eclipse Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, XRay said: I am kind of skeptical of the Blue Wave and I personally do not see it; even in California, it is very difficult to get non-voters, especially minorities, to vote. Even with the trade war and all the shit that is going on, non-voters just do not give a fuck even when it is affecting them. Sometimes, it makes me wonder why I should give a fuck about them when they do not even take the time to stand up for themselves. Even if it feels demoralizing, vote anyway. You're doing better than those that don't. Hawaii is going to go blue, full stop. At this point, it's a matter of whether or not anyone in the Republican party has a chance here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, eclipse said: Even if it feels demoralizing, vote anyway. You're doing better than those that don't. I will vote anyways, but it feels like I am doing the work for them. Like, at the very least, everyone should vote on the state propositions on the ballot where it is mostly about increasing or decreasing taxes to fund or unfund stuff. A half filled ballot is still better than no ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Trump is now looking to terminate Birthright citizenship, overriding Section 1 of the 14th amendment. It probably won't see any success but it's still rather irksome to see how little this turd understands what it means to be the President and how little regard he has for the constitution specially when pushing for Kavanaugh "because he's a constitutionalist". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Living in one of those too-close-to-call districts where incumbent Republican Congressman Tom McArthur is running in a dead heat with Democratic challenger Any Kim. Hooray--my vote might actually matter this time. Edited October 30, 2018 by Shoblongoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 On 10/29/2018 at 1:57 AM, Pixelman said: As expected, Jair Bolsonaro wins Brazil's presidential election 55.2% to 44.8% What a time to believe alive This and the following responses regarding Brazil shows a basic lack of Brazilian history. Brazilians like military dictators. This isn't actually surprising. What's more surprising is how shocked people are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Well, you could go ahead and say that Latin America in general "likes" dictators. Left and Right don't hold much sway there - Bolsonaro praised Hugo Chavez, the socialist military guy. Generally, modern dictators don't seize power through coups - they are "elected" - even if by 'elected' it is a complete sham. Say what you want about Maduro, he is the same. Edited October 30, 2018 by Edgelord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dr. Tarrasque said: Trump is now looking to terminate Birthright citizenship, overriding Section 1 of the 14th amendment. It probably won't see any success but it's still rather irksome to see how little this turd understands what it means to be the President and how little regard he has for the constitution specially when pushing for Kavanaugh "because he's a constitutionalist". Remember now--Obama was the one who either didn't understand or didn't respect the Constitution, and was abusing executive orders to push "radical change." (it doesn't take too much imagination here to envision what the reaction would have been if Obama woke up one day and decided he was going to use an executive order to terminate the right to bear arms, overriding the second amendment) ..but its perfectly OK when they do it... Hell. Its patriotic when they do it. Because...reasons... Edited October 30, 2018 by Shoblongoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rukina Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Dr. Tarrasque said: Trump is now looking to terminate Birthright citizenship, overriding Section 1 of the 14th amendment. It probably won't see any success but it's still rather irksome to see how little this turd understands what it means to be the President and how little regard he has for the constitution specially when pushing for Kavanaugh "because he's a constitutionalist". Trump could pull this off and I'm sure it's no coincidence that he is doing this so close to the migrant caravan's arrival. Any wrong moves made by the caravan could potentially be used to support Trump's executive order including the incident that occurred when they were entering Mexico. There are also 5,200 additional troops being sent to the border so hopefully the members of the caravan won't get restless while they are slowly filtered into the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Sarracenia said: There are also 5,200 additional troops being sent to the border so hopefully the members of the caravan won't get restless while they are slowly filtered into the country. I foresee this ending horribly. Remember what happened with the family break-up policy and the child detention centers? The talking points that went out afterwards? The defense of the indefensible? "Well its THEIR fault for breaking our laws. This about whether we're a nation of laws or a nation of open borders; if you don't support what our president is doing, you support lawlessness and criminality." We're sending the military to the border--why exactly, if the policy isn't treat the migrant caravan as a military threat. Whats the army gonna do if they keep on going, shoot them??? In b4 theres a full blown massacre on the southern border. ...And the usual apologists try to normalize it + present "Either you believe this is a nation of laws or you don't; if you don't support these actions you're for lawlessness. They tried to break our laws. We have an absolute right to protect our borders--this is THEIR fault." in defense of the US military opening fire on children, asylum-seekers, and unarmed civilians. ...and still insist the president is not a fascist.... Edited October 30, 2018 by Shoblongoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Life said: This and the following responses regarding Brazil shows a basic lack of Brazilian history. Brazilians like military dictators. This isn't actually surprising. What's more surprising is how shocked people are. I know Brazil's history of military dictators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLEASH IT Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 After what happened with Lula and Dilma, it couldn't have been any easier for Bolsonaro. I don't know why people are so surprised at how much support he had, Brazilians would've probably voted for the literal devil instead of the PT after those corruption charges (even though Bolsonaro could end up being quite corrupt himself). