BBM Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 2/10 with negative bias Yeah, it gets Wing Attack at lv. 21, and even then it kinda sucks. Doesn't even learn any HMs, so you must be a masochist if you want to bother with that asinine moveset of Supersonic, Leech Life and Astonish. This is my vote too, with the negative bias applied because fuck these things are everywhere. That makes Zubat's score 3.25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) Rules (adapted from Fire Emblem RTUs) - Votes need some explanation regarding their gameplay performance to be counted. If somebody else said what you want to already, quote them explicitly. You can troll a bit, but no CATERPIE HAS STRING SHOT 10/10. +/- ≤1 point extra regarding personality/appearance is encouraged, but no more. If you exercise your bias privileges, please do so explicitly. - Votes are made out of 10. You cannot rate a pokemon above 10 or below 0. - The rating topic will be updated whenever I feel like it, but I will try to allow at least 24 hours for each topic. They will generally be updated at around noon EST. - A pokemon being inferior relative to another pokemon does not explicitly reduce their rating. - We are rating ingame performance only, up until the Elite 4 is beaten the first time. - Evolution lines get condensed, so treat Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venasaur all as one pokemon. Weedle/Kakuna/Beedrill: 2.44 Ekans/Arbok: 2.57 Rattate/Raticate: 3.20 Zubat/Golbat: 3.25 Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff: 4.21 Vulpix/Ninetales: 4.38 Pidgey/Pidgeotto/Pidgeot: 5.00 Caterpie/Metapod/Butterfree: 5.21 Sandshrew/Sandslash: 5.86 Pikachu/Raichu: 5.94 Spearow/Fearow: 6.21 Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard: 7.80 Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venasaur: 8.25 Nidoran-F/Nidorina/Nidoqueen: 8.58 Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise: 9.36 Clefairy/Clefable: 9.50 Nidoran-M/Nidorino/Nidoking: 9.75 Edited July 2, 2012 by BigBangMeteor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Has vs Misty, some bulk, powders, and stuff. 5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) Good against Misty and a good Grass type, but a small move-pool and terrible speed hurts it in the long-run. 5.5/10 Edited July 2, 2012 by Frosty Fire Mage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Learns Sleep Powder later than Bellsprout and doesn't have Growth to use to set up against Misty. More special defence makes it more likely to survive Starmie's attacks however. Anyway, Vileplume has to wait until lv. 44 to get Petal Dance, it never gets Sludge Bomb during maingame, what it has is just Giga Drain which has 5 PP and Bullet Seed with poor base power. Only use as your last measure against Starmie, and even then there are others who can do it. 4/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Decent against Misty, absorb is a fun move. The powders are also helpful from time to time. 4.5/10 a decent pokemon, it's about in the middle of the pack I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frat_tastic Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Bite helps against Starmie until Zubat gets blown up by water pulse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frat_tastic Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Good against Misty and a good Grass type, but a small move-pool and terrible speed hurts it in the long-run. 5.5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Has vs Misty, some bulk, powders, and stuff. 5/10 Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Nincada is kind of a giant pain to raise, what with its terrible Attack, lack of moves and EXP group. Ninjask is lightning-fast, but it doesn't help much on the offensive front. Swords Dance is kinda cool, but it sucks up all of your valuable TMs to be any good. Shedinja is quite different. If the Pokemon you're fighting doesn't have a Ghost, Dark, Fire, Flying or Rock attack, or any kind of status/damaging weather, they're screwed. The end. Give it Toxic, and it downs a surprising amount of foes. Norman's Spinda and Linoone, it tanks Wattson's Magneton (watch out for Supersonic), can face half of Tate & Liza, every one of Juan's Pokemon (especially that Double Team Kingdra)... After you get the Heat Badge, you can give it Toxic for some actual damage! E4 can deal with it, though, which is kinda sad. Only Wallace's Gyarados, Wailord and Whiscash and Drake's Kingdra are vulnerable, and SE moves and Hail are commonplace. Ninjask gets 3/10, it's way too much work to get it to be good. Shedinja on the other hand, gets a 6/10, due to being useful at base level and trivializing certain Gym Leaders. This. Tallying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Rules (adapted from Fire Emblem RTUs) - Votes need some explanation regarding their gameplay performance to be counted. If somebody else said what you want to already, quote them explicitly. You can troll a bit, but no WURMPLE HAS STRING SHOT 10/10. +/- ≤1 point extra regarding personality/appearance is encouraged, but no more. If you exercise your bias privileges, please do so explicitly. - Votes are made out of 10. You cannot rate a pokemon above 10 or below 0. - The rating topic will be updated whenever I feel like it, but I will try to allow at least 24 hours for each topic. They will generally be updated at around 10 PM CST. - A pokemon being inferior relative to another pokemon does not explicitly reduce their rating. - We are rating ingame performance only, up until the Elite 4 is beaten the first time. - Evolution lines get condensed, so