PMC [Gimmick Smash 4 Tournament] Drafting Done

[Jedi]

Edit: Sign ups have begun

Ruleset
3 Stock
8 Minutes
Best 2 of 3, except in Finals, best 3 out of 5
Double Elimination
No Customs
Starter Stages
● Battlefield
● Final Destination
● Smashville
● Dreamland 64
● Town & City
Counterpick Stages
● Duck Hunt
● Lylat Cruise
● Halberd**
● Omega Stages*
* Treated as Final Destination in banning phase. If Final Destination is banned, Omega Stages are banned and vice versa.**
** New to our ruleset

Character rotation must be done in a set, until you use all 3 characters you cannot repeat.

The way stage choice works is thus, either both players agree to a stage to start on, or do a method to decide who starts striking stages, my personal suggestion is Game & Watch Hammer, which is when both players pick Game & Watch and use his Side B move and whomever gets a higher number gets the first stage strike. This is also a good way to lag test.

The person who strikes first, strikes a stage from the Starter list, then the 2nd person strikes a stage and this continues until only one starter stage left which is the one you both play on

Whomever wins a match, can strike 2 stages and the person who lost may select out of the remaining legal stages. There is also something called Dave's Stupid rule, where you cannot counter-pick to a stage you've won on in the set
Character Changes - While you can change your characters during the set, you must tell your opponent you are switching and who to, as is proper in an official tournament. Unless you 2 agree to be secretive, I don't mind either way

There is also the Gentleman's agreement, in which both players can agree to play on a nonlegal stage, this also can override Dave's Stupid Rule

Mii Fighters are allowed, but they must be 1111 set, sorry folks.

- Matches will be recorded and sent to me, may as well add my NNID which is Jedisupersonic, in advance to prep for this. I will also be uploading them to my channel for a tourney playlist, I have a capture card so time doesn't matter.

- Please give me your NNID when you sign up, even if you did previously, just for consistency sake,

Player Info and Character Info List

Link
Sheik
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Pit
Marth
Ike
Dark Pit
Mewtwo
Cloud
Corrin

Pick Orders in the entire thing

PLAYER		NNID			BANS/OWNERSHIP RESTRICTIONS
Jedi		Jedisupersonic		Olimar, Villager, Yoshi
Carmine Sword	sternski		Olimar, Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt
General Horace	WAKKAWAKKAWAKKA		Sheik, MetaKnight, Zero Suit Samus
StardustRicon	MrStardustRicon		Olimar, Bowser Jr, Bowser
Dotty		RagamuffinDotty		None
Clarinets	Pick1e			Olimar, Charizard, Palutena
Comet		Comet7			Olimar, Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt
Aura Wolf	Octaivian		None
Tsunami		Tsunami922		Mii Swordfighter, Mii Brawler, Mii Gunner
Elieson		Elieson			Shiek, Villager, Olimar - Lacks DLC of: Roy, Ryu, Lucas, Cloud and Bayonetta
Gemma		DunamisKing		Link, Toon Link, and Greninja - Lacks DLC of: Lucas, Cloud, Bayo, Corrin 
Jotaro Kujo	TheTinyImp		Shulk, Wario, Bowser Jr 
Squid Lord Doof	PrfDoofus		Lucas, Fox, Falco 
IceSage		IceSage776		Bowser Jr, Olimar, Mii Swordfighter
Batter		lolinternets		Rosalina 
Euklyd		Euklyd			Little Mac, Olimar, Pit

Round 1 Draft Order

PLAYER		DRAFT ORDER / [SELECTION]
General Horace	Sonic 
Tsunami		Lucario
Carmine Sword	Greninja
IceSage		Jigglypuff
Dotty		Mii Gunner
Gemma		Ness
StardustRicon	Mario
Euklyd		Kirby
Elieson		Mii Brawler
Jedi		Palutena
Clarinets	Bowser Jr
Batter		Luigi
Aura Wolf	Villager
Jotaro Kujo	Olimar
Squid Lord Doof	Shulk
Comet		Zelda