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Kanye West on Blexit. Quote My eyes are now wide open and now realize I’ve been used to spread messages I don’t believe in. - Kanye West 22 hours ago, Shoblongoo said: ...and still insist the president is not a fascist.... "But every president IS a fascist" "But every president wants to be a dictator" Actual response to referring to Trump as a fascist or showing how he wants to be a dictator. Edited October 31, 2018 by Dr. Tarrasque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Kanye West isn't worth listening to, since he's obviously been unwell for many years since his mother passed. It's like getting at Roseanne Barr when she's had a lifelong brain injury for making poor decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 It's a shame corruption is so ingrained in the Brazilian government that the people think a dangerous bigot would make for a better leader because he'll do something "different" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, FrostyFireMage said: It's a shame corruption is so ingrained in the Brazilian American government that the people think a dangerous bigot would make for a better leader because he'll do something "different" ...you just summarized the entire 2016 presidential election in under 30 words... Edited October 31, 2018 by Shoblongoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I really doubt the American government is as corrupt as the one in Brazil... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) it's not about corruption alone. Dilma's policies led the country to the worst recession in its history, but all PT can do is play the victim card, sabotage the rest of the left (such as Ciro Gomes or Marina Silva), and never admit their mistakes. Just as they lost the election, they went back to making speechs about how Lula has to be freed. Of course an actual fascist is much worse than them, I voted for Haddad on the second round without thinking twice. There were plenty of much better options than either the Fascist or PT on the first round, though. Edited October 31, 2018 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Edgelord said: Kanye West isn't worth listening to, since he's obviously been unwell for many years since his mother passed. It's like getting at Roseanne Barr when she's had a lifelong brain injury for making poor decisions. It's more about presenting context to the "Kanye in Politics" situation and the hypocrisy of how celebrities are being treated in politics. We all have our opinions about Kanye but I don't think that excuses the worst of the behavior in response to his recent antics from the left and the right trying to use him to promote propaganda like Candace is doing. Speculation on Mueller subpoena of Trump to testify Lawyer to Judge: Consider Trump's rhetoric in hopes of a lighter sentence. Edited October 31, 2018 by Dr. Tarrasque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Tarrasque Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) On 10/30/2018 at 1:41 PM, Shoblongoo said: I foresee this ending horribly. We're sending the military to the border--why exactly, if the policy isn't treat the migrant caravan as a military threat. Whats the army gonna do if they keep on going, shoot them???In b4 theres a full blown massacre on the southern border. It's certainly looking like it's bound to happen Quote “Estimated 200 unregulated armed militia members currently operating along the southwest border. Reported incidents of unregulated militias stealing National Guard equipment during deployments. They operate under the guise of citizen patrols supporting CBP [Customs and Border Protection] primarily between POEs [Points of Entry],” according to the documents. Quote In its call to action for supporters to make their way to the southern border, the Minuteman Project tells members: “Remember, defending your nation’s sovereignty and its heralded stature as ‘a nation of laws’ does not make you a racist, a bigot, a xenophobe, a Nazi, a fascist… or any of the various epithets commonly used by our adversaries to falsely deface our patriotic virtue. But yeah, it's still "the violent left". Edited November 1, 2018 by Dr. Tarrasque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 jesus christ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Dr. Tarrasque said: It's certainly looking like it's bound to happen https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/01/donald-trump-suggests-migrants-could-shot-throwing-rocks/1850582002/ "President Donald Trump says he told the U.S. military mobilizing at the Southwest border that if migrants try to throw rocks at them, the troops should act as though the rocks are "firearms.""They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back," the president told reporters. "I told them to consider it a rifle. When they throw rocks like what they did to the Mexican military and police I say consider it a rifle." ____________ Goddamn it...I hate being right... Edited November 2, 2018 by Shoblongoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Trump administration to reinstate all Iran sanctions https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46071747 and yeah, he posted a game of thrones meme to his twitter Edited November 2, 2018 by Edgelord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Then I guess a massacre is unavoidable. Like, even if those militia guys weren't an issue, Trump is basically saying that any provocation is grounds for lethal force, and how could you prove that someone didn't throw a rock or whatever? The red hats among the soldiers will most certainly interpret this as their actions not going to have any consequences. And once the first bullet is fired, things will spiral out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Last best hope would be that rank-and-file soldiers recognize any such orders handed down as illegal orders to massacre civilians, and refuse to commit the atrocity. The really fucked up part is if they actually do it--if they go full Einsatzgruppen Nazi deathsquad on a caravan of refugees and asylumseekers--Trump with all his bluster and machismo and cult-of-personality will almost certainly have ~40% of the country supporting the action + whipped up into a patriotic fenzy of thinking its "unamerican" to oppose it. ...This is what we're SUPPOSED to do to keep the country clean... ...This is American greatness on full display... ...You hate America and you want American workers to lose their job and you want American families to get raped and murdered if you're against this... ~40%. They'll be completely, unapologetically on board with that. _________ That to me is a stronger sign of national decline than any trade statistic or deficit figure. A nation cannot be great if its people are cruel and stupid. Edited November 2, 2018 by Shoblongoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 It’s going to end in disaster and I don’t know how we can prevent it. It’s a good time to remind people that undocumented immigrants pay billions in taxes a year. We gain far more than they cost us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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