treat Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile all as one pokemon. - Pokemon that evolve through trades are accounted for. - A Pokemon's performance is to be judged by the game they are most prominent in (Example: Zangoose is to be judged by Pokemon Ruby standards.). Averages: Wurmple/Cascoon/Dustox: 1.67 Surskit/Masquerain: 2.88 Wurmple/Silcoon/Beautifly: 3.50 Nincada/Shedinja: 3.69 Poochyena/Mightyena: 3.95 Nincada/Ninjask: 4.13 Slakoth/Vigoroth/Slaking: 5.36 Lotad/Lombre/Ludicolo: 5.69 Wingull/Pelipper: 5.70 Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry: 6.36 Zigzagoon/Linoone: 6.43 Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam: 7.56 Shroomish/Breloom: 8.27 Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile: 8.36 Taillow/Swellow: 8.38 Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir: 8.39 Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken: 9.00 Mudkip/Marshstomp/Swampert: 9.77 Ratings for Nincada's evolutions were all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Good move-pool and good overall stats. 7.5/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Uproar access at base is pretty damn good. Too bad it's kinda slow and takes so long to fully evolve. High HP and decent offensive stats when it does become Exploud however, but it draws its massive coverage from TMs, really. It's kinda like Hoenn's Clefable except it never gets too good no matter how much you overlevel it, and it takes time to rise from its midgame mediocrity. Still decent though. 6/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVinceKnight Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hmmm... what to say... It's pretty decent for a Normal type, considering it does have bad times against Roxanne (unless you catch it after) and Brawly. After that, it's just okay. Not the best, but still good. 6.5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Decent. 6.5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I don't play for turns Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Can't speak for Shedinja, but I did raise a Ninjask. Fastest pokemon ever/10 Nincada is good for physical tanking I guess, because that defense is high for early one, but it lacks offensive ability. Once it evolves into Ninjask, however, it did a 180. Speed boost+ 160 base = always goes first. The problem with that is it can't kill enemies quickly. 90 base strength is actually kind of good in my opinion, considering Nidoking's is only 2 higher, but his moves are all so bad that it won't work to well, with no stab moves with good power. It shouldn't be taught special attacking moves because of that stat being so low. Incredibly frail too, as a 61/45/50, so it can't take a decent shot. During that run, when I made it up to the elite four, Ninjask was just chip damage then death and other guys did all of the work. If you manage to hit 5 times with fury cutter, he'll kill yay 3/10 Speed but no movepool to cultivate a good natural strength and so frail his offense wouldn't be good enough even if he had a good movepool. Edit: Gosh darn it, I was close too. Edited July 3, 2012 by I don't play for turns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 It has good stats and a decent movepool. Evolution levels are kind of high, and speed can be lacking. Uproar is great as a move, even if that sound effect is annoying. Did I mention that Whismur is annoying as fuck? And kind of ugly too... 6/10 - 1 bias 5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frat_tastic Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not very good. Takes a while to get to Exploud, and both Whismur and Loudred are both pretty underwhelming stat-wise. Gets decent coverage through TMs, which really is its only saving grace IMO. 3.5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Ratings for Nincada's evolutions were all over the place. Yeah... Amazing, the differences of opinions in that one were. Personally, I don't think either one's that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Uproar access at base is pretty damn good. Too bad it's kinda slow and takes so long to fully evolve. High HP and decent offensive stats when it does become Exploud however, but it draws its massive coverage from TMs, really. It's kinda like Hoenn's Clefable except it never gets too good no matter how much you overlevel it, and it takes time to rise from its midgame mediocrity. Still decent though. 6/10 This. Tallying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Rules (adapted from Fire Emblem RTUs) - Votes need some explanation regarding their gameplay performance to be counted. If somebody else said what you want to already, quote them explicitly. You can troll a bit, but no WURMPLE HAS STRING SHOT 10/10. +/- ≤1 point extra regarding personality/appearance is encouraged, but no more. If you exercise your bias privileges, please do so explicitly. - Votes are made out of 10. You cannot rate a pokemon above 10 or below 0. - The rating topic will be updated whenever I feel like it, but I will try to allow at least 24 hours for each topic. They will generally be updated at around 10 PM CST. - A pokemon being inferior relative to another pokemon does not explicitly reduce their rating. - We are rating ingame performance only, up until the Elite 4 is beaten the first time. - Evolution lines get condensed, so treat Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile all as one pokemon. - Pokemon that evolve through trades are accounted for. - A Pokemon's performance is to be judged by the game they are most prominent in (Example: Zangoose is to be judged by Pokemon Ruby