Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread

[Armagon]

19 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

And then I hear of PC elitists getting things like 90 fps or higher. What does that even do? If there are people can't tell between 30 and 60, how high can the human perception of frames per second go?

120 is the next big thing they are trying to aim for (like 8K on the resolution-side) and I'm like "but why".

19 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Hate to be superficial, but true. Things do become more normalized the longer you stare at them, but it doesn't change the fact that some things are objectively not very good looking. The same can be said for sounds, bad music and bad VAs can become tolerated, but not actually become good.

I wouldn't say they objectivel look bad, I'm sure it has it's fans. But considering the PC version has a mod to replace the character portraits with nicest-looking ones, I'd say this is not an unpopular opinion. Not that mods necessarily point towards appearent quality but you get what I mean.

14 minutes ago, Benice said:

I mean, one guy made the whole game, so I wouldn't expect RF4 quality of presentation.

I mean yes but Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin was made by two people and that game looks clean.

Rune Factory's presentation isn't that great either ngl. But in games like that, character portraits are pretty important since that is what will always come to mind when you think of a character. The models in Rune Factory 4 are kinda bad but that's not really what you're paying attention to.

Hell, you can apply this to 3D Fire Emblem. The models aren't exactly good-looking but people let it slide because the character portraits is what appeals to them.

12 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Turned out there is a crowd that absolutely hates it.

It.... could be because the Etrian Odyssey artist has appearently drawn stuff that is borderline illegal. It's common for Japanese artists to draw hentai (because for as much as people make fun of it, drawing porn does take a certain level of skill and can help teach you anatomy) but I hear this guy..... let's just say he crosses a line that he really shouldn't and having that association hurts the Etrian Odyssey artstyle for some folks.

Separate the art from the artist and all but some people just can't do that especially in regards to something like this.

2 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

My brother started origami king...

He is laughing his ass off haha

Hope he enjoys!

Admittedly, the beginning is pretty slow and imo, the worst part of the game. So it might be an endurance test here.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Armagon

[Codename Shrimp]

2 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Admittedly, the beginning is pretty slow and imo, the worst part of the game. So it might be an endurance test here.

he is already enjoying the early game haha!

I might start it soon myself. Maybe. Gotta finish Conquest Luna first.

[Armagon]

5 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

he is already enjoying the early game haha!

Nice nice. If he's enjoying it this early on, then he's in for a treat.

[Interdimensional Observer]

2 minutes ago, Armagon said:

It.... could be because the Etrian Odyssey artist has appearently drawn stuff that is borderline illegal. It's common for Japanese artists to draw hentai (because for as much as people make fun of it, drawing porn does take a certain level of skill and can help teach you anatomy) but I hear this guy..... let's just say he crosses a line that he really shouldn't and having that association hurts the Etrian Odyssey artstyle for some folks.

Separate the art from the artist and all but some people just can't do that.

That did come up, but only later in the discussion, after I had already tried some persuasion that utterly failed. I didn't actually know of the objectionable behavior of the artist until it came up in said discussion. Now, I wish that the guy no longer has anything to do with the franchise, I don't want him contaminating my entertainment. Maybe that explains why Atlus still hasn't given us an update on this yet.:

It's been two over years since this trailer Atlus, where's the successor to EO that you promised? Okay. Two years ain't long, and Covid has gotten in the way. Looking at this now, the silhouettes are quite possibly Himukai's style... I hope you found someone to replace him Atlus.😬

[Armagon]

2 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Now, I wish that the guy no longer has anything to do with the franchise, I don't want him contaminating my entertainment.

And to make it worse, since you brought up FEH earlier, someone pointed out that all the characters he designed for FEH, minus Lucina, were all characters that are like, 12 at the oldest. And I was like "that's gonna be a yikes from me".

EO artstyle looks neat but it's really hard for me to look at it the same way now knowing this info.

It's not even like the Dragon Quest composer, a guy who's really shitty and bigoted to the point that he's a Holocaust denier......but he's also 90+ so people are just like "ok grandpa, whatever you say".

[Interdimensional Observer]

Just now, Armagon said:

It's not even like the Dragon Quest composer, a guy who's really shitty and bigoted to the point that he's a Holocaust denier......but he's also 90+ so people are just like "ok grandpa, whatever you say".

You say speak of this Wagner to me only after I spent much of the past evening and today playing a demo featuring his classic tunes. 😑

[Sooks]

6 minutes ago, Armagon said:

someone pointed out that all the characters he designed for FEH, minus Lucina, were all characters that are like, 12 at the oldest. And I was like "that's gonna be a yikes from me".

...yikes indeed....

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30 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

he is already enjoying the early game haha!

I might start it soon myself. Maybe. Gotta finish Conquest Luna first.

Good to hear even more positive reactions to Origami King. I've heard mostly negative reception so far.

11 minutes ago, Armagon said:

And to make it worse, since you brought up FEH earlier, someone pointed out that all the characters he designed for FEH, minus Lucina, were all characters that are like, 12 at the oldest. And I was like "that's gonna be a yikes from me".

[Armagon]

1 minute ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

You say speak of this Wagner to me only after I spent much of the past evening and today playing a demo featuring his classic tunes. 😑

Apologies. Did you not know though? It was pretty common knowledge. Hell, the reason Dragon Quest usually gets MIDI tracks in the West instead of orchestrated and why DQ OSTs rarely come to the West is because he's xenophobic. Dragon Quest 11S having an orchestrated option took a lot of convincing I imagine.

But like I said, people just kinda let it slide because he's old as fuck. Square Enix themselves is probably just waiting until he kicks the bucket to replace him. If he were a lot younger but with the same views, I'd imagine things would be a lot different.

[Armagon]

1 minute ago, twilitfalchion said:

I've heard mostly negative reception so far.

