Ebony Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I do have a question though, how is Dread Fighter on say, Kamui? Considering it's probably one of my favorite classes, is it good, or at least worth getting skills for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Alchemist Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I do have a question though, how is Dread Fighter on say, Kamui? Considering it's probably one of my favorite classes, is it good, or at least worth getting skills for? If you hate Mages then it's the perfect class for you, the problem is that it's just not superb at anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoXDS Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 don't forget about Aggressor, even if is slightly nerfed from Awakening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoXDS Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) EDIT: faulty internet and accidently double posted Edited August 12, 2015 by GoXDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyffle Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think I just figured out how to bring Midoriko's Luck-based skill activation rates to 100%. Mozume!Midoriko has a neutral Luck modifier (+0). This is unfortunately as high as she can go (without Kamui as a mother), but it will do. If Midoriko marries Kisaragi or Shigure, she can reclass into Golden-Kite Warrior via Marriage Seal, bringing her Luck cap to 34. She can wield bows, like Anna's Lucky Bow (which grants Luck +5). Luck becomes 39. If Mozume A+'s Oboro, reclasses to Basara, and builds up an A-support with Midoriko, then Midoriko's Luck becomes 45 when paired up with her mother, Mozume. Midoriko equips the skills Flamboyant (obtainable through inheritance via Mozume's A+ with Oboro), Hoshido (sadly only available through the Logbook in this case), and Luck Drain (DLC). Together with her personal skill, Lucky Charm, Midoriko's total activation rate shoots up to a whopping 90%. And when she kills 5 enemies, it climbs even higher to 100%. This is perfect for skills whose activation rates are based around Luck: they will always trigger. On that note, does damage from Extravagance stack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Alchemist Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I think I just figured out how to bring Midoriko's Luck-based skill activation rates to 100%. Mozume!Midoriko has a neutral Luck modifier (+0). This is unfortunately as high as she can go (without Kamui as a mother), but it will do. If Midoriko marries Kisaragi or Shigure, she can reclass into Golden-Kite Warrior via Marriage Seal, bringing her Luck cap to 34. She can wield bows, like Anna's Lucky Bow (which grants Luck +5). Luck becomes 39. If Mozume A+'s Oboro, reclasses to Basara, and builds up an A-support with Midoriko, then Midoriko's Luck becomes 45 when paired up with her mother, Mozume. Midoriko equips the skills Flamboyant (obtainable through inheritance via Mozume's A+ with Oboro), Hoshido (sadly only available through the Logbook in this case), and Luck Drain (DLC). Together with her personal skill, Lucky Charm, Midoriko's total activation rate shoots up to a whopping 90%. And when she kills 5 enemies, it climbs even higher to 100%. This is perfect for skills whose activation rates are based around Luck: they will always trigger. On that note, does damage from Extravagance stack? Blood of Anakos DLC item supposedly pimps out Nohr Prince(ss) so she can get Hoshido anyways. Also, Basara has a higher Luck cap, so S rank Shinonome or A+ Kinu (I think) can give her Flambo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoXDS Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Blood of Anakos DLC item supposedly pimps out Nohr Prince(ss) so she can get Hoshido anyways. Also, Basara has a higher Luck cap, so S rank Shinonome or A+ Kinu (I think) can give her Flambo. the point was Arrow for Anna's Lucky Bow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If you hate Mages then it's the perfect