Kil0 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 The weapon triangle was introduced in FE4, and I am curious if others will think it will stay in SoV. It looks like since people don't need weapons to attack it could be left out all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 In the battle preview of Alm vs a soldier, I can't see any arrows that usually denote WTA/WTD. So there could well be no weapon triangle. I think I'd prefer it that way. It would make the scarcity of axe users (player and enemy) a non-issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiToastExplosion Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Baldrick said: In the battle preview of Alm vs a soldier, I can't see any arrows that usually denote WTA/WTD. So there could well be no weapon triangle. I think I'd prefer it that way. It would make the scarcity of axe users (player and enemy) a non-issue. Yeah, there has to be a triangle for a weapon triangle to work, lol They shoehorned one in to SD and NM, but I'd honestly love to see a game without the triangle. The more I hear about Echoes the more excited I get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I hope the lack of a weapon triangle doesn't denote a lack of overall care in actual upgrading the game; the last thing this community needs is another Shadow Dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) No, I predict that there will be some form of the triangle. Since Awakening, newcomers have associated the weapon triangle with the Fire Emblem series. They even made a new weapon triangle for the mobile game. IS will most likely be consistent about this. We haven't seen the entire FE Echoes interface yet (both screens on the 3DS). Edited January 20, 2017 by Leif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiToastExplosion Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Just now, The DanMan said: I hope the lack of a weapon triangle doesn't denote a lack of overall care in actual upgrading the game; the last thing this community needs is another Shadow Dragon. Shadow Dragon was beautiful for what it is. It's really faithful for what it's worth, and I for one LOVE that about SD. I don't think people appreciate SD as they feel like it was a step backwards because it didn't have things they particularly wanted or gotten used to. But! It was a great game if you like classic, simple FE - which I do. I realize it's not popular overall, but I think it's a stretch so say it's bad by any means. You'd think that a SD is exactly what this community needs, after all the Kris stuff. Simplicity is often overlooked and under appreciated, but it's the reason a lot of the arcade games are just as fun to play as your most intensive JRPG's despite being from the 80's - beautiful simplicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ChibiToastExplosion said: Shadow Dragon was beautiful for what it is. It's really faithful for what it's worth, and I for one LOVE that about SD. Look at my favorite game in the series. I agree with you. But seeing how it got trashed and flamed, and how we have more fans than ever with just as much of an expectations baseline, alongside Gaiden's total clunkiness as a game, makes me hope this is more than "Remaster + simple story touch-up". Edited January 20, 2017 by The DanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiToastExplosion Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Just now, The DanMan said: Look at my favorite game in the series. I agree with you. But seeing how it got trashed and flamed, and how we have more fans than ever with just as much of an expectations baseline, alongside Gaiden's total clunkiness as a game, makes me hope this more than "Remaster + simple story touch-up". Haha, it's late for me, so I missed that ._. I think fixing the menus and interface and speeding up the action fixes like 90% of my issues with Gaiden. I do hope they overhaul the maps and a few supports would be nice, but honestly, Gaiden was simple and I loved it for being the simple different FE. I hope it stays that way, and a new generation will find a way to poo-poo it I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'd be very surprised if there was no triangle at all. I'm not sure if it will be a simple one, or complex like Fates, but the weapon triangle is such a part of FE that I don't think they'd abandon it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rezzy said: I'd be very surprised if there was no triangle at all. I'm not sure if it will be a simple one, or complex like Fates, but the weapon triangle is such a part of FE that I don't think they'd abandon it. Just like weapon durability, eh? That said, I could see a bow>magic>melee>bow triangle. If bows are going to be 1-3/1-5 range like in Gaiden, they'll need some kind of drawback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Baldrick said: Just like weapon durability, eh? That said, I could see a bow>magic>melee>bow triangle. If bows are going to be 1-3/1-5 range like in Gaiden, they'll need some kind of drawback. I was surprised they took durability, but the triangle is a fun part of the game, for lack of a better word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) There's no way they would remove the weapon triangle, it would be like if Sonic Team would remove the speed element from most of their Sonic games! ... Wait a minute... Edited January 20, 2017 by Nym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodperson707 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I kinda see the triangle as more being on a smaller scale and a tactical element while still being a long lasting "iconic" one. While durability is on a larger scale and is a strategic element that can easily define the whole way the game is setup and played and is very much tied to how weapons and resouces are hnadled. Different scales mean different results when you change them and how they get changed. So if you want to change how weapons are handled durability is some thing that will be changed and feel quite changed or removed outright. On how it appears to me I don't really feel like the weapon triangle has really changed much while changes to durability and what it's tied to can vary quite a bit on how I play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tullus Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Even