chirpchirp Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Here are all of the growths for the first gen characters: http://imgur.com/5QwvrNN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Wow Asset/Flaw really make a difference now, with 15-20 all over the place. THAT is what i hoped FE13 would've done. It's a mere 10% in the case of defence though. Guess they don't want your MU to become an unstoppable tank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shengar Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Here are all of the growths for the first gen characters: http://imgur.com/5QwvrNN Rinka have 45% STR growth. That is bad alright but not 18 chapters 10 STR bad. She really is RNG screwed on Hama's run. With the change they made on Pair-Up mechanics and other thing, I guess breaking the game with one or two units will be very hard now or at least limited to the obvious one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awakener_ Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Here are all of the growths for the first gen characters: http://imgur.com/5QwvrNNHoly shit are the growth bad... I feel like some growth is just IS go YOLO and TROLLO on it. I guess I will have to abuse casual batte-save to NOT get RNG screwed. Edited June 25, 2015 by Awakener_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 back in my day gunther's growths were literally everyone in fe2's Yeah, but back in our days, we could gain 2 stats instead of 1. Rinka have 45% STR growth. That is bad alright but not 18 chapters 10 STR bad. She really is RNG screwed on Hama's run. With the change they made on Pair-Up mechanics and other thing, I guess breaking the game with one or two units will be very hard now or at least limited to the obvious one. A lot of character are suffering from what I'd call "Canas(or Eliwood) syndrome" : Their growths are really medium, so they have good chance to ends up totally screwed (Oboro seems to be a good example, with all her growths around 40-50). Considering 45 was Canas's Magic growth, this is fitting. But this means Promoted units are more usefull, since bases are more important. All in all, not necessary a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Here are all of the growths for the first gen characters: http://imgur.com/5QwvrNN A BST doesn't really show a whole lot because it favours characters who excel in both strength and magic for example. Physical units with no magic access don't care about magic that much (though magical weapons appear to be pretty potent for units who didn't grow a good amount of str, like Rinkah with her Bolt Axe for the Japanese player). It's sorta like Pokemon - Darmanitan and Scrafty (or, like, Sawk) don't have the best BST because their special attack is lacking but they can do some great things with the one offensive stat that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzlekins Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) All I can say is, wow Gunter. With those growth rates I don't even mind if you die. Also I'm sad that Yuugiri's growth rates are so low but she's also prepromoted so it's not at all surprising. I wanted to marry her but I guess I'll only do that on an easier difficulty run. Edited June 25, 2015 by VincentASM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylphid Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 BTW Vincent, Yuugiri and Izana are at least playable in Hoshido. And as apparent key figures in Hoshido, unlikely to be playable on Nohr, but that's just speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shengar Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 All I can say is, wow Gunter. With those growth rates I don't even mind if you die. Also I'm sad that Yuugiri's growth rates are so low but she's also prepromoted so it's not at all surprising. I wanted to marry her but I guess I'll only do that on an easier difficulty run. Exactly my thought after seeing that chart "Why even bother saving him?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorMajora Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Keep in mind there's class growth rates on top of character growth rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmalachi Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 ^Yeah but they only add 0-15% for each stat. They help, but growths are still pretty low in this game, at least compared to awakening. And Gunter's still suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Azura's defensive growths are p disastrous, as high as the rest of her stats may be. Also, anyone notice HP growths are rather low in comparison to the other stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titamon Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 These growths are very Radiant Dawnish, quite lopsided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Here are all of the growths for the first gen characters: http://imgur.com/5QwvrNN So then which growth rates are correct: the