class for you, the problem is that it's just not superb at anything else. I really do, though I might take a dip into it for Aggressor, even if it isn't needed later on. And also, bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Anyways just wanted to know if these set-ups are good: M!Corrin@Dread Fighter/Dark Blood(Still debating their equal offensively but DF is faster, but DB can provide extra Mag for Zero in pair up) +Str/-Def Secondary-Bowman(Mainly for Zero so he can get Bowfaire) Spouse-Zero Main Weapon-Yato Final -Swordfaire -Aggressor -Dragon Fang -Hoshido -Astra Zero@Adventurer Spouse-M!Corrin Main Weapon-Shining Bow -Bowfaire -Devilish Wind(If it works w/ SB)/Prescient Victory(If DW does not work) -Aggressor -Raven Strike -Lifetaker Do these look good? Just tjought I would quote myself to make this easier. I plan on using the same set-up with Zero(But I think I am going to change Zero's Raven Strike to Swallow Strike from Subaki A+).But I now plan on making my Corrin a Lodestar(I forgot the class existed until after I made the list).The thing I am asking, is the set-up I have currently good for a Lodestar Corrin, or should I change it up a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Alchemist Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 How much of Copycat Puppet is in PvP? If it is prevalent, Puppet Breaker should be something to really consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iZallen Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 How much of Copycat Puppet is in PvP? If it is prevalent, Puppet Breaker should be something to really consider. I see that it's prevalent. But doesn't Puppet breaker only give the bonus if you're attacking the puppet? How I saw people using it was more towards making their characters get the pair-up bonus instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoXDS Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 the skill description says Puppeteers, Puppets, and Golems. I'd assume "Puppeteers" specifically refers to the class and now a Copycat Puppet user Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesbarkley Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Puppet breaker doesn't give a bonus against copycat clones, that's a misconception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Just tjought I would quote myself to make this easier. I plan on using the same set-up with Zero(But I think I am going to change Zero's Raven Strike to Swallow Strike from Subaki A+).But I now plan on making my Corrin a Lodestar(I forgot the class existed until after I made the list).The thing I am asking, is the set-up I have currently good for a Lodestar Corrin, or should I change it up a bit? It looks good for Kamui/Corrin, because I don't really think there's much Lodestar can give that you'd want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Alchemist Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Pieri@Berserker (A+ Charlotte) -Galeforce -Lifetaker -Breaking Bad (S Nishiki) -Luna/Agressor -Flamboyant Point her at something and she kills it. Then point her at something else and she MAULS it. Edited August 14, 2015 by JothTheConqueror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Just curious, for Subaki pairings... what do you think these would be like? Azura x Subaki Setsuna x Subaki Kagerou x Subaki Sakura x Subaki I don't know if I'll do them, I'm just curious how they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Mom St Mg Sk Sp Lk Df Rs Mom Gains Dad Gains Matoi Inher. Sakura 0 3 2 0 0 3 0 Nothing Priest Miko Setsuna 0 1 4 2 -1 3 -1 Peg Bowman Bowman Kagerou 3 1 2 -2 0 3 1 Peg Ninja Ninja Azura 0 1 4 2 0 1 0 Nothing Rod Kngt Rod Kngt Tsubaki and Matoi has access to Peg and Samurai by default. Out of skills that Matoi doesn't already get from her default classes and the one mom passes, Sakura can pass one skill from the Rod Knight(IK) tree, else all her A+ options are Matoi's default classes. Setsuna can pass one skill from the Ninja tree, Kagerou can pass one