Alastor15243 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 So I just wanted to get the general opinion on this forum about reactions to Flora's death. I personally found it ridiculous for a number of reasons: 1: Seriously, she raises her hands and magically lights herself on fire with no visible tools? Since when did the narrative ever suggest that was something the ice tribe members could do? I mean it kinda vaguely hints at something similar if you talk to Felicia with the avatar, saying that ice magic works by drawing heat from the outside world into yourself, but other than that... 2: I simply hadn't gotten to know Flora enough to care about her death or, more crucially, to believe that she would decide to kill herself in such a dramatic, over-the-top way while acting so calm. Seriously, if nothing else, why the hell would she do it IN FRONT OF HER OWN SISTER? 3: Kaze had just died a few chapters ago, this was way too soon for another random character to die. 4: It just... felt... cheap. For a combination of all of the above reasons, it felt like it was coldly calculated to bring out a generic emotion. A lot of people I've seen agree with me, but I wanted to try and gauge the general opinion on this matter: what did YOU feel about Flora's suicide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Fates kills a lot of characters, but it isn't very good at making them emotionally wounding. The only ones I recall being affected by were Azura's and Elise's on Birthright, and even then those are pretty eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland Chaos Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I personally felt nothing. I'm in the same boat as the OP, where I simply did not know enough about the character to care, due to not playing Conquest beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hli Tshiab Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 The suicide was stupid and unnecessary. It's a written for convenience to add another thing to make you hate Nohr/Garon, when the death could have been avoided entirely. It's very weird that an Ice-Type user would use a Fire-Type magic so strong that another Ice-Type user cannot defeat it. It's also not sad unless you've played Nohr/Revelation and have developed a liking to Flora, else it's just another death of a character you barely knew. Note: You can prevent Kaze's death, which was unnecessary and stupid for the easier version of the game, if you raised his support to A. Overall, Birthright just has that convenient writing that pushes you along to make you happy that you're doing the right thing by killing characters off. This event is stupid and could have been handled way better, but the writers just want to kill things off instead of dealing with writing anything good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 The suicide was stupid and unnecessary. It's a written for convenience to add another thing to make you hate Nohr/Garon, when the death could have been avoided entirely. It's very weird that an Ice-Type user would use a Fire-Type magic so strong that another Ice-Type user cannot defeat it. It's also not sad unless you've played Nohr/Revelation and have developed a liking to Flora, else it's just another death of a character you barely knew. Note: You can prevent Kaze's death, which was unnecessary and stupid for the easier version of the game, if you raised his support to A. Overall, Birthright just has that convenient writing that pushes you along to make you happy that you're doing the right thing by killing characters off. This event is stupid and could have been handled way better, but the writers just want to kill things off instead of dealing with writing anything good. It's also hilarious considering that she sets herself on fire, but then goes on a long-winded speech telling them not to mourn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCProductions Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I played Conquest first and really liked Fiora, so I would've felt generally saddened by it... If the internet wasn't a plot spoiling asshole. I saw it coming from a mile away, because some asshole posted a photo of the event without marking it as a spoiler. So because of that, I felt nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CureRainbow Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I didn't exactly know what to feel when Flora died. On one hand, it was sad since she basically killed herself in front of her loved ones, especially Felicia. What's even worse is if you're playing as a female avatar, since Felicia just recently joined your army only to see her sister die soon after. On the other hand, she was pretty bitchy at the beginning of that chapter. Yes, Corrin thought it was normal, but take into account what happened after that and you could tell it was suspicious. How she committed suicide was really stupid like how everyone else said. Why did a girl who has ice powers use fire magic to burn herself? Yes, freezing herself wouldn't kill her as easily, but fire? Plus, why did she have to commit suicide there? If she had to face Garon, she at least has the support of Corrin's army. Why couldn't she have supported them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warchiefwilliams Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 All three routes attempt to up the stakes by killing off various characters, but most of them fail to have the required impact necessary to make the player care. Even without internet spoils, I found Flora's death to be simply nonsensical, and that is coming from someone who really likes her character. It would be diffident if she insisted on fighting to the bitter end and the avatar had to put her down. That would give me more reason to be emotionaly invested as my avatar had to kill someone he really quite liked, and who liked him back. Actually, all the deaths could be improved (other than Elise) or at least better written. But as has already been stated, IS seemed to think that you up the stakes by killing people like they are characters in a George RR Martin book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 How she committed suicide was really stupid like how everyone else said. Why did a girl who has ice powers use fire magic to burn herself? Yes, freezing herself wouldn't kill her as easily, but fire? Plus, why did she have to commit suicide there? If she had to face Garon, she at least has the support of Corrin's army. Why couldn't she have supported them? Yeah, that was weird too, now that I think about it: "I should've done this the second Garon threatened me. Maybe I could have taken him down with me..." ...So why not tag along with the people who would unknowingly give you the perfect opportunity to do exactly that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Sung to the tune of Let it Go The snow glows white on the hamlet tonight Not a traitor to be seen A kingdom of immolation And it looks like I'm the queen. The wind is howling like this obv'ous plan inside Could not be subtle, if I only tried! Don't let them