GuiltyLove Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I beat all three routes on Hard Classic with random pairings. Are optimal pairings more important in Lunatic? They didn't seem that important to me in FE13 either because the kids, aside from Morgan and Lucina, were pretty useless in the main story without grinding (for me at least). For Apotheosis, I just used random pairings of parents and children with Limit Breaker and stacked rallies. Are optimal pairings mostly for overkill? Or is there more to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkun Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 If you want to do online battles (and the eventual apotheosis-esque DLC that's bound to happen at some point), yes. Otherwise, its just a way for the player to feel proud that they made the most out of their units. I personally try to find a middle ground between pairs I like and pairs that are optimal. Luckily this tends to overlap for me, like Setsuna x Niles, or Azura x Kaze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 The only times you really need to optimize is pvp or something I mean stat synergy is important in terms of pairup bonuses (so you probably don't wanna put like, idk, a sorc as a pairup to Xander) but you don't even need to use kids to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 In Conquest which is the only one i've played, majority of the good pairing is actually one that any sane optimizer won't touch It really isn't important since you can beat the game without optimal pairing, but there are some nifty tricks you can do by planning your pairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Not really? In fact, kids are hardly necessary at all. So unless you are specifically team building to troll online, or something, go nuts with whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) It depends. Live battles are 5v5, My castle stuff is 10v10 So optimal pairings really entirely depends on what you're doing and if you just want specific units for teams or the overall optimal setup As far as just in-game, they don't matter Edited April 13, 2016 by Tribute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Based Goomy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I went with whatever looked good during my Casual run. During my Hard run though, I started pairing up royals with their retainers and pairing up whatever I had left. Lunatic I'm starting to optimize. Outlaw MU + Anna, standards to Bow Knight and Adventurer classes, mirrors to Troubadour, granting MU and Kana access to the Strategist and Butler/Maid classes. Bow Knight MU, Adventurer Anna, and Strategist Kana. Optimization isn't always the way to go though, as long as you don't mind going out of your way a bit to win. i.e. Canon Shiro requires Ryoma and Kagero, but in Casual I went with Ryoma + Hana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 Optimizing for PvP makes sense! I'm not that interested in it though I'm kinda wondering how people end up switching classes so much with optimized characters to get skills because the seals are expensive and there are only so many levels you can get unless you use an eternal seal. I rarely changed classes except to switch Camilla to Wyvern Lord :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reki Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I just do what works well or at least its okay but not mix in Magic with Strength most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) For pvp, yes For CQ lunatic... kinda? It's more about sharing class sets than it is about kids, though some eugenics strats are straight up game breaking. For anything else lolnopenopenope. Edited April 13, 2016 by joshcja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Not really. Pvp is optimal pairings after grinding if you want to compete in that (my personal opinion, an uninteresting and naturally unbalanced) area of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 Not really. Pvp is optimal pairings after grinding if you want to compete in that (my personal opinion, an uninteresting and naturally unbalanced) area of the game. I haven't watched videos of PvP before. How is it unbalanced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sansa Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 No. "PVP" is not a thing because hackers fucking ruined it ages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) I haven't watched videos of PvP before. How is it unbalanced?Fire Emblem multiplayer has always been crap IMHO. It's by design, a secondary feature, and always will be in Fire Emblem. Lest you damage the single player campaign.It's moreso a casual way to play with close friends. Random online might exist, but any competitive builds will always rely on: A) A gimmick build that relies on stacking as many tanky advantages as possible on a single pair up. (That will have one glaring, but not immediately obvious weakness) B) Super aggressive builds that rely on one turn kills on the first player phase using skills that stack damage and advantages on said player phase (Line of Death, Aggressor, Certain Blow) and high movement with supporting replicate users. Focusing on PvP also encourages tearing down buildings in My Castle to spam statues to increase stats. No. "PVP" is not a thing because hackers fucking ruined it ages ago. PvP even without hackers was never a viable competitive system in the first place. Edited April 13, 2016 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 pvp is basically falco knight rushdown 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) FE gameplay at its core has always been trying to outsmart AI that don't really have too much sense of self-preservation (at most they won't aggro or attack you if you take no damage from them, but traditionally they go for characters they think they can kill or do the most damage to, even if they die) that also likely outnumber you. It's very offense-oriented for the most part, where given roughly even stats and skills, whoever reaches the enemy first basically wins. This works for PvAI FE because there's a shitton of enemies and enemy position creates the challenge and the fun. PvP is counterintuitive to that, since you both have the same number of units with likely similar statlines so it's basically just "whoever moves first/has warp orkos the shit out of the other team the end" I feel that for a FE multiplayer to work, they should go for co-op. Edited April 13, 2016 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyWarlock Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 pvp is basically falco knight rushdown 101 BTW: is it possible to add einherjars to the mix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkun Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) I'd play PvP with a friend, or say, a user on here that has a fair ruleset in hand. But yes, the game gives way too many aggressive options for regular PvP to be enjoyable. Warp/Witch was the nail in the coffin. If anyone has ever played or seen Elsword PvP (I don't blame you if you haven't) its pretty close to that in terms of the competitive aspect. 1. Use skill to get in your enemy's face before 5 secs of the match starts 2. Spam high damage, unbreakable skills until the opponent dies 3. NEXT! Edited April 13, 2016 by Jakkun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roflolxp54 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 lol, I wouldn't be surprised to see some players running whole teams of Einherjar Kana clones (though support bonuses are a thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyWarlock Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 lol, I wouldn't be surprised to see some players running whole teams of Einherjar Kana clones (though support bonuses are a thing). Or Einherjar Takumi once Point Blank comes out. You know, blame Takumi and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalanche Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Considering we don't have an equivalent to Apotheosis, Optimal Pairings are only really needed for PVP online matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkun Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 lol, I wouldn't be surprised to see some players running whole teams of Einherjar Kana clones (though support bonuses are a thing). inb4 somebody beats a Kana team with Candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Druid Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I prefer reading interesting support conversations. I rather have characters with chemistry then optimize boring pairings. Children characters aren't a necessity, so it doesn't really matter except online battles and lunatic mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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