Round 2 Picks

PLAYER		DRAFT ORDER / [SELECTION]
Squid Lord Doof	Diddy Kong
General Horace	Bayonetta
IceSage         Pac-Man
Elieson 	Duck Hunt
Comet		Bowser
Carmine Sword	Garondorf
Clarinets	Mii Swordfighter
Aura Wolf	Robin
Batter	        Dedede
Jedi		Megaman
Euklyd	        Ryu
Dotty		Doctor Mario
Gemma	        Roy
Tsunami 	Rosalina
Jotaro Kujo     Mr. Game & Watch
StardustRicon	Charizard

Round 3 Draft Order

PLAYER		DRAFT ORDER / [SELECTION]
Elieson         Falco
Tsunami 	Wii Fit Trainer
Euklyd 		Wario 
General Horace	Toon Link
Carmine Sword	DK
Jotaro Kujo	Lucina 
Jedi		ROB
Dotty 		Little Mac
Batter 		Pikachu
Squid Lord Doof	Metaknight
Aura Wolf 	Lucas
Comet 		Yoshi
Gemma 		Fox
Clarinets 	Captain Falcon
IceSage 	Peach
StardustRicon	Samus

Final teams

PLAYER		TEAMS
Aura Wolf	Villager	Robin		Lucas
Batter		Luigi		King Dedede	Pikachu
Carmine Sword	Greninja	Garondorf	Donkey Kong
Clarinets	Bowser Jr	Mii Sword.	Captain Falcon
Comet		Zelda		Bowser		Yoshi
Dotty		Mii Gunner	Doctor Mario	Little Mac
Elieson		Mii Brawler	Duck Hunt	Falco
Euklyd		Kirby		Ryu		Wario
Gemma		Ness		Roy		Fox
General Horace	Sonic 		Bayonetta	Toon Link
IceSage		Jigglypuff	Pac-Man		Peach
Jedi		Palutena	Megaman		ROB
Jotaro Kujo	Olimar		Mr. Game & W.	Lucina 
Squid Lord Doof	Shulk		Diddy Kong	Meta Knight
StardustRicon	Mario		Charizard	Samus
Tsunami		Lucario		Rosalina	Wii Fit Trainer

Bracket: http://sforestsmash.challonge.com/PMC

Round 1

StardustRicon vs Carmine Sword

Tsunami vs Aura Wolf

Edited April 18, 2016 by Jedi

[General Horace]

i like the idea of bans so everyone doesn't get stuck with someone they hate. Like everyone lists 3 characters (or something) they don't want (multiple people can pick the same character)

[Jedi]

i like the idea of bans so everyone doesn't get stuck with someone they hate. Like everyone lists 3 characters (or something) they don't want (multiple people can pick the same character)

I suppose, but I feel that goes against the idea of it.

But what do I KNOW.

[Batter the Beast]

I'd say 3 bans is a bit too much, I'd settle for 1 ban so that someone doesn't get that one dude that they really have no chance with. I don't like the idea of people not in the tourney picking characters since that kinda goes against the "screw your opponent" thing

[Elieson]

idk i feel like most ppl here have at least 10 ppl they don't know how to play as

[eclipse]

Gotta agree with Elie here - there roster is really huge, so banning three isn't going to make it so that someone has all of their competent characters.

I might join for giggles, and ban the guys I know how to play, just for shits and giggles.

[Carmine Sword]

I think just one ban pick is enough, 3 seems a bit high.