main site growth rates, or this new one you linked? How do we know? These new growth rates are much higher (maybe not much higher, but Luna looks nice!), but I'm not entirely sure whether I like or dislike that. I really hope these new growth rates are the correct ones because the main site growth rates make me cry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Witches are females only, witches, no shit guys... Hoped for Witches/Warlocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaGalaxy Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) So then which growth rates are correct: the main site growth rates, or this new one you linked? How do we know? These new growth rates are much higher (maybe not much higher, but Luna looks nice!), but I'm not entirely sure whether I like or dislike that. I really hope these new growth rates are the correct ones because the main site growth rates make me cry. Both are, in a sense The ones above take into account the character's default class, and use that class's growth Classes add an additional 0-20% per stat, depending on the class. I think it's usually around 50-70% in total? The main site was updated with the class growth rates, so we can technically calculate everything Most units fall into one of two (sort of) categories 1: Glass Cannons, high everything except HP/DEF, res as well to an extent. Azura is like the epitome of this, so are for example, Kagerou and Hana on the Hoshido Side. Note that most glass cannons are in Hoshido actually 2: Balanced: Usually 30-50 in every stat, nothing is terribly bad, so as some have mentioned, there's a chance of getting screwed since you can't rely on some stats to go up reliably. Edited June 25, 2015 by CocoaGalaxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Featherwick Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 So then which growth rates are correct: the main site growth rates, or this new one you linked? How do we know? These new growth rates are much higher (maybe not much higher, but Luna looks nice!), but I'm not entirely sure whether I like or dislike that. I really hope these new growth rates are the correct ones because the main site growth rates make me cry. Those are the personal growths + the class growths. In their base classes. So they aren't going to get any higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Both are, in a sense The ones above take into account the character's default class, and use that class's growth Classes add an additional 0-20% per stat, depending on the class. I think it's usually around 50-70% in total? The main site was updated with the class growth rates, so we can technically calculate everything Most units fall into one of two (sort of) categories 1: Glass Cannons, high everything except HP/DEF, res as well to an extent. Azura is like the epitome of this, so are for example, Kagerou and Hana on the Hoshido Side. Note that most glass cannons are in Hoshido actually 2: Balanced: Usually 30-50 in every stat, nothing is terribly bad, so as some have mentioned, there's a chance of getting screwed since you can't rely on some stats to go up reliably. Those are the personal growths + the class growths. In their base classes. So they aren't going to get any higher. OH I GET IT NOW. Darn, well at least they're not the worst... I feel like from Belka to Hinata (top of green to middle of gray) could pretty much be in the same category. It's not that much of a difference, since I feel like Hinata won't need much of magic growth as a Samurai (which is what is hindering his growth rate total, besides resistance). Same goes for Luna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Yeah, but back in our days, we could gain 2 stats instead of 1. That's true. People criticizing Gunther ain't ever seen a true Jagen. Though really, his base stats are not much better than your starting characters, and no Silver Lance, so he does really look bad rip. ^Yeah but they only add 0-15% for each stat. They help, but growths are still pretty low in this game, at least compared to awakening. And Gunter's still suck. They're somewhere in between the GBA games and Awakening - but everyone's HP growths are rather low, and the defense growths for physical units is higher. The growths really aren't bad at all (compared to older games they're good), if you haven't played Awakening and expect that from them. Also, anyone notice HP growths are rather low in comparison to the other stats? Maybe it's to sort of nerf speed without nerfing speed? Defense growths are higher for physical units, but HP not as much. Still Kagerou has a 70% Speed and Strength, which is ridiculous anyway. Edited June 25, 2015 by Tryhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Here are all of the growths for the first gen characters: http://imgur.com/5QwvrNN There's a mistake here. Asama start as a Priest. Mountain Priest is his promotion. His growths are : Asama Priest 55 55 30 50 60 55 40 40 Exorcist 55 50 40 50 60 40 40 35 I'm