skill from Spellcaster, Oni, Bowman, and (IK) Cavalier trees, Azura can pass one skill from Songstress, Priest, and (IK)Rod Knight trees. Some points of reference for Tsubaki and Matoi are that, since they're slow and tanky, do you prefer to spend effort to try to patch up their speed more (in which case Azura and Setsuna can do that but they're kinda in-demand to speedstack faster people) or do you wanna just deal with the slow but go for defense and power (Kagerou can opt to throw you in both defensive and offensive directions wrt Matoi since Matoi can at least take the Trueblade/Ninja route and do a slow but powerful version of a fast class, and Kagerou can get Matoi Flamboyant through her secondary or she can go get Diamond Strike off Pieri for a more defensive build) I personally think Kagerou has the most merits out of the 4 since it's so hard to patch up a -2 speed anyway and she's a bit more versatile in what you want, while she herself can benefit from a few of Peg tree's skills. Setsuna/Azura have a lot of better options, Setsuna gets only one promoted class instead of 2 out of getting peg, and Azura gets nothing at all Don't even bother with Sakura. I like her support best out of the 4 with Tsubaki, but there's really nothing either of them really want from each other and the options are so limited unless you want to run Exorcist Matoi or something I guess IDK someone write a more detailed analysis I'm not awake rn Edited August 14, 2015 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Here are the outcomes for Matoi, to follow up on Thor Odinson. EDIT: And the table formatting got messed up… Mother’s Name STR MAG SKL SPD LCK DEF RES Dad Gains Mom Gains Matoi gets Felicia -2 +3 +3 +0 +0 +3 +1 Rod Knight Pegasus Knight Rod Knight Azura +0 +1 +4 +2 +0 +1 +0 Rod Knight none Rod Knight Mozume +0 +1 +4 +0 +1 +4 -2 Bowman Pegasus Villager Rinkah -1 +1 +1 +0 +0 +6 +0 Oni Savage Pegasus Oni Savage Sakura +0 +3 +2 +0 +0 +3 +0 Priestess none Priestess Hana +1 +1 +4 +1 -1 +1 +1 none Pegasus Priestess Orochi +0 +4 +5 -3 -1 +2 +1 Spellcaster Pegasus Spellcaster Hinoka +1 +0 +2 +0 +0 +3 +2 Lance Fighter Samurai Lance Fighter Setsuna +0 +1 +4 +2 -1 +3 -1 Bowman Pegasus Bowman Oboro +1 +0 +4 +0 -1 +5 -1 Lance Fighter Pegasus Lance Fighter Kagerou +3 +1 +2 -2 +0 +3 +1 Ninja Pegasus Ninja Luna -1 +1 +2 +1 +0 +5 +0 Mercenary none Mercenary Nyx +0 +4 +1 +1 -1 +2 +1 Dark Mage Pegasus Dark Mage Edited August 14, 2015 by astrophys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 EDIT: And the table formatting got messed up… [code] tags help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'm still sticking with Oboro, I was just curious. Thank you though. And Azura's high in demand? It doesn't seem like it unless your name is Midoriko or Kinu... (as in these are the only pairings with her I've seen so far) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Edit: Fixed Formatting Let's try again then… Some details: (moved in an edit) Tsubaki's basic class set is Pegasus & Samurai. Tsubaki can get a skill from Ninja (A+ Saizou), Priest (A+ Asama), or Outlaw (A+ Zero). Hinata's A+ is wasted as Tsubaki already has Samurai. Matoi starts with Pegasus and gets Samurai from Tsubaki, so she's Pegasus & Samurai as well. Tsubaki has 250% growths. Matoi gets 285% of base personal growths before growth inheritance from her parents.The exact way these growths inherit is unknown…I suspect (Mother+Child)/2, from some observations of leveling up in YouTube videos with child seals, but its too small a sample size. This needs confirmation. If true, Tsubaki's 250% growths don't matter. When I cite growths, keep in mind that how they are distributed also matters, not just their sum total. Mozume's Growths are before Aptitude. Mom/Mom's Grw STR MAG SKL SPD LCK DEF RES Dad Gains Mom Gains Matoi gets Royal Skill from Felicia(260%) -2 +3 +3 +0 +0 +3 +1 Rod Pegasus Rod No Merc;Cav/Dark Azura (310%) +0 +1 +4 +2 +0 +1 +0 Rod none Rod No Sing,Priestess;Rod Mozume (290%) +0 +1 +4 +0 +1 +4 -2 Bowman Pegasus