[euklyd]

at least 3 bans imo

on skype I suggested "idk let people ban half the cast" and I don't even think that would be too awful, although it would detract from the purpose of this tournament

I feel like 5 bans could work just fine tbh

if the idea is to saddle someone with a char they hate playing, why do bans at all? if not, then only allowing one ban is largely pointless

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I feel like for draft order, it should more be

julia: picks for fred

fred: picks for bob

bob: picks for rose

rose: picks for julia

rose: picks for bob

bob: picks for fred

fred: picks for julia

julia: picks for rose

so that you don't have the same person picking all the characters for any one participant

[Jedi]

at least 3 bans imo

on skype I suggested "idk let people ban half the cast" and I don't even think that would be too awful, although it would detract from the purpose of this tournament

I feel like 5 bans could work just fine tbh

if the idea is to saddle someone with a char they hate playing, why do bans at all? if not, then only allowing one ban is largely pointless

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I feel like for draft order, it should more be

julia: picks for fred

fred: picks for bob

bob: picks for rose

rose: picks for julia

rose: picks for bob

bob: picks for fred

fred: picks for julia

julia: picks for rose

so that you don't have the same person picking all the characters for any one participant

Could you setup a 16 player setup for that because I was thinking how that'd work.

[euklyd]

Could you setup a 16 player setup for that because I was thinking how that'd work.

have the first and last players ban for each other

[Jedi]

have the first and last players ban for each other

Well you said you wanted different people to pick for different people per round so...

[euklyd]

Well you said you wanted different people to pick for different people per round so...

[4/7/16, 10:06:59 PM] Euklydia: no I said I wanted it to not be the same person assigning every character

[4/7/16, 10:07:05 PM] Euklydia: for a single person

[4/7/16, 10:07:11 PM] Euklydia: I mean you could also do it like

[4/7/16, 10:07:15 PM] Euklydia: just a random mapping

[4/7/16, 10:07:27 PM] Coralreefa³: that sounds too complicated

[4/7/16, 10:07:30 PM] Coralreefa³: well

[4/7/16, 10:07:31 PM] Euklydia: no like

[4/7/16, 10:07:32 PM] Coralreefa³: not complicated

[4/7/16, 10:07:35 PM] Coralreefa³: too much /effort

[4/7/16, 10:07:49 PM] Coralreefa³: assuming you mean like

[4/7/16, 10:07:49 PM] Euklydia: generate 6 ordered lists of 1-16

[4/7/16, 10:07:56 PM] Euklydia: have the first list be the order of picks

[4/7/16, 10:08:03 PM] Euklydia: and the second be which person each picks for

[4/7/16, 10:08:15 PM] Euklydia: since it's not a draft, maintaining order doesn't matter

for the record and benefit of others etc

I actually like this plan the most

[Jedi]

[4/7/16, 10:06:59 PM] Euklydia: no I said I wanted it to not be the same person assigning every character

[4/7/16, 10:07:05 PM] Euklydia: for a single person

[4/7/16, 10:07:11 PM] Euklydia: I mean you could also do it like

[4/7/16, 10:07:15 PM] Euklydia: just a random mapping

[4/7/16, 10:07:27 PM] Coralreefa³: that sounds too complicated

[4/7/16, 10:07:30 PM] Coralreefa³: well

[4/7/16, 10:07:31 PM] Euklydia: no like

[4/7/16, 10:07:32 PM] Coralreefa³: not complicated

[4/7/16, 10:07:35 PM] Coralreefa³: too much /effort

[4/7/16, 10:07:49 PM] Coralreefa³: assuming you mean like

[4/7/16, 10:07:49 PM] Euklydia: generate 6 ordered lists of 1-16

[4/7/16, 10:07:56 PM] Euklydia: have the first list be the order of picks

[4/7/16, 10:08:03 PM] Euklydia: and the second be which person each picks for

[4/7/16, 10:08:15 PM] Euklydia: since it's not a draft, maintaining order doesn't matter

for the record and benefit of others etc

I actually like this plan the most

This actually sounds like a really solid idea, although I do wonder what everyone else thinks of it.

[euklyd]

I resent that the only options for bans are 1/player and nothing.

(edited for clarity when the poll changes)

Edited April 8, 2016 by Euklyd

[Jedi]

I resent that the only options for bans are 1/player and nothing.

(edited for clarity when the poll changes)

Sry I fixed it.

[Jedi]

Here we go! A bump and a sign up sheet.

