Zera Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Why are you so obsessed with this thing called " Metroid " ? Because it's good. You do not play Metroid, so visit this topic again when it's relevant for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siobhan Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I must spread the elegance ! http://www.nyan.cat/technyancolor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Because it's good. Actually healthy and well-rounded people can like a good thing without being obsessed by it and were I you I would strive towards this state of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Zera, did you change the poll because of this conversation? You've completed ruined your own thread now. I must spread the elegance ! http://www.nyan.cat/technyancolor Please don't spam threads, Elle. Edited February 20, 2016 by Power Master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Every Metroid captures the essence of the Metroid series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Why did you change the poll? :/ Every Metroid game except for Pinball captures the essence of the series. I wouldn't say either really has "more" than the other. Edited February 20, 2016 by Fire Emblem Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Actually healthy and well-rounded people can like a good thing without being obsessed by it and were I you I would strive towards this state of mind. Well, you seem to like my topic an awful lot... Also, I think you may be confusing "obsessed" with "specialist". [spoiler=A cookie specialist] @Power Master, Emeraldfox, Fire Emblem Fan: Thank you for participating in the old poll. It's gone now, and I can't bring it back, so I hope you had enough time to see the results. I've added a couple options to the new poll. Edited February 20, 2016 by Zera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 federation force is the one that truly captures the essence of metroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Zera, you can't vote on your own poll. It'll just make it redundant in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Zera, you can't vote on your own poll. It'll just make it redundant in this case. I have no idea what you mean by that. The poll is a means of gathering opinion data, and I have an opinion. It's not like I have more votes than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarinets Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Could you at least add Super Metroid to the poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Play some Super Metroid ROM hacks Zera the Mant Edited February 21, 2016 by BLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Could you at least add Super Metroid to the poll? It is generally agreed upon that Super Metroid is THE quintessential Metroid experience, so the question is whether Prime or Other M is a more accurate translation of that experience to 3D. I vote Prime because it has better controls, music, and less cutscenes than Other M, which makes it closer to Super Metroid IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Zero Mission is the quintessential Metroid experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Zero Mission is the quintessential Metroid experience. I don't care about the other games right now. I wanna know, between Prime and Other M, which one has MORE Metroid in it? Off topic: Thought this was funny... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5bAC9pMh04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Both. They have the exact same amount of Metroid in them, they are both core entries into the series and therefore have equal amounts of Metroid "essence." To say Prime is more Metroid than Other M or vice versa is honesty kinda silly, regardless of how you feel about either game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 So far, EVERY Metroid has felt like a Metroid game. Saying one is the "core" of the franchise just feels limited and irrelevant. Now you can say one is your favorite in the series (mine being Metroid Prime), but they all felt like Metroid. And not just because "It has Samus" or "Metroids are in it." I mean the gameplay and controls and the overall feel of the game series has felt like Metroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 When I say "core" I mean they aren't spinoff's like Pinball. Also, to say Other M is less Metroid because it has more cutscenes is like saying Skyward Sword is less Zelda because it has more dialogue than Ocarina of Time, or Majora's Mask is less because it has more side quests than Link to the Past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) These are some very interesting responses. For me, the essence of Metroid games is the variety of things that make them fun. Also, to say Other M is less Metroid because it has more cutscenes is like saying Skyward Sword is less Zelda because it has more dialogue than Ocarina of Time, or Majora's Mask is less because it has more side quests than Link to the Past. I think you're misinterpreting the issue. Skyward Sword's problem wasn't increased dialogue - it was reduced text speed and constant interruptions. Majora's Mask's problem wasn't increased sidequests - it was less dungeons. It's usually subtractions that harm a game, not additions. Compared to Super Metroid and Metroid Prime, Other M has - - worse controls. - less memorable music. - less exploration. - shallower combat - no new powerups or abilities of any significance. - a more interrupted game flow... - ...and less immersion as a result. These are all things that I look for in a Metroid game. So what did we get in return? Well, the Speed Booster and Screw Attack work well in 3D... and