Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 :)I completely agree. It's so odd when people drop Guy so low for having 'unreliable' supports, yet keep Raven in Top. He should be lowered. Let's show them what we showed FEE! ;) Yes. There aren't many good (active) debaters left, sadly, so those are things you stumble across more and more often. Of course! ;) Erk = nehGuyXMatthew because Matthew needs Guy support if he wants to do well on Cog of Destiny walkthroughs. So RavenXPriscilla siblings must stay together. Erk is one of the best characters in the game. Great offense, pretty decent durability, staves upon promotion... awesome. Guy x Matthew for A, and Guy x Priscilla for B <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 Erk is one of the best characters in the game. Great offense, pretty decent durability, staves upon promotion... awesome.Guy x Matthew for A, and Guy x Priscilla for B <_< Pent>Erk A Support A Staff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>E Staff <_< Average-wise Pent Wins over Erk. Although Nino is the real victor So then that means Raven can have A Support with Prisilly of course. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordsalmon Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Erk = nehGuyXMatthew because Matthew needs Guy support if he wants to do well on Cog of Destiny walkthroughs. So RavenXPriscilla siblings must stay together. Erk really has no other options, and he's hax enough to be used. Guy wants Priscilla B for more Critical. Yes. There aren't many good (active) debaters left, sadly, so those are things you stumble across more and more often. Of course! ;) Erk is one of the best characters in the game. Great offense, pretty decent durability, staves upon promotion... awesome. Guy x Matthew for A, and Guy x Priscilla for B <_< It's a real shame too, since few seem interested in great debates now. :( Alrighty them. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) Erk joins much earlier, is guaranteed to not take away any valuable EXP from the team and has better stats than any other magic user that isn't called Serra. Nino? You've got to be kidding me. Nino is one of the worst characters in the game. It's a real shame too, since few seem interested in great debates now Debates have to be revived. They're awesome. Edited September 13, 2008 by Tino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) Dorcas>Geitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bartre Edited September 13, 2008 by Toa Lord Sothe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) Erk joins much earlier, is guaranteed to not take away any valuable EXP from the team and has better stats than any other magic user that isn't called Serra.Nino? You've got to be kidding me. Nino is one of the worst characters in the game. Are you kidding me? I can't think of any other how Nino is even one of the worst characters in the game other than she comes underleveled by the time you get her later in the game and will be difficult to train. Other than that she would have been the best if it weren't for Pent. So then ErkXSerra how about that? Edited September 13, 2008 by Mitsuru Kirijo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 That's a possibly B support. Erk will take A Priscilla and B Pent, though. Serra has Lucius (if he's played) and Sain. Now I indeed remember the Nino topic. You guys were all like "Nino's awesome because she's awesome at 20/20!" or something like that. Now, let me tell you people one thing. 20/20 stats don't matter at all if the character can't ever reach that level! Seriously, Nino likely won't even promote. This only shows how much she fails, especially compared to all the other characters you have at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 In the later game where Nino is recruitable she can gain more EXP by killing enemies if your actually lucky enough to hit them using Nino. You get a Guiding Ring at Pale of Darkness anyways. Use that on Nino if your not playing for Rank-runs. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Let me sum up some things. What are we doing? Debating. What game? FE7. What is always considered in FE7 debates, unless stated otherwise? HHM ranked run. So I don't want to hear any "not playing ranked runs" comments anymore in debates... Why don't you people just face it? Nino is much worse than any of your characters at that point in the game, and she never really catches up because she dies in 1~2 hits and is so underleveled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 Have you even lay a finger on Nino at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 I have. Multiple times, in fact, but not because she's so good, but because I always wanted variety in my teams every playthrough. A few years ago, Nino was indeed considered the god of FE7. Now that we've done more research and looked at all the facts, we've come to the conclusion that Nino is among the worst characters in the game. The only problem is that you people don't want to admit that this is an undeniable fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 So your saying Nino fit into like on of the worst units along side with Karla, Renault and all the other late comers? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 That's indeed what I'm saying. Karla, Renault, Dart and Wallace are the only characters that are worse than Nino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dart isn't even one of the worst units. Sure he has so low Skill and he can trash you fund if you bother promoting him to a Berserker with the Ocean Seal. But even with so very low Skills, Dart can still hit other enemies since Enemy units have pathetic avoids and low luck anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 On ranked runs, he's crap because he murders your funds rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) But that doesn't mean he is one of the worst units. Edited September 13, 2008 by Mitsuru Kirijo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Ranked Runs are lame. Seriously lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 But that doesn't mean he is one of the worst units. It does, because he makes the game almost impossible to S rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 So if thats true then promoting Matthew or Legault makes you impossible to go for S-Rank because it requires them to use a Fell Contract even though I promote them just to trade off for EXP Ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Matthew and Legault are better off when they don't promote, because that means they'll keep their awesome stealing utility. They're shitty fighters no matter what anyway. So they only help your Funds rank. They don't hurt it in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) Promoting Matthew to Assassin is trading funds for EXP if you see yourself failing in it. You wouldn't have any problem with your Fund later on if you have a Silver Card. 20/1 Matthew has 20 Speed, 22 Attack and about 44 Critical, so about 70% chance to critcal at least once and decimate. class EXP bonus + silencer bonus + 70% spd growth allows him to double the very few that he doesn't double (I don't recall if there are any above 16 Speed). Plus ~65 avoid. So he's good against Cog of Destiny walkthroughs. Edited September 13, 2008 by Mitsuru Kirijo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Promoting Matthew to Assassin is trading funds for EXP if you see yourself failing in it. You wouldn't have any problem with your Fund later on if you have a Silver Card. He won't fight anyway, because he's off doing thief stuff. This means he doesn't hurt the EXP rank at all, while he only aids the Funds rank a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 But you'll still have Legault anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tino Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Yes, so? What goes for Matthew also goes for Legault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solanum Tuberosum Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Bartre kicked ass for me. Dorcas had nice beginning speed, lagged later. Geitz was used as a bow user, reliable for times where I needed an extra character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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