Standard rules in this spoiler, sign ups and character list will be in the OP

Ruleset

3 Stock
8 Minutes
Best 2 of 3, except in Finals, best 3 out of 5
Double Elimination
No Customs

Starter Stages
● Battlefield
● Final Destination
● Smashville
● Dreamland 64
● Town & City
Counterpick Stages
● Duck Hunt
● Lylat Cruise
● Halberd**
● Omega Stages*
* Treated as Final Destination in banning phase. If Final Destination is banned, Omega Stages are banned and vice versa.**
** New to our ruleset

The way stage choice works is thus, either both players agree to a stage to start on, or do a method to decide who starts striking stages, my personal suggestion is Game & Watch Hammer, which is when both players pick Game & Watch and use his Side B move and whomever gets a higher number gets the first stage strike. This is also a good way to lag test.

The person who strikes first, strikes a stage from the Starter list, then the 2nd person strikes a stage and this continues until only one starter stage left which is the one you both play on

Whomever wins a match, can strike 2 stages and the person who lost may select out of the remaining legal stages. There is also something called Dave's Stupid rule, where you cannot counter-pick to a stage you've won on in the set

Character Changes - While you can change your characters during the set, you must tell your opponent you are switching and who to, as is proper in an official tournament. Unless you 2 agree to be secretive, I don't mind either way

There is also the Gentleman's agreement, in which both players can agree to play on a nonlegal stage, this also can override Dave's Stupid Rule

Mii Fighters are allowed, but they must be 1111 set, sorry folks.

- Matches will be recorded and sent to me, may as well add my NNID which is Jedisupersonic, in advance to prep for this. I will also be uploading them to my channel for a tourney playlist, I have a capture card so time doesn't matter.

- Please give me your NNID when you sign up, even if you did previously, just for consistency sake,

This will work like a Soyo Draft for characters, however you are allowed 3 personal bans (This doesn't remove the character from the pool), please when you sign up, tell me your 3 personal bans, Other people will draft your characters, this will change per round, there will be 3 rounds. No repeats, no double picks.

Also if you don't have all the DLC characters please tell me who you are missing and i'll list them as "unpickable" for you

Because we'll have 3 characters each, you are required to use all 3 of them before you can use one of them again in a set (so basically only in finals)

Edited April 9, 2016 by Jedi

[Carmine Sword]

I'm in.

NNID: sternski

Bans: Olimar, Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt

You do realize Jedi that everyone is going to ban Olimar.

Edited April 9, 2016 by Carmine Sword

[General Horace]

/in WAKKAWAKKAWAKKA

bans: Sheik, MetaKnight, and ZSS

EDIT; forgot that metaknight existed

Literally never played Gunner or Swordfighter but my Mii is hilarious so I don't even care if I get them

Uh, I have all the DLC character if you want us to say that too.

Edited April 9, 2016 by General Horace

[Jedi]

Uh, I have all the DLC character if you want us to say that too.

I can just assume if people don't say they lack a character, that they have em all. I think haha

[General Horace]

hey hang on a second, are we forced to swap characters after each match? Odds are people will get at least one person they're decent at and would just use them only, I think that you should only be allowed to use each character one game per set

[Jedi]

hey hang on a second, are we forced to swap characters after each match? Odds are people will get at least one person they're decent at and would just use them only, I think that you should only be allowed to use each character one game per set

OH RIGHT, I totally forgot to address this.

Yeah I was gonna put that in the rules whoops

[MrStardustRicon]

/in

My bans are Olimar, Bowser Jr, and Bowser.

NNID: MrStardustRicon

Fuck the whole koopa lineage, I have personal beef with them >.>

Edited April 9, 2016 by MrStardustRicon

[Dotty]

/in

NNID - RagamuffinDotty

No bans (if that's okay?)

[Jedi]

No bans (if that's okay?)

That is 100% ok.

[Clarinets]

/in, NNID: Pick1e

Ban Olimar, Charizard, and Palutena

Edited April 10, 2016 by Clarinets