Villager No Bow,Lnc,Kgt,Dark Rinkah (255%) -1 +1 +1 +0 +0 +6 +0 Oni Pegasus Oni No Ninja,Lan,Sp,F Sakura (310%) +0 +3 +2 +0 +0 +3 +0 Priest NONE Priestess Yes Rod Hana (265%) +1 +1 +4 +1 -1 +1 +1 NONE Pegasus Priestess No Bow,Kgt,Rod Orochi (275%) +0 +4 +5 -3 -1 +2 +1 Spell. Pegasus Spell No He,Ni,Lc,On,Da Hinoka (305%) +1 +0 +2 +0 +0 +3 +2 Lance Samurai Lance Yes Pri,Bow,Wy,Rod Setsuna(225%) +0 +1 +4 +2 -1 +3 -1 Bowman Pegasus Bowman No Ninja,Merc Oboro (280%) +1 +0 +4 +0 -1 +5 -1 Lance Pegasus Lance No Spl,On,Wy,Bow Kagerou(260%) +3 +1 +2 -2 +0 +3 +1 Ninja Pegasus Ninja No Spl,Bow,On,Cav Luna (250%) -1 +1 +2 +1 +0 +5 +0 Mercenary NONE Mercenary No Bow,Wyv,Cav Nyx (235%) +0 +4 +1 +1 -1 +2 +1 Dark Mage Pegasus Dark Mage No Out,Spl,Kgt,F,Bow Skill from abbreviations: Out = OutlawWyv = Wyvern RiderOn = Oni SavageHe = Herb MerchantF = FighterSp/Spl = SpellcasterNi = NinjaKgt = KnightLnc/Lan/Lc = Lance FighterBow = BowmanRod = Rod KnightPri = PriestessSing = SingerDark = Dark MageCav = CavalierMerc= Mercenary Edited August 14, 2015 by astrophys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) I'm still sticking with Oboro, I was just curious. Thank you though. And Azura's high in demand? It doesn't seem like it unless your name is Midoriko or Kinu... (as in these are the only pairings with her I've seen so far) Being one of the two +3 speed moms (with neutral strength, even, and the -3 def doesn't hurt too much for people who don't also have a -2 def or something in the offense-oriented meta) with the entire male cast as options is a thing She also comes with her own kid and doesn't really care much about what other people give her, since she's most useful just singing anyway; Shigure cares a bit, though I've seen support for Takumi since she's his only peg option since he can't A+ Hinoka for it (seriously the royals should be able to A+ all their siblings not just their same-sex ones since they're already 2 S options down from everyone else anyway) , and even though it gives one less promoted class for Takumi, it makes Takumi getting Swallow Strike very efficient and is very good for an ingame option, since all he has to do is just promote to GKW and double harder Edited August 14, 2015 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Edit: Fixed Formatting Let's try again then… Tsubaki's basic class set is Pegasus & Samurai. Matoi starts with Pegasus and gets Samurai from Tsubaki, so she's Pegasus & Samurai as well. Mother’s Name STR MAG SKL SPD LCK DEF RES Dad Gains Mom Gains Matoi gets Royal? Skills from Felicia -2 +3 +3 +0 +0 +3 +1 Rod Pegasus Rod No Merc,Cav (IK), Dark (IK) Azura +0 +1 +4 +2 +0 +1 +0 Rod none Rod No Mozume +0 +1 +4 +0 +1 +4 -2 Bowman Pegasus Villager No Rinkah -1 +1 +1 +0 +0 +6 +0 Oni Pegasus Oni No Sakura +0 +3 +2 +0 +0 +3 +0 Priest NONE Priestess Yes Hana +1 +1 +4 +1 -1 +1 +1 NONE Pegasus Priestess No Orochi +0 +4 +5 -3 -1 +2 +1 Spell. Pegasus Spell No Hinoka +1 +0 +2 +0 +0 +3 +2 Lance Samurai Lance Yes Setsuna +0 +1 +4 +2 -1 +3 -1 Bowman Pegasus Bowman No Oboro +1 +0 +4 +0 -1 +5 -1 Lance Pegasus Lance No Kagerou +3 +1 +2 -2 +0 +3 +1 Ninja Pegasus Ninja No Luna -1 +1 +2 +1 +0 +5 +0 Mercenary NONE Mercenary No Nyx +0 +4 +1 +1 -1 +2 +1 Dark Mage Pegasus Dark Mage No Damn you were not kidding about Hinoka being a good mom. However, I think on my main file I'll stick with Oboro. But I'll try out Hinoka some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Yeah, I'd say prolly Hinoka's one of his best options gameplay-wise Also their support is really nice too, if you care about that Edited August 14, 2015 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoXDS Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I just absolutely hate the fact that Subaki's so slow T_T I want speed give me speed Cordelia was fast, not slow and bulky T_T screw you Subaki if not for that fact, she may have been my main file pairing. but nope. gotta go with Azura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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