Junkhead Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't know if you guys noticed, but Henry, seems pretty Est-like. He arrives at about midgame, with rather incompetent stats, but has pretty beast growths. He can potentially have pretty good (55% Spd on a unit with 50% Def, 60% Skill AND 50% Mag...). Couple that with the fact he's of the Dark Magician's branch, and you've got yourself a potentially ridonculous unit, without taking into account excessive grinding, which, would eventually lead to virtually anyone being considered such (virtue of FE13, my people!). I hereby claim Henry to be an EST character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 But those growths are normal by FE13 standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 >Henry >Est DOES NOT COMPUTE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 threads like this exist in reality, thanks fire emblem awakening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) what's the big deal about saying "HEH, I FIGURED OUT THAT X UNIT IS Y ARCHETYPE" again? I personally find the Henry = Est assumption false too, but otoh, what's the big deal about disproving it? since discussing pointless archetypes is pointless Edited January 22, 2015 by Gradivus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I disagree Those growths are really normal for awakening standards threads like this exist in reality, thanks fire emblem awakening Soul was making this kind of thread before Intelligent systems even thought about awakening lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I disagree Those growths are really normal for awakening standards Soul was making this kind of thread before Intelligent systems even thought about awakening lol how do you people keep track of users after they change thier names? crap if i knew that was soul i wouldn't have been suprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Aren't the listed growths incorrect? Oh and Donny is the Est. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 how do you people keep track of users after they change thier names? crap if i knew that was soul i wouldn't have been suprised There's a little thing called display name history! I always check it when I see a UN I don't recognize unless it's a theme person and it's obvious. Aren't the listed growths incorrect? Oh and Donny is the Est. He joins a bit too early for that, imo. Tbh, FE13's main game doesn't really have an Est. The closest thing would be DLC!Est herself, due to the difficulty of her stage but coming as a level 5 peg with Aptitude (while Palla and Catria are Level 20 promoted). And even then... does she completely count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't really think availability determines what is an Est. All about the growths, which Donny has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnef Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't really think availability determines what is an Est. All about the growths, which Donny has. Problem is, Est characters join late, it's part of the archetype. By your logic, Ross is an Est. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 ...I was always under the impression that join time had a huge part in determining the est? (I don't really subscribe to archetypes, but est is one I am actually somewhat familiar with) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't really think availability determines what is an Est. All about the growths, which Donny has.Except it does? Mid to Late jointime has always been a trait of the archetype (hence a joke thread about Henry). Sophia, Nino, Ewan, FE1/11!Est, FE9!Elincia, etc. are Ests. They all join late. Donny... doesn't. Chapter 6 at the earliest is not late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnef Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Discussion on Archetypes has always interested me, sure, it's kind of pointless to some people, but it's a nice little detail about the FE series to see that they're something you see in just about every entry. Now then, off to the topic at hand. Personally, stat wise, Henry can hold his own pretty well in the chapter that he's introduced, so I don't think he's an Est. If anything, all of the children characters are Ests, minus Lucina, Yarne, and Nah. EDIT: Another option would be that Awakening simply doesn't have an Est unit. Edited January 23, 2015 by Nexas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fengaridotdll Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) He joins at about the same level as the previous unpromoted unit (Cherche), who was recruited only like 3 or so chapters before. And by that logic, all the children in the game would be Ests Awakening also technically has a Navarre/Nabarl (Lon'qu), who doesn't really count because he isn't a recruitable enemy Edited January 23, 2015 by The Dark Armorknight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 He joins at about the same level as the previous unpromoted unit (Cherche), who was recruited only like 3 or so chapters before. And by that logic, all the children in the game would be Ests Awakening also technically has a Navarre/Nabarl (Lon'qu), who doesn't really count because he isn't a recruitable enemy Libra and his Killer Axe are the REAL Navarres! Well, Lon'qu was originally Basilio's champ. Meaning Chrom and co. fought him in the original timeline. ...Where was I going with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Chapter 6 at the earliest is not late. Donnel's Paralogue opens after clearing Cht.3. I don't particularly know or care about archetypes, but... Wouldn't having the unit's stats be further behind than average compared to the rest of your team as far as new recruits go be more important than simply joining late? As I see it joining late with medium stats when the rest of your team has high stats is exactly the same as joining early with low stats when the rest of your team has medium stats. Edited January 23, 2015 by Czar_Yoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) since discussing pointless archetypes is pointless You know what's pointless? Pointing out the pointless. It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't contribute to absolutely anything. From the forums where waifu discussion is "a thing". crap if i knew that was soul i wouldn't have been suprised I hate it when dipshits like you, who are barely even fucking around talk like that. You have no fucking right to say "oh if i knew it was him i wouldnt be surprised". Do yourself a favor and start posting more, otherwise you sound like a pussy lurker who's afraid to post his opinion. At least I have the guts (granted, it doesn't even take THAT much) to post my opinion anytime I feel like it. If I disagree with something, wether it be some idiot shit-poster, at least say something instead of jumping into a senseless bandwagon that have no clue they're even "hating" on. Edited January 23, 2015 by The Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) actually, you pointed out the pointless too just by writing that post. also, I did answer to the OP by saying that I disagree on Henry belonging into the Est archetype. and you didn't answer my question about what the big deal in pointing out archetype things is. and I don't care much at all about waifu discussion, but idk if that part was addressing me. Edited January 23, 2015 by Gradivus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Donnel's Paralogue opens after clearing Cht.3. I don't particularly know or care about archetypes, but... Wouldn't having the unit's stats be further behind than average compared to the rest of your team as far as new recruits go be more important than simply joining late? As I see it joining late with medium stats when the rest of your team has high stats is exactly the same as joining early with low stats when the rest of your team has medium stats. Really? It's been a while, so I guess I didn't remember. But that just pushes his not-Estness further, in terms of the general point of the archetype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) FE12!Est has to be drill grounds grinded excessively and is likely to turn out well afterwards. FE11!Est has to be fed many on-map kills and is likely to turn out well afterwards. Donnel has to be fed many on-map kills and is likely to turn out well eventually. to make archetype rules less weird you could be judging from how units work instead of when they do that. Edited January 23, 2015 by Gradivus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Do yourself a favor and start posting more, otherwise you sound like a pussy lurker who's afraid to post his opinion. No offense but I actually see him around more than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 psa thread don't respond more to soul he's suspended now use that as an amazing indicator of what not to post and continue with your dumb archetypes thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The second gen guys could be the Ests. Henry is no Est. What is this? Henry is awesome and usable right out of the box, because Nosferatu tanking is gr9, and so is Ruin. He joins at level 12. Hes fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnef Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) continue with your dumb archetypes thread I'm no mod, but what's so dumb about discussing something some people like to discuss? If that was a joke response, feel free to disregard this, if not, though, I am genuinly curious. EDIT: Just re-read Integrity's post and fully understand what was stated, deleted half of this post. Misread part of it, basically, my mistake. Edited January 23, 2015 by Nexas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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