that's the only contribution Other M makes to the Metroid series. It's a step down in quality, both as a Metroid game and a game in general. The classic Metroid fun simply isn't as abundant. It has less Metroid in it. And that's why I chose Metroid Prime in the poll. Edited February 21, 2016 by Zera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarinets Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 It is generally agreed upon that Super Metroid is THE quintessential Metroid experience, so the question is whether Prime or Other M is a more accurate translation of that experience to 3D. I vote Prime because it has better controls, music, and less cutscenes than Other M, which makes it closer to Super Metroid IMO. Oh, okay. I can't really vote then, I've never played either game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) I think you're misinterpreting the issue. Skyward Sword's problem wasn't increased dialogue - it was reduced text speed and constant interruptions. Majora's Mask's problem wasn't increased sidequests - it was less dungeons. It's usually subtractions that harm a game, not additions. Compared to Super Metroid and Metroid Prime, Other M has - - worse controls. - less memorable music. - less exploration. - shallower combat - no new powerups or abilities of any significance. - a more interrupted game flow... - ...and less immersion as a result. These are all things that I look for in a Metroid game. So what did we get in return? Well, the Speed Booster and Screw Attack work well in 3D... and that's the only contribution Other M makes to the Metroid series. It's a step down in quality, both as a Metroid game and a game in general. The classic Metroid fun simply isn't as abundant. It has less Metroid in it. And that's why I chose Metroid Prime in the poll. I'm not misinterpreting anything. "Worse controls" The controls as a whole are fine. Samus controls well. The arm canon is fine. The speed booster is fine. The bombs are fine. The screw attack is fine. Literally everything controls well except for the missiles. But even that isn't any worst than the terrible grappling in Super Metroid. So... "Less memorable music" Subjective, tastes in music vary. "Less exploration" It has about as much as Fusion, so? "Shallower combat" Again, subjective. "No new powerups or abilities of any significance" Not every Metroid has those, either. You can't single out Other M. "A more interrupted flow" How so? Cutscenes? I don't think so. "And less immersion" Because why? I was fully immersed. Subjective, again. Your arguments are really just not good. It's all subjective, and you can't argue subjective things for a topic like this. To say "because I have this opinion about these subjective things" just doesn't work. Your arguments for Other M being "less Metroid" than Prime just don't work. Now, if Other M had added space ship combat, a Tekken-style boss fight at the end, or a time-traveling sentient taco, THEN you could say "this isn't Metroid!" But it didn't. It does not have "less Metroid" than any other Metroid game. Edited February 22, 2016 by Fire Emblem Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 this is the actual worst thread in fftf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrocknroll Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 not only is Zera saying random things about other m that are entirely subjective but he also said that skyward sword had too slow a text speed which is lol other m and fusion are my favorite Metroids and link's awakening and skyward sword are my favorite Zeldas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Well, you seem to like my topic an awful lot... Also, I think you may be confusing "obsessed" with "specialist". "Why are you so obsessed with this game called Metroid?" asked Agatha. "Because it's good," you replied, not seeming to object to the statement at all. When I note this, suddenly you deny this obsession. Also idk what you linked to but it claimed to be from someone called the Angry Video Game Nerd, who I can only assume is you. I don't intend to listen to your voice for seventeen minutes, I'm sorry to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) @Parrhesia - Agatha was joking/spamming this topic, so I applied an equally half-hearted repsonse. You seemed to take it as a serious statement, though. I'm not "obsessed" with Metroid, but I would consider myself a fan now that I've played most of them. The Wii U Virtual Console was paramount in getting the 2D ones. I find the design of the games fascinating, particularly how the series has evolved through Metroid, Super Metroid, Prime, and Other M. For the record, I am not the Angry Video Game Nerd. AVGN is a character played by James Rolfe, but you would know that if you googled it like the smart person you are. If I link something I made, I will inform you that it's mine. @Fire Emblem Fan - I get the strong impression that you didn't see my review of Metroid: Other M. ; ] It supports all the points I made here, so I recommend you read it. Or I could've just linked all these and called it a day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XSkRuPuthY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4mhp-8sOc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfS0254dRRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqFm1ei6mjo ...it's almost as if you can't just immediately dismiss all of Other M's flaws without thinking! "No new powerups or abilities of any significance" Not every Metroid has those, either. You can't single out Other M. Are you sure? Why don't you name one then? Edited February 22, 2016 by Zera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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