standards.). Averages: Wurmple/Cascoon/Dustox: 1.67 Surskit/Masquerain: 2.88 Wurmple/Silcoon/Beautifly: 3.50 Nincada/Shedinja: 3.69 Poochyena/Mightyena: 3.95 Nincada/Ninjask: 4.13 Slakoth/Vigoroth/Slaking: 5.36 Lotad/Lombre/Ludicolo: 5.69 Wingull/Pelipper: 5.70 Whismur/Loudred/Exploud: 5.81 Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry: 6.36 Zigzagoon/Linoone: 6.43 Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam: 7.56 Shroomish/Breloom: 8.27 Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile: 8.36 Taillow/Swellow: 8.38 Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir: 8.39 Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken: 9.00 Mudkip/Marshstomp/Swampert: 9.77 Hariyama is such a bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 If you didn't pick up Torchic, Makuhita will be your first fighting type until Shroomish evolves or until you pick up Machop after three badges. He's a pretty respectable fighting type. He's crazy bulky, and is pretty powerful to boot. Of course, he's very slow. But you can't have it all. His movepool is narrow, but between a Fighting move, Earthquake and Rock Tomb, you've pretty much got it all. Bulk Up can round out the set, or you can go with Fake Out for some flinching shenanigans. It's movepool is that of a generic fighting type, but Hariyama tries to differentiate itself with its massive 144/60/60 defenses. Base 120 attack is almost as high as Brelooms, and just as high as Blazikens. It evolves at Lv.24, just as Shroomish does and before Machop even makes it to the Machoke stage. So that's pretty neat. If you get one with Thick Fat it can serve itself well against Flannery, which is another niche Hariyama has over it's fellow fighters. Heck, it even gets Surf if you need a Pokemon to use it, for whatever reason (Fighting-type monotype run, perhaps) 6/10 - It's a niche Pokemon when compared to its Fighting brethren. What it lacks it speed it makes up for in bulk. Unfortunately, this is in-game where speed matters more than bulk, and base 50 speed is way too slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVinceKnight Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 If you didn't pick up Torchic, Makuhita will be your first fighting type until Shroomish evolves or until you pick up Machop after three badges. He's a pretty respectable fighting type. He's crazy bulky, and is pretty powerful to boot. Of course, he's very slow. But you can't have it all. His movepool is narrow, but between a Fighting move, Earthquake and Rock Tomb, you've pretty much got it all. Bulk Up can round out the set, or you can go with Fake Out for some flinching shenanigans. It's movepool is that of a generic fighting type, but Hariyama tries to differentiate itself with its massive 144/60/60 defenses. Base 120 attack is almost as high as Brelooms, and just as high as Blazikens. It evolves at Lv.24, just as Shroomish does and before Machop even makes it to the Machoke stage. So that's pretty neat. If you get one with Thick Fat it can serve itself well against Flannery, which is another niche Hariyama has over it's fellow fighters. Heck, it even gets Surf if you need a Pokemon to use it, for whatever reason (Fighting-type monotype run, perhaps) 6/10 - It's a niche Pokemon when compared to its Fighting brethren. What it lacks it speed it makes up for in bulk. Unfortunately, this is in-game where speed matters more than bulk, and base 50 speed is way too slow. This will be my vote as well. Lucina summed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Haha so late. Oddish gets a 4.92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Rules (adapted from Fire Emblem RTUs) - Votes need some explanation regarding their gameplay performance to be counted. If somebody else said what you want to already, quote them explicitly. You can troll a bit, but no CATERPIE HAS STRING SHOT 10/10. +/- ≤1 point extra regarding personality/appearance is encouraged, but no more. If you exercise your bias privileges, please do so explicitly. - Votes are made out of 10. You cannot rate a pokemon above 10 or below 0. - The rating topic will be updated whenever I feel like it, but I will try to allow at least 24 hours for each topic. They will generally be updated at around noon EST. - A pokemon being inferior relative to another pokemon does not explicitly reduce their rating. - We are rating ingame performance only, up until the Elite 4 is beaten the first time. - Evolution lines get condensed, so treat Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venasaur all as one pokemon. Weedle/Kakuna/Beedrill: 2.44 Ekans/Arbok: 2.57 Rattate/Raticate: 3.20 Zubat/Golbat: 3.25 Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff: 4.21 Vulpix/Ninetales: 4.38 Oddish/Gloom/Vileplume: 4.92 Pidgey/Pidgeotto/Pidgeot: 5.00 Caterpie/Metapod/Butterfree: 5.21 Sandshrew/Sandslash: 5.86 Pikachu/Raichu: 5.94 Spearow/Fearow: 6.21 Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard: 7.80 Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venasaur: 8.25 Nidoran-F/Nidorina/Nidoqueen: 8.58 Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise: 9.36 Clefairy/Clefable: 9.50 Nidoran-M/Nidorino/Nidoking: 9.75 Paras is trash. It's Atk is pretty good, but not only does it get no good moves to complement that stat, it introduces a new meaning to the word slow, and has 2 quad weaknesses and cruddy defenses to boot. It is the only pokemon in the game with Spore, but it's so slow that it makes very little difference. 2/10 for Spore. Edited July 4, 2012 by BigBangMeteor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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