07 07 17 07 A LANCE C AXE E SWORD GARCIA 11/02.08 40 15 12 11 06 07 04 A AXE C SWORD ARTUR 13/04.18 31 18 17 15 03 06 17 B LIGHT B ANIMA B STAFF JOSHUA 14.20 32 10 16 19 09 05 05 B SWORD INNES ??/02.80 32 15 14 15 14 11 10 A BOW Edited June 2, 2014 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Your Eirika blows lol. Gilliam's Speed is also hilarious, although that might be average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 The best part about gilliam is he still one shotted doogs and doubled other thowmps. Honestly my other units stats don't really unit chapter 15 which, uh might be a bad time. Maybe promoted Joshua will do something! CHAPTER 14 - 8/75 TURNS Seth ran to the throne room and silver lanced Carlyle twice. Garcia fetched the energy ring, and everyone else did next to nothing. UNIT LEVEL HP ST SK SP LC DF RS WEAPON RANK EIRIKA 10.29 24 06 13 17 10 08 02 B SWORD SETH ??/15.52 43 21 19 18 18 18 12 A SWORD S LANCE GILLIAM 11/03.89 35 18 10 07 07 17 07 A LANCE C AXE E SWORD GARCIA 11/02.80 40 15 12 11 06 07 04 A AXE C SWORD ARTUR 13/05.34 31 20 17 15 04 06 18 B LIGHT B ANIMA B STAFF JOSHUA 15/01.00 37 12 17 19 09 07 06 A SWORD INNES ??/03.63 32 16 15 16 15 11 10 A BOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordofAeons Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 So base Seth at chapter 9 would be about 10 levels under a free Seth. That's a much bigger gap than I was expecting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Chapter 9 - 11 turns (67) this chapter is the hardest chapter in the game but tana <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I'm honestly not sure what's the best way to balance FE8 drafting. With FE9, double Marcia and double jill worked wonders imo. But I wonder if double Franz double Nessie is really the way to go in this game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 iirc banned franz/nessie and free gilliam kinda worked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordofAeons Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I'm curious where everyone thinks the challenge in a draft should lie, as that could give some direction. In order for a competitive rule to have value, it needs to make the competition more 'interesting,' usually talked about in terms of number and complexity of decisions to be made correctly in order to win. Where do you think this depth is to be found, and what's getting in the way?I believe the ideal is to construct a team that performs evenly well through the Early, Middle, and Late Game within the restrictions of a draft. My observation is that the naive approach (ie. just the drafting rules alone) puts emphasis on the Early Game, as most of the community rules seem to lessen this impact. It seems intuitive that a poorly performing Early Game would cause more damage than a poorly performing Mid Game, and it seems quite difficult to have a poorly performing End Game regardless of the team. Does smoothing out Early Game variance result in a more interesting challenge?On the other hand, perhaps the Early Game is the most interesting portion of the competition and it should be emphasized (within reason). For those who find the fun in trying to make unconventional units fill conventional roles, I'd say that occurs most strongly in the Early Game. I don't really have the experience to comment on the relative merits of these smaller tweaks like double Franz/Vanessa, but I did have two wild and crazy ideas: How about a draft structure that can accommodate differing team sizes? If Seth or Franz or whoever can Fight Like Ten Men, why do they only count as one pick? I haven't followed any of the auction drafts, so I don't know if they do this already. The way I'm picturing it, everyone gets something like 10 times the number of picks in points to purchase their team. Then, before the draft, each participant rates each unit in points by how much they think the unit is worth. Each unit is then assigned the average cost from each player, the order is randomized, and the draft proceeds as normal, with the caveat that you can no longer pick once you've run out of points. Alternatively, how about a draft structure that cares about individual chapters rather than just overall? Say a poor team can do Chapter X in 15 turns and Chapter Y in 2 turns, while a good team can get through in 10 and 1, respectively. Why does Chapter X have such a disproportionate impact on the draft's success? Say you instead received points for your relative turn counts in each chapter, and then compare those scores at the end? "I'm pretty sure I can win Chapters X, Y, and Z; I've got a good shot at Chapters Q, R, and S; and I'm at least competitive everywhere except Chapters I, J, and K, so I'll want to wring out all the value I can from those." There would need to be turn count par times for each chapter, though, to prevent things like boss/arena abuse. Anyway, thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Marth Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I think you have some really good ideas, definitely worth testing. I'm particularly interested in how the point/auction system would go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The scoring by single chapter has been used in Lockstep drafts and a couple of others (I may have missed some) which gave points for both turns and exp (Right now I'm planning on having a sequel to that last one I linked). I think it could also make drafts more strategic, especially in seize and kill boss maps where you can go for the exp points and have a stronger team, go for the turns points and have more room to grow, or a balance between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 there was also my draft that bbm broke with bossquotes :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Marth Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Chapter 7- 4 (43) Suck on that Seth. Vanessa drops Eirika on turn 2 so she can kill the boss turn 3. Also Pirate Ross is a thing. Chapter 8- 11 (54) I hate this chapter :( Got the whip for Nessie but I don't think it was worth it. Chapter 9- 6 (60) Instapromote Vanessa to WK and Forde to Pally to make this chapter less of a living hell. Forde runs to kill Amelia when she spawns up and Eirika kills off his scraps because he obviously wasn't doubling Mercs. Vanessa had boss killing duty and had to dodge a ridiculous amount of bow users but none of them had 50+ hitrates so it wasn't so bad. Pirate Ross might become Berserker Ross next chapter if he maxes out strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I recently came across a project that examined draft orders (in the context of fantasy football, but should be applicable to FE drafts as well) and maybe the least first algorithm could work out nicely here. It's kind of like an auction draft, except that every player still has the same team size, which probably simplifies the overall process and avoid units getting picked for way more/less than they're actually worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Woah Horace, you actually started a Seth draft? Holy shit, your team is way too OP... Artur is 3rd best unit without Seth. I've always thought the best way to balance FE8 drafts would be to have 5 drafters and draftable Seth, because the top 8 or 9 picks have really high value and then there is a sudden drop off, and 1st pick just so happens to get the 8th and 9th picks as well. Drafting with Seth would look something like this: 1st- Vanessa, Moulder, Ross, 2nd- Seth, Garcia, Natasha 3rd- Franz, Lute, Kyle, 4th- Artur, Gilliam, Colm, Gerik 5th- Tana, Saleh, Niemi, Forde The meta could get complicated. 5th pick has lots of options and could potentially screw over the top 3 picks if they take Saleh and Lute, because a good warper saves just as many turns in the last 7 maps as Nessie/Seth/Franz in the first 8 maps. Imagine Chp 20 with no warper or flyer. After thinking about it, 6 drafters would be really interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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