Honestly, I feel like most of this comes from people who believe Paper Mario must be an RPG.

Like, if you go into Origami King wanting it to be like 64/TTYD, you will not get that. Better to see it for what it is and not for what it isn't.

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2 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Honestly, I feel like most of this comes from people who believe Paper Mario must be an RPG.

Like, if you go into Origami King wanting it to be like 64/TTYD, you will not get that. Better to see it for what it is and not for what it isn't.

I've never played the originals, so I don't really have any expectations of what classic Paper Mario is like, tbh.

Sticker Star was my first, but it looks like the series has come quite a ways from that.

Ngl, the way Origami King's been described has caught my interest. I'll be keeping an eye out for sales.

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So...apparently Lucina is a child now? Flipping heck.

Why? Just why? xD

[Armagon]

8 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said:

Sticker Star was my first

Same. 12 year-old me liked it but I went back to it recently and......no. haha.

 

[Interdimensional Observer]

19 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Apologies. Did you not know though? It was pretty common knowledge.

I did not. And no need to apologize, it is better to know than not. If this affects my purchasing of the DQ franchise, so be it, it isn't politically correct, it's is plain old objectively correct. In this day and age, you have to be ready to drop a liked person in a snap if things come out against them that are true or likely true. Sighing "Why are like this/did that?" is understandable, but standing by them after you know is wrong.

 

19 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Square Enix themselves is probably just waiting until he kicks the bucket to replace him.

It will be easier to stomach DQ purchases when he's in the grave and no longer collecting money off it. Although to cite Wagner again, it could be tricky.

Although in this guy's favor, he isn't like this other revulsive German composer who composed a ballet about a little boy who falls ill, and then fever dreams himself in a candy land. The revolt that happens in the candy land is actually an allegory of post-WWI Socialism being vanquished by a righteous right (and although this is known, the American Ballet Theatre still sees it fit to perform it). I don't think DQ bears any such strains of the composer's wrongful views.

And, there is the case of Lovecraft, everyone universally agrees the dude was as morally hideous as his creations. But at the same time, the horror he invented is infectiously popular (to the point I referenced a game featuring Lovecraftian horror yesterday, and my current avi's ultimate enemy is none other than Lovecraft's second-most famous monstrosity).

Edited December 2, 2020 by Interdimensional Observer

[Lightcosmo]

3 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said:

So...apparently Lucina is a child now? Flipping heck.

Why? Just why? xD

Cause Marth is in his alt. Thats...  it, really.

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So apparently multiple FEH artists have drawn loli hentai.

Makes me glad I never got into FEH.

I'd hate to even be involved with something like that.

Edited December 2, 2020 by twilitfalchion

[Codename Shrimp]

You will find that Hentai is a stepping stone for many artists

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[Interdimensional Observer]

8 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said:

 

Your "calm, let's return to good things" go to tune? I didn't intend to drag the topic in this direction, my mistake.

How about one this to make up for it?:

 

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Just now, Interdimensional Observer said:

our "calm, let's return to good things" go to tune? I didn't intend to drag the topic in this direction, my mistake.

Oh, no. Not bothering me in the slightest. I just happened to find it and wanted to share. 👍

[Armagon]

26 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

And, there is the case of Lovecraft, everyone universally agrees the dude was as morally hideous as his creations. But at the same time, the horror he invented is infectiously popular (to the point I referenced a game featuring Lovecraftian horror yesterday, and my current avi's ultimate enemy is none other than Lovecraft's second-most famous monstrosity).

Yeah, this is a case of separating the art from the artist. Which is easier done in a case like Lovecraft because not only is Lovecraftian horror it's own genre but the guy's been dead for like a century. Separating the art from the artist becomes easier when the artist has been dead for a good while.

19 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said:

So apparently multiple FEH artists have drawn loli hentai.

>Multiple

17 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

You will find that Hentai is a stepping stone for many artists

Well yeah, like I said, drawing porn actually takes a certain amount of skill and it's unironically helpful for learning anatomy.

But there's a line you shouldn't cross.

[Interdimensional Observer]

1 minute ago, Armagon said:

>Multiple

When you hire many freelance artists of varying levels of fame and obscurity, this seems like it'd be bound to happen. You did put every Blade artist under a microscope, right? But, a single artist is very obviously not the solution either given the aforementioned EO. 

 

4 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Well yeah, like I said, drawing porn actually takes a certain amount of skill and it's unironically helpful for learning anatomy.

But there's a line you shouldn't cross.

*Looks at the Sistine Chapel.* I don't think it's fair to say that all the people who criticized Michelangelo's artistry were uncultured philistines and ultra-conservatives.

Michelangelo, from what I read of him, seems to have been a little bit of a prick. "I must work in marble, I dislike wood, and I hate metal. Oh, and it must be flat, or three-dimensional with the commission designed to be looked at from only one particular direction. I won't do it if you don't agree with my terms and conditions; and for Saint Peter's sake, let me take my time!"

And yet, he is very fortunate that he stuck primarily to adult nudes. 

[Codename Shrimp]

Ok, Forrest's paralogue is more annoying than expected, especially since i can't use the Entrap and enemies just rush you...

21 minutes ago, Armagon said:

But there's a line you shouldn't cross.

they didn't go and hurt anybody did they?

Yeah it's disgusting and stuff, but as long as they stick to drawings i don't really care.

[Sooks]

Oh hey I got to level 5 fishing, so apparently I can pick a promotion profession for a nice boost.

[Lightcosmo]

50 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said:

So apparently multiple FEH artists have drawn loli hentai.

Makes me glad I never got into FEH.

I'd hate to even be involved with something like that.

They have some bad, yeah, but they have some gems in there as well.