Randa Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/anythinggoes-188754321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 i'd rather live in a world where we could freely use mega rayquaza than one where we dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 i'd rather live in a world where we could freely use mega rayquaza than one where we dont but you have to admit the fact that a team of six moody users is in the top 450 is a bit concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Something Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Why does using the same Pokemon 6 times on a team sound boring and dumb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Personally I love this meta. I, for one, welcome our new Rayquaza overlord. Edited December 3, 2014 by Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axie Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 AG is the stupidest idea ever ugh ubers is supposed to have everyone so just deal with it and allow broken megas to dominate ubers it's not like ubers was ever balanced anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Well the rationale is that why Ubers is not balanced, you also never saw a level of domination that mega rayquaza would bring. I think the most a pokemon has ever been used in Ubers is like Xerneas at 45%; mega rayquaza is feared to go up to like 70+% usage which is centralizing an already broken metagame. It's one of those things that really can't function in said metagame. At the very least, while Ubers is borked, it's not stagnant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axie Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 if mega rayquaza is really able to sustain such centralisation over a period of months then... ban its mega stone? this ubers/ag split feels like an excuse to ban things other than mega rayquaza in the near future and i find it weak and unjustified. ubers isn't even a tier defined by usage to have things banned (with this said i don't oppose ag as a concept separate from ubers instead of being its banlist. no clauses can be lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 it doesnt have a mega stone. thats part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I saw Megaquaza getting its own tier coming tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Shall we call it.. DELTA Ubers? Current occupant one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnef Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 > Ubers is essentially a banlist for imbalanced pokemon. > Mega Rayquaza is banned from the banlist. Considering for a while, they banned Mega Gengar for the same reason (He seems to be back in ubers, though.), I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume Smogon is starting to lose its credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axie Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 it doesnt have a mega stone. thats part of the problem.wat.okay that IS sort of a big problem but is a new tier really the answer? like i said they'll just use the opportunity to ban mega gengar and god knows what else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 wat. okay that IS sort of a big problem but is a new tier really the answer? like i said they'll just use the opportunity to ban mega gengar and god knows what else over 800 bst, life orb, access to e-speed and a 120 stab, access to both SD and DD vs. shadow tag. very different circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axie Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 the point wasn't to compare them the point was that since they created a tier to banish megaquaza to, now they can just be like "well now that we have a tier over ubers we might as well put mega gengar there" and then possibly do it to other pokemon and then ubers would become a banlist with a banlist if it's not a tier defined by usage it should not have things banned from it is my stance in this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 nerds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) wat. okay that IS sort of a big problem but is a new tier really the answer? like i said they'll just use the opportunity to ban mega gengar and god knows what else Well the thing is that even despite its status as a banlist - there's still regulations behind it and it does have its own merits as a separate metagame. But yeah Life Orb + Dragon Ascent Rayquaza can outspeed a shit ton of things and OHKO even things like Palkia. Delta Stream also basically negates all of its weaknesses. But, uhh, here's chaos' full argument if you're interested. Many good points in there and a lot of number crunching. One or two dragon dances is not only basically guaranteed as a result but it's incredibly dangerous. It OHKOs with Extremespeed. I'd like to note that Rayquaza is still in Ubers, Mega Rayquaza is just not anymore. It has the added benefit of saving you on your car insurance. Edited December 3, 2014 by Lord Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 nerds but secretly he's very upset with this change in events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) for those who dont know what happened. Edited December 3, 2014 by Randa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axie Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 But, uhh, here's chaos' full argument if you're interested. Many good points in there and a lot of number crunching.yeah it's kinda impossible to not disagree with these points and i do agree every pokémon should be usable somewherei just hope they find a way to make ubers a bit more independent from ou then since it is now a tier of its own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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