compiling both promotion path growth for the unpromoted units. I will post there here later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorMajora Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I'm really loving Effie: She has no bad stats besides mildly underwhelming RES, not to mention hella strength. Charlotte is also a standout: 85 HP, 75 STR, 75 SPD, and 50LCK. A great dodge tank+HP buffer+damage=Awesome. I'm also happy Lazwald is the better of the Mercs, since I was planning on using him with Charlotte. Man, though Subaki is pretty trash, it's kind of disappointing. Hinata's even worse, same goes for Setsuna. I guess Nyx is okay, since she has points where it counts in magic and speed (I'll still probably use Odin instead, even if he is rather average if you ignore his strength stat), and the rest are pre-promotes. I get the feeling the imoutos are going to end up being some of the most reliably strong mages, which I suppose makes sense since healers tend to be harder to train up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Here are all of the growths for the first gen characters: http://imgur.com/5QwvrNN Slightly off-topic, Are these all the playable characters available?If so, wow 49 characters, I thought there would be more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Keep in mind there's class growth rates on top of character growth rates.The ones in the image posted in the last page already have the class growths added to themThe base growth rates are the ones in the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) So, I have total growth for the Hoshidian unpromoted's promotions. (+Silas and base!MU.)Order will be the one in the site.Mozume have her Aptitude bonusOK, let's run them down : Both Paths : Avatar : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res White Blood 60 60 40 50 55 55 50 25 Dark Blood 60 55 45 45 60 50 40 40 Kaze : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Elite Ninja 60 45 0 65 85 20 25 55 Puppeteer 65 50 0 60 75 25 25 50 Silas : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Paladin 50 60 5 60 50 55 50 35 Great Knight 60 65 5 60 45 45 60 25 Mozume : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wpn Master 60 65 15 70 75 65 55 40 Great Merchant 60 70 15 70 70 70 55 45 Hoshido Path : Rinkah : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Shura 30 45 30 50 55 35 65 25 Blacksmith 40 40 15 65 55 40 60 20 Sakura: Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Exorcist 45 30 70 50 55 55 30 35 War Miko 55 40 60 45 55 70 30 40 Hana : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Trueblade 35 65 15 60 75 40 20 40 Wpn Master 45 70 10 55 65 35 30 30 Subaki : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Falcon Warrior 55 40 30 60 35 45 45 25 Golden-Kite W. 55 35 20 65 35 40 45 20 Saizou : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Elite Ninja 45 55 45 80 50 55 50 30 Puppeteer 50 60 45 75 40 60 50 25 Orochi : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Exorcist 35 5 85 60 30 35 25 60 Basara 55 15 75 60 25 50 30 55 Hinoka : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Falcon Warrior 45 55 25 50 60 60 35 60 Golden-Kite W. 45 50 15 55 60 55 35 55 Asama : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Priest 55 55 30 50 60 55 40 40 Exorcist 55 50 40 50 60 40 40 35 Mountain Priest 65 65 25 45 60 55 50 30 Setsuna : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Golden-Kite W. 30 25 0 45 75 45 15 55 Holy Bowman 40 35 0 50 75 35 25 40 Tsukuyomi : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Exorcist 50 30 60 40 60 60 40 35 Basara 70 40 50 40 55 75 45 30 Oboro: Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Holy Lancer 45 55 20 55 55 45 50 35 Basara 50 50 30 50 50 55 45 40 Hinata : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Trueblade 65 45 5 40 35 60 45 25 Wpn Master 75 50 0 35 25 55 55 15 Takumi : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Golden-Kite W.50 40 0 75 55 60 35 35 Holy Bowman 60 50 0 80 55 50 45 20 Kagerou : Class HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Elite Ninja 35 70 0 40 70 30 30 60 Puppeteer 40 75 0 35 60 35 30 55 Nohr units comming soon.I hope you found it interresting.EDIT : It looks fine now, but if there's anything missing or any mistakes, please say it. Edited June 25, 2015 by Tamanoir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sias Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 That's true. People criticizing Gunther ain't ever seen a true Jagen. Though really, his base stats are not much better than your starting characters, and no Silver Lance, so he does really look bad rip. Gunter apparently does return later on (at least in Nohr, and it's quite likely that it's somehow possible for Hoshido as well), and with much better bases on top of that. I haven't seen it personally though, so I can't confirm how much of this is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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