though the weapon triangle is important as heck, I'd like to see it removed entirely for this installment only. However, considering that there may be an additional difficulty level, like how they did with shadow dragon, the weapon triangle may be important for a hard early game, since Thieves in the original used axes and villagers and alm used swords. Also, will there be the simple, "No weapon in inventory = stat to stat battle"? I have high hopes for this game, as Mr. Lowenthall (however you spell his name) said, "Everything that made Gaiden unique is here. It's classic Fire Emblem gameplay, with a twist." If they keep out the weapon triangle, it'd be like m night shyamalan was developing it to newer players. (What a twist!) Edited January 20, 2017 by Lord Tullus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 36 minutes ago, Nym said: There's no way they would remove the weapon triangle, it would be like if Sonic Team would remove the speed element from most of their Sonic games! ... Wait a minute... You seem to be stuck in pre-2008, because the only recent Sonic game that was slow wasn't even made by Sonic Team lol 1 minute ago, Lord Tullus said: Even though the weapon triangle is important as heck, I'd like to see it removed entirely for this installment only. However, considering that there may be an additional difficulty level, like how they did with shadow dragon, the weapon triangle may be important for a hard early game, since Thieves in the original used axes and villagers and alm used swords. Also, will there be the simple, "No weapon in inventory = stat to stat battle"? I have high hopes for this game, as Mr. Lowenthall (however you spell his name) said, "Everything that made Gaiden unique is here. It's classic Fire Emblem gameplay, with a twist." If they keep out the weapon triangle, it'd be like m night shyamalan was developing it to newer players. (What a twist!) Lowenthal, and well Gaiden didn't originally have a Triangle so we can't be sure, but I don't think they showed Casting from HP to be returning because I didn't see Ceciia lose any HP when she fought the Draco-Zombie. So I don't think its safe to assume absolutely everything from Gaiden will stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tullus Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Jedi said: So I don't think its safe to assume absolutely everything from Gaiden will stay. I see. What a twist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayvee94 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 How about switch axes with bows? With a few tweaks to balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsherCrane Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 8 hours ago, Lord Tullus said: I see. What a twist! You seem to have expected absolutely every gameplay from Gaiden to return... what exactly did you think the twist was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Baldrick said: If bows are going to be 1-3/1-5 range like in Gaiden, they'll need some kind of drawback. I'm 90% sure they have an accuracy fall-off the further you go out; in MK404's LP, his archers were horrendous when it came to sniping from 4 or 5 tiles away, but more accurate closer up. And in general, it's not like they did Fates-tier damage in that game. Anyways, just watched a thoughts/analysis vid from someone who knows his Japanese, and he pointed out that in the clip with Alm fighting the Soldier, the Soldier simply has "lance" equipped on the combat forecast. That's what would happen in the original Gaiden if you didn't have any weapon equipped (which was a good deal of the time)- you'd just have a "sword" or "lance" working off of your base strength. Also in that shot, nothing was shown indicating a weapon triangle (no arrows, no symbols)-- I really do think it's gone for this installment. Edited January 20, 2017 by The DanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) I... don't believe they lose accuracy in Gaiden from longer ranges (if they do, I've never noticed it), but this was one of my ideas for how it may change in this remake (as well as having less accuracy in shooting a bow in melee range, which sounds like a risky proposition) As for the weapon triangle, they're mad enough to remake Gaiden, they might be mad enough to leave axes out and not have it. Edited January 20, 2017 by Tryhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radetzky120 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Tryhard said: As for the weapon triangle, they're mad enough to remake Gaiden, they might be mad enough to leave axes out and not have it. On the one hand, that would be a shame. On the other hand, they DID readd the axe users missing in Mystery of the Emblem and then some for New Mystery, so there's hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jedi said: You seem to be stuck in pre-2008, because the only recent Sonic game that was slow wasn't even made by Sonic Team lol I know that, it was just to show how weird the decision can be. But I should have said ''some Sonic games'' instead of ''most'', that was my bad on this one. However, I do remember seeing a low of slow elements in Sonic Boom and that game was made in 2014. Edited January 20, 2017 by Nym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodperson707 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Uh yeah I think that was the game not made by sonic team that was being referred to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinar87 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Tbh honest if I wanted to play fates or awakening I'd do just that. I'd say let gaiden be gaiden and all the quirky things that come with that (including third tiers omfg so hyped!!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurabolt Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Echoes will be modernized with Awakening/Fates mechanics. I think we can assume there will be a Weapon Triangle. There may be a Magic Triangle as well on that note. Bows in Gaiden were 1-5. If you attack from more than 2 spaces away, there is no 2nd attack. am most interested in seeing if this is retained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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