on, don't let them see A blue unit you always have to be Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know Well, now they know! Let it go, let it go Can't hold them back anymore Let it go, let it go Turn red and kill some more! I don't care That Corr'n's going to whine Let the fight rage on, It's cold, but I feel just fine! It's funny how this Birthright Makes everything seem dumb And the prince who once controlled me Can't see where I'm coming from! It's time to see what I can do To turn coat and then kill thee I'm right, you're wrong, you're dumb, and me, I'm free! Let it go, let it go I am one with the wind and sky Let it go, let it go Can't wait to see Corr'n cry! Here I stand And here I'll stay Guess it's since I'm the boss ... My village furies 'gainst Hoshido and then dies Corr'n I said I liked you, but those were just lies And then King Garon made me on his side I'm never leaving here, I wish I had just died! Let it go, let it go And I'll die for Garon's ire Let it go, let it go That perfect girl's on fire! Here I burn In the light of me Let the flames burn on, The heat will be the end of me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneNoire Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 It was a dumb plothole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Love Flora, but I didn't feel much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDestr0yer61 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I couldn't feel sad about it. I knew nothing about Flora before meeting her and she killed herself for what seems like no reason. She betrayed Corrin but doesn't try to make up for it. Is really hard for me to sympathize with her. @rezzy that was amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khid Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I absolutely love Flora, but yeah, it was pretty dumb. I actually felt bad for Felicia more than I did for Flora because Felicia had to watch her sister bbq herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I couldn't feel sad about it. I knew nothing about Flora before meeting her and she killed herself for what seems like no reason. She betrayed Corrin but doesn't try to make up for it. Is really hard for me to sympathize with her. @rezzy that was amazing Thank you very much. I'm feeling very Let it Go! today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abvora Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 It was dumb. I couldn't stop laughing because she was on fire but still giving a big speech about duty and sacrifice and regret and love and whatnot. People do not talk when they are on fire. They scream. Flora not doing so--as well as setting herself on fire out of the blue--basically ruined it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyainou Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 My reaction was "holyshitwhatthefuckflorajustsetherselfonFIRE". I was completely bewildered but also felt nothing. Fates' didn't give any time to care about characters before killing them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopulk Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 It was dumb. I couldn't stop laughing because she was on fire but still giving a big speech about duty and sacrifice and regret and love and whatnot. People do not talk when they are on fire. They scream. Flora not doing so--as well as setting herself on fire out of the blue--basically ruined it for me. Yeah. What they should have done was make her set herself on fire and then instantly regret it, screaming and crying. She could have tried to be saved, and the others could have also tried to help too, but could have failed. That would have been more realistic and sadder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 It was dumb. I couldn't stop laughing because she was on fire but still giving a big speech about duty and sacrifice and regret and love and whatnot. People do not talk when they are on fire. They scream. Flora not doing so--as well as setting herself on fire out of the blue--basically ruined it for me. The first time I saw it, I was playing the Japanese version so it took me a long time to read through her speech. Ever burning, ever calm. There were two main faults in the execution (heh) of the scene. 1. Death by fire is an extremely horrible way to die, and if Flora was determined to end her life, she should have used a knife. Also, as mentioned above, you aren't going to be giving a speech while burning to death. 2. The game doesn't do a good job at selling that Flora's tribe is in serious danger. The Hoshidans are already deep in Nohr on their way to kill Garon. If Flora's failure meant the death of her people, she might as well place her bets on Kamui rather than kill herself for some unneeded penance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 The first time I saw it, I was playing the Japanese version so it took me a long time to read through her speech. Ever burning, ever calm. There were two main faults in the execution (heh) of the scene. 1. Death by fire is an extremely horrible way to die, and if Flora was determined to end her life, she should have used a knife. Also, as mentioned above, you aren't going to be giving a speech while burning to death. 2. The game doesn't do a good job at selling that Flora's tribe is in serious danger. The Hoshidans are already deep in Nohr on their way to kill Garon. If Flora's failure meant the death of her people, she might as well place her bets on Kamui rather than kill herself for some unneeded penance. Flora saw that the story of Birthright was horrible. Death was the only way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roflolxp54 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Didn't really feel much nowadays since EVERY route has at least 2 character deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augestein Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Nothing. For starters, the game doesn't even give the player enough time to really feel anything for Flora. Sure, you can feel bad for Felicia, but outside of that, not much. The scene is confusing, and it seems really stupid that she feels so strongly about her position that she'll kill herself rather than help you. Even if the ice tribe was going to be taken out, it really doesn't make sense for her to simply... Join you. All of these deaths in Fates made me feel that the writer(s) do not understand how to properly have someone die and provoke emotions from the audience. Primarily because they feel random more than they feel well written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 FE4 affected me more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Karnage Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 that's why I ship Flora and Sigurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augestein Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 that's why I ship Flora and Sigurd The silly DLC gates make this perfectly possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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